Mini 1121: Nexusville Mafia.

[Empking]

honestly, I'm not sure if I believe it. He keeps saying that there's no scum motivation, but people have pointed out scum motivation several times. In fact, if there were no scum motivation for claiming mason, that in itself would be a scum motivation for claiming mason, because no town would expect scum to do it (ergo wifom). And more importantly, he just isn't fitting into what I've seen of town Emp.

No. If you claim mason as scum then you're only going to delay your lynch (Unless you think Mongoose fake breadcrumb'd hisson partner). There is no scum motive to delay your lynch ergo there is no scum motive to claim mason.ma

[Nexus]

Votecount the Twelfth:

Empking (6): implosion, InflatablePie, KingTwelveSixteen, nameless, Darth Yoshi, mb53
nameless (3): Zdenek, Empking, Setael
ICEninja (1): WeaponsofMassConstruction
implosion (1): ICEninja
Saint (1): neko2086

Not voting: Saint

Deadline is in 24 hours. With thirteen alive, it takes seven to lynch. Empking is at L-1

[KingTwelveSixteen]

@Empking: I've already given a scum motivation to delay their own lynch like, three times.

[Empking]

Quote it. And just quote it. (No. "I HATE this attitude where I have to quote myself. This barbaric feeling tears out my very soul. Feel sorry for me my townies. Feel sorry for me.")

[Empking]

Nor do I want an excerpt from War and Peace or any of your other scum tactics to look town.

[DarthYoshi]

My apologies for not posting yesterday, everyone. I hoped to have time, and RL intervened.

Re: Nameless’s wagon: Emp’s case on Nameless is meh imo—I didn’t like the “I would vote Saint if he had a bandwagon” post either, but I don’t get how, say, his wall on the town v Saint is scum trying to mislead. Set’s case in #423 seems like a paradox to me—Nameless has been overly careful, but still reckless enough to drop a tell like the ill-advised coinflip post? I would prefer a Nameless lynch to avoid a no lynch, obviously, but I think there are better lynch candidates out there.

@ Neko: I’d re-vote Implosion or Saint if the town needs a different lynch candidate. Saint may be the more likely alternate lynch candidate given the bandwagon that was once on him. I will say that his recent behavior of promising content for the past 2-3 days and not delivering is not what I have seen previously from TownSaint, especially so close to a deadline, and I think that not having a vote out 24 hours before deadline is inexcusable. His recent behavior does NOT look like his town game.

Beyond that, I’m not sure—the only other player with a vote on them atm is Ice, which seems out of the question, with only one vote and that vote being pretty outdated from a generally inactive player.

So, here’s where I’m at--I would support the Nameless bandwagon if it were the only way to avoid a no-lynch, but that isn't the case atm. If Emp's mason claim is true, tbh I'm not a big fan of a Nameless lynch, and would prefer an Implosion or Saint lynch. I don't entirely believe Emp's claim, but on the chance that he is actually telling the truth, SOMEONE needs to take the plunge and add to an alternate bandwagon, so I'll push my former vote, as it had a bit of a bandwagon earlier in the day. I'll check the thread later and can re-cast my vote if I need to in order to avoid a no-lynch.

Unvote. Vote: Implosion.

On an unrelated note--everyone, check out Mb53's ISO. His most recent three posts, in order, are:

I don't have much to add but...
myself wrote:
I think this fight between Empking and king is going nowhere.

I didn't have time to re-read the thread today, but I promise I will tomorrow with everyone's thoughts on nameless/ICE in mind.

Sorry, I was in a rush -_-

I think that empking could easily claim mason whether he is scum or town. And if he really is mason, its his/his partner's choice on whether or not to claim buddy. Really his claim doesn't change my opinion on him.

Obviously we aren't going to lynch saint today, so unvote, vote:empking

I think this fight between Empking and king is going nowhere.

Also, tonight or tomorrow I will re-read the thread with your view on ice and nameless setael

Mb, lot has happened--and you don't have much to add with any of your contributions? Why are you trying to coast by rather than help scumhunt?

@Mod: I realized I added a vote in the middle of my post again. Sorry!

[Empking]

but I don’t get how, say, his wall on the town v Saint is scum trying to mislead.

