Open 278: Empking's Five Player

bv310 · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:46 am

How is that a question that you think will get any semblance of a real answer? No, I'm not "lurking and bandwagoning". I'm voting for my top suspect. Whether they have the most votes or not is unimportant to me.

bvoigt · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:44 am

Cthulhu wrote:
bvoigt wrote:Unless someone scumslips badly, any case on page 3 will be weak. I think I've given a fair amount of evidence for this point in the game.
If you concede that your case is weak, and I haven't made a bad scumslip then why are you willing to waste an investigation on me, and end the day now. If you've given a fair amount of evidence, you won't mind quoting it.

A weak vote is better than a vote with no case behind it at all. As for the last sentence: feel free to ISO me.

Stefunny · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:54 pm

Cthulhu at this point a "feeling" about who is scum is all I really have to go on. I think most of us agree that Cthulhu really seems like he is scum though. It seems like every one of your posts is defense and no actual scum hunting. Any of your candidates for being investigated seem to only be candidates because of OMGUS. I would be happy with either a Bvoigt or a Bv310 investigation. Regardless of who we hit, town or scum, we should be able to figure it out. I still think Bvoigt and Cthulu were really going after each other but I still stand by the idea that it would be best for scum to direct town to their scum mate in order to look town.

bvoigt · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:02 am

We all seem to have a decent idea of our suspicions, and the game has sort of stalled, so....

VOTE: No Lynch

brokenscraps · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:14 am

We investigating bvoigt then? I'll no lynch as soon as we're happy with the investigation.

Stefunny · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:24 am

or BV310, whatever you all agree on.

bvoigt · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:56 am

Naturally, since I'd prefer to get a guilty result, I'd rather have bv310 investigated. He could be town, of course, but I

know

I'm town.

From your perspective, brokenscraps, it also might be a better choice because bv310 hasn't posted as much as me. For that reason, I think he'd be more difficult to read.

bv310 · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:21 am

Like I've said previously, I want either Cthulu or bvoigt investigated. I feel like these two are the easiest chance to get a guilty. You're welcome to investigate me, but I'd much rather see a Guilty than an Innocent tomorrow.

brokenscraps · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:40 am

Clear decisions of one person to investigate please, lets see where you all stand.

bvoigt · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:09 am

CSI: bv310

Cthulhu · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:43 am

bv310 wrote:How is that a question that you think will get any semblance of a real answer? No, I'm not "lurking and bandwagoning". I'm voting for my top suspect. Whether they have the most votes or not is unimportant to me.

I have got an answer from you. You've claimed to not have been lurking or bandwagoning, which is interesting. Also you are not voting for your top suspect, you are encouraging the rest of us to, after hardly contributing to the game at all.

bvoigt wrote:A weak vote is better than a vote with no case behind it at all. As for the last sentence: feel free to ISO me.

If only you were providing a weak vote. I did ISO you and I haven't found any case against me that I haven't explained away.

Stefunny wrote:Cthulhu at this point a "feeling" about who is scum is all I really have to go on. I think most of us agree that Cthulhu really seems like he is scum though. It seems like every one of your posts is defense and no actual scum hunting. Any of your candidates for being investigated seem to only be candidates because of OMGUS. I would be happy with either a Bvoigt or a Bv310 investigation. Regardless of who we hit, town or scum, we should be able to figure it out. I still think Bvoigt and Cthulu were really going after each other but I still stand by the idea that it would be best for scum to direct town to their scum mate in order to look town.

Perhaps if you asked some questions and participated in the game, you'd have a bit more than a feeling. I'm not sure whether most of you think I'm scum, but the fact remains that you haven't presented any evidence to validate your accusation. Your temerity astounds me; I have been scumhunting but have also defended myself, you've done neither. I suggested that bvoigt or Stefunny be investigated, only bvoigt has attacked from those two, so you're claim is rubbish. Why do you want bv310 investigated? I thought you suspected me, since you attacked me, and haven't attacked bv310 (In post 49 you said you thought bv310 wasn't scum, then in post 55 you want me investigated for no reason, and in post 66 you want bvoigt investigated because you think I'm scum, and now in post 80 you want bv310 investigated again, for no reason).

bvoigt wrote:Naturally, since I'd prefer to get a guilty result, I'd rather have bv310 investigated.

In post 69, you said I was your top suspect, with bv310 your neutral suspect. Why are you now wanting your neutral suspect to be investigated? Is it an admission that your case on me was rubbish? Why didn't you suspect Stefunny when both bv310 and Stefunny have been equally as apathetic?

I don't want the day to end yet.

bvoigt · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:01 pm

Cthulhu wrote:
bvoigt wrote:Naturally, since I'd prefer to get a guilty result, I'd rather have bv310 investigated. He could be town, of course, but I know I'm town.
In post 69, you said I was your top suspect, with bv310 your neutral suspect. Why are you now wanting your neutral suspect to be investigated? Is it an admission that your case on me was rubbish? Why didn't you suspect Stefunny when both bv310 and Stefunny have been equally as apathetic?

