Consulmaker II: the Pyrrhic War - Game over.

[Magua]

...

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If UT wants to waive his veto, he'll have to be more explicit.

[Untrod Tripod]

waive: veto
wave: CES

?

I wave my veto? I'm going to let SensFan swing?

[SensFan]

*dies*

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

SensFan, Roman Senator, has been executed by scotmany12!

It is now Night 6. Choices are due in 72 hours.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

When you wake up, you find that Magua is missing. Upon arriving at the

Senator

's house, a frightented slave points out the newly appointed

Dictator The Fonz

as the perpetrator. This discovery sadly came too late for the once great city of Rome since

The Fonz

had already used his new-found authority to allow his and

Shanba

's troops to take a commanding position in the Forum. Tarentum had won the war and Rome's power was crushed forever more.

The Pyrrhic Army (Jack, SpyreX, dramonic, xRECKONERx, Shanba and The Fonz) win!

[scotmany12]

Meh. Good game fonz.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Set-up:

GF
2-Shot Rolecop
4 Goons

vs.

1 Limited Cop (couldn't cop consecutive nights)
1 Bodyguard
1 Back-up Bodyguard
1 Consulmaker
9 Townies

Special Mechanic - Pyrrhic Victory

Pyrrhic Victory. Although Pyrrhus is an adept commander, he can't seem to win without taking casualties: the goon sent to make the kill on Nights 2 and 5 dies.

[Parama]

welp. gg Fonz and Shanba, you were both the bottom of my scumlist out of the remaining players besides our confirmed town consulmaker so.
hell the entire scumteam did a damn good job at evading my scumdar completely. Except Reck.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Graveyard qt.

[Parama]

Ok reading that graveyard HEY FEYSAL YOU WERE LEGTIMATELY SCUMMY, GET OVER IT.
Also I should stop replacing into games... I don't think I've ever won a game I replaced into.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Nah, he wasn't. It's his playstyle.

[Parama]

OK then, counter-argument: The way I was playing in this game was just my playstyle, so I wasn't scummy.

(P.S. - I really don't usually play like this, but if Feysal gets that excuse, so do I.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

No, because he really does play like that.

[SensFan]

(6:48:14 PM) Sens: I be dead.
(6:50:10 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: Want to guess who the scum are?
(6:50:24 PM) Sens: Are? Not is?
(6:50:33 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: I'd link you to the graveyard qt, but I don't think the game will last much longer
(6:50:36 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: are, yes
(6:50:57 PM) Sens: 2 Phyrric left, or 1 Phyrric and an SK?
(6:51:05 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: 2 Pyrrhic left
(6:51:20 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: it's a very simple set-up
(6:51:27 PM) Sens: Fonz and Shanba, if I had to guess.

[Magua]

I was thinking that scotmany was the vig. Coincided with who died compared to who he suspected.

Happy that I could take Katsuki's slot and keep it from being lynched. Sad that I didn't push for Spyrex lynch D5, or to keep SensFan from being lynched D6 -- spending so much time defending Jack only to be cut at the knees about that had me second guessing the rest of my reads too much.

[Shanba]

I don't feel entirely deserving of this victory.

GG Fonz though. That hidden mechanic wow... wow indeed.

[Shanba]

I gotta say, the bussing between reck and dram is some of the worst I've seen in a mafia game. So transparent.

[Nathanael]

omg. gg scum.
I played horribly. and scum played well. and rest of town played bad too. we deserved to lose.
I think I don't like the consulmaker mechanic too much, tbh. It makes for too many stagnation-periods etc.
While I think it was an experiment worth making, I will probably not play a similar game again. nothing against you, CES, your modding was fine.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The next game will definitely have tighter deadlines.

[Feysal]

Ok reading that graveyard HEY FEYSAL YOU WERE LEGITIMATELY SCUMMY, GET OVER IT.

Okay, I've had it.

If you had made a single legitimate argument why I was scummy, I could just accept this and move on. But you never did, not even one.

What you did in this game was make up a bunch of poorly reasoned reads in your fourth post, and then you stuck to them like glue. You never considered any game events. You never considered flips. You never considered anything at all. You just kept mindlessly tunneling on your scum reads, never stopping to think that you could be wrong. Case in point, you had decided that my slot was scum before I even replaced in, and after that you kept repeatedly calling me scum, never naming a single reason. Is this what you call scumhunting?

Scumbuddies never call each other obvtown if nobody else is calling either of them obvtown.
There goes half your case.

