Execution Mafia GAMEOVER!

[Final Fires]

Umbrage, what was your opinion on SO's post with his reads on everybody? Do you think his arguments are valid? What's your overall read on SO?

Tragedy, please don't dodge this question again. What did you mean when you said you were distancing from umbrage?

[Final Fires]

*My question to tragedy was supposed to be: What did you mean when you said umbrage was distancing from you?

[Amrun]

Umbrage:

Way to not address the relavant parts of my post or Exe's. This has been your pattern of posting lately:

1) Accuse someone.

2) Accusee defends.

3) Respond only to the weakest part of the defense while ignoring all valid points/questions.

That is scummy.

I like how you accuse me of OMGUS when I didn't list you in my scumreads on THE SAME POST.

In your next post, explain in detail how SOKs arguments make sense and why you think he is town.

[Tragedy]

@FF: Allow me to correct the statement. He was distancing from town while being more concerned of myself ever since this game started, attacking/luring me out to obviously be executed. Sorry.

[StrungOver]

@Exe do you just ignore everything people say and :rolleyes or :lolz: at it?

[Umbrage]

I read SO as town who thinks he's always right. I'm not backing up his flawed arguments. SO doesn't concern me right now, I'm concerned over the sudden bandwagon that has formed on him.

[Amrun]

So his arguments are flawed, but he's town. Why do you think he's town?

[Final Fires]

I read SO as town who thinks he's always right. I'm not backing up his flawed arguments. SO doesn't concern me right now, I'm concerned over the sudden bandwagon that has formed on him.

Why do you think he's town, when all you have to judge him by are his flawed arguments?

[Final Fires]

Aww, Am ninja'd it.

[Amrun]

Final Fires, we must share a brain.

I actually wish we weren't thinking so similarly on this because it does kind of look funny.

Oh well. Haha.

[Tragedy]

I can really see Umbrage's gut says SO is scum, then he finds him town.

I can only think of a sole reason; He hasn't even been accused by SO.

I bet Umbrage goes nuts on every single person who votes against him.

[Amrun]

Tragedy: I'm inclined to agree with you on this.

However, I still need to see some more real content from you.

[Exe]

Tee hee. Typical Exe. Completely ignore everything I say and attribute ridiculous statements to me. Show me where I said SO was town. Because I actually said I had a gut read of scum on him.

So you think that SO is scum, but you also think that a wagon on him will bring out the scum? LOL nice contradiction.

1) Accuse someone.

2) Accusee defends.

3) Respond only to the weakest part of the defense while ignoring all valid points/questions.

That is scummy.

QFT.
There is actually a name for this. It's called Strawmanning.

@Exe do you just ignore everything people say and :rolleyes or :lolz: at it?

Do you actually

read

the comments I put before/after the roll eyes? Because I didn't ignore anything, and your fucking misrep is getting on my nerves.


This game is ridiculous. If Umbrage and SO are town, I will seriously kill myself just for having to deal with this shit.

[charter]

My daily "Let's kill Umbrage!" post.

[Umbrage]

I can really see Umbrage's gut says SO is scum, then he finds him town.

I can only think of a sole reason; He hasn't even been accused by SO.

I bet Umbrage goes nuts on every single person who votes against him.

Really? Prove it. Until you do, you're just wasting everyone's time with pointless speculation and slander. Oh wait, you've been doing that all game.

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And I will not respond to every single argument made against me, mainly because there is no point in responding. If you want to interpret every single thing I do as scummy, I can't stop you. Have fun with that.

[Amrun]

How about very basic questions? Will you refuse to respond to those too?

Please tell us why you think StrungOver is town.

[Final Fires]

Well, two scum found on Day one; Umbrage and SO. I'm down for an execution for either of them. I'm sure everyone can figure out why Umbrage is scum at this point, but I'll just point out some of the contradictions:

Really? Prove it. Until you do, you're just wasting everyone's time with pointless speculation and slander.

But just a few posts before he has pointless speculation and slander:

I can see a few potential scum teams in this mess:

Amrun/Final Fires/Exe: This one actually makes a lot of sense. They distance each other, but never say they want another one dead. Exe acts out, Amrun reels him in, they distract the town and Amrun gets townie points. Final Fires proposes one strategy early in the game, Exe says he's wrong and proposes something else. Either way, one of them is a town leader. The more I think about it, the more likely this seems.