It tries to make Saint look scummier than he is with his ignorance on why people are voting him) by presenting all the arguments against Saint in an easy to see form despit the large numbers of town members (and its the scum's tactic of choice) that are almost deliberately (or actually deliberately in Nameless and King's case) obscuring their point.

[Empking]

Ignore my Neko case. King is the scum on Saint's lynch. The vote count I looked at isn't representative.

[mb53]

Mb, lot has happened--and you don't have much to add with any of your contributions? Why are you trying to coast by rather than help scumhunt?

Actually, I don't think that that much has happened. Its mostly been back and forth between king and emp, and then some accusations of other players that I said I will look into today, ASAP.

Also, I still think saint is scum.

[KingTwelveSixteen]

*sigh* The reason is an attempt to get some mislynches off before the scum dies. I've given this reason multiple times to counter your claim that there is no scum motivation to claim Mason. Your "town not giving full reasons" as a reason Nameless is scummy is horribly hypocritical. Also, please at least re-read your post once for obvious grammer/spelling/parenthesis in the middle that makes no sense problems.

[Empking]

*sigh*

Didn't I say no "woe is me" stuff.

The reason is an attempt to get some mislynches off before the scum dies. I've given this reason multiple times to counter your claim that there is no scum motivation to claim Mason.

Town is more accurate before scum kills off the accurate players!!!

Your "town not giving full reasons" as a reason Nameless is scummy is horribly hypocritical. .

When did I say that?

[Setael]

WeaponsofMassConstruction has been prodded.

@Empking he said he would replace out if he hadn't caught up, but he hasn't said explicitly that he wants replacing. We shall see what he says. If he does replace out, I may extend the deadline.

@Mod - Does your post that we have 24 hours mean you heard from weapons and he isn't replacing out?

[KingTwelveSixteen]

...

Your "town not giving full reasons" as a reason Nameless is scummy is horribly hypocritical. .

When did I say that?

but I don’t get how, say, his wall on the town v Saint is scum trying to mislead.

It tries to make Saint look scummier than he is with his ignorance on why people are voting him) by presenting all the arguments against Saint in an easy to see form

despit the large numbers of town members (and its the scum's tactic of choice) that are almost deliberately (or actually deliberately in Nameless and King's case) obscuring their point.

And who freaking cares about town accuracy? It has absolutely nothing to do with scum desperately attempting to gain a mislynch or two before they die. Like, literally irrelevant to the discussion.

[Empking]

...

Your "town not giving full reasons" as a reason Nameless is scummy is horribly hypocritical. .

When did I say that?

but I don’t get how, say, his wall on the town v Saint is scum trying to mislead.

It tries to make Saint look scummier than he is with his ignorance on why people are voting him) by presenting all the arguments against Saint in an easy to see form

despit the large numbers of town members (and its the scum's tactic of choice) that are almost deliberately (or actually deliberately in Nameless and King's case) obscuring their point.

So nowhere then?

And who freaking cares about town accuracy? It has absolutely nothing to do with scum desperately attempting to gain a mislynch or two before they die. Like, literally irrelevant to the discussion.

This is so obvious scum it hurts.

"Town's accuracy is irrelevant to whether or not town will correctly lynch or not."

You realize that when WOMC's replacement comes you'll be caught out, right?

[KingTwelveSixteen]

This is so obvious scum it hurts.

"Town's accuracy is irrelevant to whether or not town will correctly lynch or not."

You realize that when WOMC's replacement comes you'll be caught out, right?

Misrep, I sad it had nothing to do with scum motivation for

attempting

to get a mislynch. You are ignoring that there is even a

possibility

for scum to do so by saying that it would be unlikely to succeed. Although since its seems pretty obvious that neither I nor Nameless will be lynched today it seems like you are correct in your assessment that it will fail. Also, what does WOMC being replaced have to do with me being "caught out"?

[Nexus]

WeaponsofMassConstruction has been prodded.

@Empking he said he would replace out if he hadn't caught up, but he hasn't said explicitly that he wants replacing. We shall see what he says. If he does replace out, I may extend the deadline.

@Mod - Does your post that we have 24 hours mean you heard from weapons and he isn't replacing out?