Yeah right. In my experience scum do it any time they think they can get away with it. And for the record, there were others calling chesskid3 town. Primate, SpyreX, inHimshallibe.

Hey Feysal! inHim and Primate both flipped town! There goes your argument... AGAIN!

Did you even realize how stupid you made yourself look here? You first said that scum don't call each other obvtown unless someone else is doing it. I mentioned three people who were doing it. Then you said that two of them were town... meaning that there was someone other than scum calling you town. You did not refute my argument. You refuted your own. And to think that you criticized Nathanael for fail logic.

Feysal's case was crap. Nathanael was an antimiller. That's all there is to say on that matter.

I pointed out very clearly how you were buddying and defending scum, how you dodged questions and refused to respond to arguments except to call people scum, and how you did not do any scumhunting after your fourth post. There was nothing remotely townish about your play. The fact that you were town does not excuse that in any way. Your play this game thoroughly

sucked

.

Possibly the stupidest thing you said all game was calling Nathanael an antimiller. He was both a better player and townier than you, and even after his flip you refused to accept that you were wrong, and kept insisting he was scum. That is

retarded

.

Having seen all this, you leave me but one option.

I HEREBY BRAND YOU, PARAMA, A VILLAGE IDIOT.

Your town play is horrible, and you are a pathetic mockery of a scumhunter. Of six scum in the game, you only identified one. Random.org could have done better. You were the single worst town player in the entire game, without a single redeeming point, and having you criticize others after your dreadful performance is insufferably arrogant.

I sincerely hope that I will never have to play with you again. If such a tragedy were to occur, expect to be scorned as a village idiot comparable to Furcolow.

(6:48:14 PM) Sens: I be dead.
(6:50:10 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: Want to guess who the scum are?
(6:50:24 PM) Sens: Are? Not is?
(6:50:33 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: I'd link you to the graveyard qt, but I don't think the game will last much longer
(6:50:36 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: are, yes
(6:50:57 PM) Sens: 2 Phyrric left, or 1 Phyrric and an SK?
(6:51:05 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: 2 Pyrrhic left
(6:51:20 PM) CogitoErgoMafia: it's a very simple set-up
(6:51:27 PM) Sens: Fonz and Shanba, if I had to guess.

As for you, if you think that being right after you're dead redeems you, think again. I seem to recall that when Nathanael suspected The Fonz, you called him scum for it. Fact is, you should have done something when you were alive, to avert your own execution and to have scum executed instead. You did nothing. Even at the moment of your death, after being asked to share your reads, you did not. After Parama, I consider your play the second worst in the town, and what angers me most of all was that it was at least partly deliberate.

Besides, I'm immune to being executed today. I might as well make use of that by doing stuff that I believe work, but that I'd never get away with in a normal game.

As for pressuring me, feel free. I have nothing against it, and it won't affect my decision-making for today. You should know that I've already decided to play D1 in a way that I'm fully aware I would never get away with if I wasn't a Consul, though. I've been given immunity from lynching today, and I plan to fully abuse it to help me make a decision on who I want executed. To quote Tom from Survivor: "Tonight we make our move. Tomorrow we make our apologies."

The reason people don't get away with playing like that is because it is anti-town, and it obviously did not work, it just made you look scummy. You were a stubborn idiot, and I hold you personally responsible for two mislynches: Nathanael and yourself. I'd say that the single worst mistake ribwich ever made was making you Consul.

[SensFan]

blah blah blah i was totally not scummy at all blah blah blah sens and parama were so scummy they cost town the game blah blah blah

[Feysal]

Laugh it up. Bottom line is, you never had a correct scum read when you were Consul, and you refused to listen to anyone who did. That is not good town play. And I never heard a single argument from you either why I was scummy.

[SensFan]

Correct. The one time I executed someone, it was a mislynch. How dare I have an incorrect read.

[Feysal]

That is not the problem. The problem is that you refused to listen to anyone. I gave a detailed explanation why the case on Nathanael was wrong, and for all my effort you called my case stupid and threatened to execute me. Several people said they did not agree with the Nathanael execution, and you ignored them. It is your stubbornness that I criticize you for, and the fact that you did absolutely nothing to avoid being mislynched yourself.

You want to know what I thought about you? I thought your play was so bad that I wondered if you were losing on purpose. Your wiki contains cases where you have deliberately cheated and disrupted games, so I knew you had it in you.