You are still my top suspect, but the choice for investigation seems to be between me and bv310. I don't suspect Stefunny because she wasn't aware that scum could only kill on even nights.

bvoigt · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:03 pm

Also, that last quote was out of context, so I added the next sentence back in.

brokenscraps · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:09 am

Cthulhu wrote:I don't want the day to end yet.

If the investigation snabs an innocent then this discussion will continue with more info tomorrow, if it gets guilty we'll still hopefully discuss for a bit before lynching, what do we get from dragging things on?

Cthulhu · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:45 pm

bvoigt wrote:You are still my top suspect, but the choice for investigation seems to be between me and bv310. I don't suspect Stefunny because she wasn't aware that scum could only kill on even nights.

Your first point is sort of Meh. On your second point, is that all it takes to convince you? You unconditionally think she's town because of one thing? Sounds a bit convenient.

bvoigt wrote:Also, that last quote was out of context, so I added the next sentence back in.

It wasn't out of context, the second line doesn't mean anything, unless you're going to admit to being scum.

brokenscraps wrote:If the investigation snabs an innocent then this discussion will continue with more info tomorrow, if it gets guilty we'll still hopefully discuss for a bit before lynching, what do we get from dragging things on?

I appreciate that, it's just I'm struggling to pick someone to have investigated.

bvoigt · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:55 pm

Cthulhu wrote:
bvoigt wrote:You are still my top suspect, but the choice for investigation seems to be between me and bv310. I don't suspect Stefunny because she wasn't aware that scum could only kill on even nights.
Your first point is sort of Meh. On your second point, is that all it takes to convince you? You unconditionally think she's town because of one thing? Sounds a bit convenient.

At least in my experience, once someone "town-slips," it's a bad idea to go back on that read.

Stefunny · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:40 pm

I am leaving in the morning for a trip to Mt Hood. I will be back Sunday night. I say

CSI: BV310,

Because I'm unsure of him and it will narrow it down from my POV. See you all in a few days

brokenscraps · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:33 pm

bv310: bvoigt, Stefunny
bvoigt: brokenscraps, bv310

Cthulhu to choose unless someone changes their mind.

Stefunny · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:59 am

If it will end the day before I leave then I'll change to

CSI: bvoigt

. As I've mentioned previously either of these reads would narrow it down for me.

Cthulhu · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:42 am

I don't mind either player being investigated, so I'll vote

CSI: bvoigt

too, now it's settled anyway.

Seeing as the discussion is dead, with Stefunny going away, and bv310 lurking again, I'll reluctantly

Vote No Lynch

.

Zajnet · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:14 am

Votecount #2

bv310: 0
Cthulhu: 0
bvoigt: 0
Stefunny: 0
brokenscraps: 0

No Lynch: 3 (Stefunny, bvoigt, Cthulhu)

A No Lynch has been reached!

Day will start in 48-72 hours.

Anybody with night actions please submit them before then or they will be randomized.

Zajnet · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:55 pm

Newspaper Headlines Read:
bvoigt outed as member of the Mafia
Day 2 has started.

bvoigt · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:13 pm

Lies! brokenscraps must be the

real

mafioso!

VOTE: brokenscraps

Stefunny · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Mon Feb 28, 2011 2:45 pm

SO I'm trying to figure out the numbers in my head right now. We know Bvoigt is scum so do we lynch him end of day after trying to figure out who his buddy is? If I'm thinking this out right we technically are in mylo, so we'd have to be sure if we were to lynch somebody OTHER than Bvoigt.
As of right now it's between Cthulhu and Bv310 at least for me. At first I really thought Cthulhu was his scum mate because of their going back and forth but after bvoigt realized he was close to being investigated he threw out this:

bvoigt wrote:Naturally, since I'd prefer to get a guilty result, I'd rather have bv310 investigated. He could be town, of course, but I
know
I'm town.

From your perspective, brokenscraps, it also might be a better choice because bv310 hasn't posted as much as me. For that reason, I think he'd be more difficult to read.

From this I think he is bussing his buddy bv310. He says he'd prefer to get a guilty result (Which we got anyways) But if he had convinced us to investigate bv and he was wrong then we'd be after him. I think he offered up BV knowing that we'd get a guilty result and it would take some heat off of him. Also he really wasn't pushing for a bv310 investigation until late in D1, he barely mentioned him because of the interaction he had with Cthulhu and he still called him his number 1 suspect but was pushing for a bv310 investigation.

Cthulhu · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:57 am

Stefunny wrote:SO I'm trying to figure out the numbers in my head right now. We know Bvoigt is scum so do we lynch him end of day after trying to figure out who his buddy is? If I'm thinking this out right we technically are in mylo, so we'd have to be sure if we were to lynch somebody OTHER than Bvoigt.

If we lynch bvoigt today, and brokenscraps gets killed tonight, we'll have two town against one scum, and be have to lynch correctly to win. If we choose not to lynch bvoigt today, and risk going for another player, if they are town, and brokenscraps is killed tonight we will have lost by the next day without doubt. If they are scum though we will win, again without doubt. I don't think this approach is worth the risk, and therefore would prefer to lynch bvoigt today.

I'll re read the thread and build a case tomorrow, when I'm not quite as exhausted.