No it means he has another 24-36 hours to respond to his prod before he's replaced.

However, if he hasn't responded before I wake up tomorrow, I will replace him, and extend the day.

[Empking]

This is so obvious scum it hurts.

"Town's accuracy is irrelevant to whether or not town will correctly lynch or not."

You realize that when WOMC's replacement comes you'll be caught out, right?

Misrep, I sad it had nothing to do with scum motivation for

attempting

to get a mislynch. You are ignoring that there is even a

possibility

for scum to do so by saying that it would be unlikely to succeed.

This is just nonsensical. It doesn't matter if we hit scum day 1 or day 2. The scum doesn't benefit if they manage to mislynch day one if they guarantee getting lynched Day 2.

Although since its seems pretty obvious that neither I nor Nameless will be lynched today it seems like you are correct in your assessment that it will fail. Also, what does WOMC being replaced have to do with me being "caught out"?

A replacement will read through this thread without a blinder on. You're obv scum. Put 2 and 2 together and you get four.

[Setael]

We have a good chance the deadline will be extended, so I'm voting for the person I'm most sure is scum regardless of wagon status.

mb is clearly reading the thread, lurking in plain sight and flying under the radar. He's promised to look things over and post some content several times, and then just doesn't do it. Now he's saying nothing has happened and again promises to post asap. He's tunneled on Saint and managed to not say much else (especially lately). I think he's scum, sitting on the easy wagon and avoiding saying anything that might look bad later.

unvote, vote: mb53

[mb53]

I just can't really find anything recent to comment on, its almost all been king and emp fighting.

Also, about half way through with re-read.

[KingTwelveSixteen]

This is just nonsensical. It doesn't matter if we hit scum day 1 or day 2. The scum doesn't benefit if they manage to mislynch day one if they guarantee getting lynched Day 2.

They do if they were gonna get lynched day 1 anyway. And considering we are using you as the scum in this example and you are at L-1...

To your other comment, and the implications that you think everyone playing here but you and the "scum" are being stupid.

@Setael: If the time

does

get extended I

might

change my vote back to Saint for a bit to see if people want to lynch him, but I say we should wait 'till

after

we are sure it will be extended to do stuff like that.

[Setael]

@1216: Many players are active enough that a new wagon is completely feasible. What stops it is people like you refusing to comment on it or even consider it. What do YOU think of mb's recent play?

[Empking]

This is just nonsensical. It doesn't matter if we hit scum day 1 or day 2. The scum doesn't benefit if they manage to mislynch day one if they guarantee getting lynched Day 2.

They do if they were gonna get lynched day 1 anyway. And considering we are using you as the scum in this example and you are at L-1...

No because we're back to that "Town will be more accurate today than tommorrow"

[InflatablePie]

Remind me when Empking flips scum, we lynch Set.

Although after scanning mb real quick in ISO, I don't like him delaying content. Of course, that's not really a scumtell, just a lazytell. The one thing that really bugs me though, is his constant "Saint/Emp is scum" comments coupled with little other content. I could be persuaded to join that wagon, especially if mb keeps playing the way he is.

[Nexus]

I've got a replacement for WOMC lined up.

If he doesn't post by tomorrow, I'll replace him. Sure, it's a day early, but he's had five days to post. Harsh? Maybe. However, I have to cover all circumstances.

[KingTwelveSixteen]

No because we're back to that "Town will be more accurate today than tommorrow"

And I'm back to saying that that has nothing to do with what we are talking about. If town is gonna kill the scum ANYWAY, then the scum desperately claims to try and get them to off a townie or two before he dies. Dying early conveys absolutely no benefit to the scum, because if he dies he isn't there to help mislynch townies, and for every day he can do that scum is more likely to win. ADDITIONALLY, the longer he lives knowing he is eventually gonna die and flip because of his false claim the more time he has to screw around with scumbuddy reads.

@1216: Many players are active enough that a new wagon is completely feasible. What stops it is people like you refusing to comment on it or even consider it. What do YOU think of mb's recent play?

I think he's right that my argument with Emp kinda distracted the entire town from everything, but he has thought that for a while; he should have done stuff so town has more to comment on.