Shattered Viewpoint/vezokpiraka/Exe: Notice how SV and vezok jump on the SO wagon, riding on the coattails of the bigger players. Also note how Exe never found the other two scummy in this game. SO listed all three of them on his scum list, there's some more lovely motivation to jump on his wagon.

Tragedy/Shattered Viewpoint/Final Fires: It's likely that the scum have different activity levels. These three players have been more or less ignoring each other all game. FF reads SV as slightly scum to null all game, but won't really say much about him or give a definite read. SV has nothing on FF.

This was how his reads on SO have changed throughout the game:

CooLDoG is being replaced, isn't he? And StrungOver is on V/LA. I do NOT like killing players that are absent. I want to see them make some more content first. Same goes for Tragedy.

Although ironically, he has suggested that Tragedy is scum because of her activity level. See quote above.

Actually, Vezok saying SO is a good kill proves my point, a wagon on an absent player will draw out the scum. Vezok just became more scummy.

First chainsaw defense of SO.

What did I tell you? An SO wagon will draw scum.

Like Exe pointed out too, if he had a scummy read on someone, how would a bandwagon on them draw out scum? Plus, most people weren't on board until after SO started posting, making his earlier argument of SO drawing scum invalid.

Show me where I said SO was town. Because I actually said I had a gut read of scum on him.

So he thought SO was scum. But was also trying to stop an SO lynch. But then he also thought I was scum for proposing SO be executed. Anyone else see a problem with this?

I read SO as town who thinks he's always right. I'm not backing up his flawed arguments. SO doesn't concern me right now, I'm concerned over the sudden bandwagon that has formed on him.

The only read he has on SO is his flawed arguments. What could possibly lead him to the assumption that SO's town if that's all that he's had to read? His gut. But just a few posts up she said she had a scum gut read on him. Whoops! That's why he refused to answer mine and Am's quesiton; he knew he would get caught in a lie. If he had any good or pro-town reason for doing so, he would've pointed them out instead of essentially saying that he couldn't answer the question.

The fact that he busted out a chainsaw defense (his long post where he says me, Am, Shattered, and Vez are scummy for suspecting SO) for SO really concerned me too. He had a strong town read on me the entire game, and then suddenly when I put suspicion on SO he put me as one of his scummiest reads. He did this with Am too. I asked him those questions on 525 to try to get a read on what motivated the chainsaw defense, but the fact that he dodged them shows that there was no pro-town reason; answering them would just reveal that. Townies can use chainsaw defences, but only when they feel confident the player they're defending is town. Umbrage said that he had a 'gut feeling' that SO was scum. That's not the kind of person you chainsaw defend, unless they're you're scum partner.

Is anyone in opposition to executing Umbrage or SO tonight? If no one's in opposition, we can start to talk about the NK.

[Exe]

a wagon on an absent player will draw out the scum.

What did I tell you? An SO wagon will draw scum.

The contradiction here alone should be enough to kill Umbrage based on.

And I will not respond to every single argument made against me, mainly because there is no point in responding.

There you are, Umbrage has decided he's going to cry in a corner and pout. There's no point in letting this anti-town behavior continue, so let's end this nonsense.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Hey guys, I had a busy weekend. It's way too late/early for me to get caught up now, but I will do so tomorrow.

[vezokpiraka]

I won't object to a Umbrage or SO kill.

[Twistedspoon]

QFT.
There is actually a name for this. It's called Strawmanning.

aww, you beat me to it; I was going to mention the straw man :s

Is anyone in opposition to executing Umbrage or SO tonight? If no one's in opposition, we can start to talk about the NK.

Not particularly, but I don't want to let these two distract us from other possible scum
Nightkill? I think we've already decided not to have one and rely on executions. Exe had a good argument for this.

[mallowgeno]

Great news! Setael has replaced CooLDog! Thank you sooo much!

[Twistedspoon]

^yeah, I was just reading the replacement queue when I saw.
It's nice to have all the players again
welcome Setael

[mallowgeno]

Prodded Ant

[Setael]

Hello! I'll post as soon as I've read the thread.