New Designer Mafia (Victor(s) are crowned)

[Xalxe]

That is not real content, Xalxe.

I think I know that.

[WhenInRome]

Sorry all, I've been busy. I'm rereading, my thoughts will come later.

[Amrun]

That is not real content, Xalxe.

I think I know that.

Why are you purposefully sinking your own boat, then?

[populartajo]

Xalxe, links to other town games now.

[Xalxe]

Xalxe, links to other town games now.

Say please...

Open 270

[populartajo]

Xalxe, do you have aditional games in the site?

[Internet Stranger]

By scumlist, I presume you mean "people who are scum." Off the top of my head, it includes zoraster, DeathNote (who I believe I'm voting for, no?), InternetStranger, zajnet, furcolow, and maybe DemonHybrid and danakillsu.

Huh? This sure looks like a list of scum to me. You even called them "people who are scum". Do you think we are dumb, Xalxe?
Oh hey, I even miscounted. ITS actually SEVEN (7) people.

You know Xalxe, if you just go down the list of players and call them all scum, im sure you would catch a few in there.

[Xalxe]

Xalxe, do you have aditional games in the site?

Approx. 1 finished (really crappy scum) and 2 where I'm dead but that are ongoing.

By scumlist, I presume you mean "people who are scum." Off the top of my head, it includes zoraster, DeathNote (who I believe I'm voting for, no?), InternetStranger, zajnet, furcolow, and maybe DemonHybrid and danakillsu.

Huh? This sure looks like a list of scum to me. You even called them "people who are scum". Do you think we are dumb, Xalxe?
Oh hey, I even miscounted. ITS actually SEVEN (7) people.

You know Xalxe, if you just go down the list of players and call them all scum, im sure you would catch a few in there.

Apologies, perhaps that should have been worded more along the lines of "there are 2+ scum at least in this list."

[populartajo]

Xalxe, do you have aditional games in the site?

Approx. 1 finished (really crappy scum) and 2 where I'm dead but that are ongoing.

link me to the finished game plz

[Xalxe]

Y'know, I have a wiki for a reason.

Wait Your Turn, Tex

[WhenInRome]

Okay, I'm going to:

VOTE:ender

So he votes someone he doesn't think is scum, then unvotes 15 minutes later. Then, when Xalxe says he needs to scumhunt more, he immediately FOSes him, using a reason previously used by IS? That reeks of scum. Also, he basically admits he doesn't have any good reasons: "If i find more reasons i'll be sure to vote you." So you vote someone to kiss up to IS, then he unvotes a few minutes later, and then he FOSes Xalxe because he told him to scumhunt more (using a half-assed reason, also) Xalxe is my SMPOFOS (small part of finger of suspicion ) because while he did use a lot of tables and surveys, he's gotten much better, and they did keep the town organized.

Anyway:
ender: why did you do what i described above?
xalxe: who are you current town/scum reads?

P.S. I hate meta. If someone plays scummy as town, I'll lynch them. I don't care if they always play scummy, or always sheep. Sure, you could be town who plays badly, but we don't know that. You could be scum using that excuse to get votes off you. Also, if you play so baldy, you're not helping the town, which is "anti-town" playing, even if you're town. So please, don't use meta as an argument to get me to vote/unvote someone.

[populartajo]

ok, i did some analysis in Xalxe's games and I really think Xalxe is not the play today. (this means the obvtown read I had from him has diminished but I still have some reasons to think he can be town).

The town game, he started it by proposing discussion in "Lynch all liars?", similar to his behavior here with the role claiming idea. He also compiled the doctor actions in night 1 similar to the actions here.

The scum game, he made himself very obvious by FOSing only Hoopla in a post in RVS. He was very aggressive against Fate, the competing wagon, a behavior that is only slightly repeated with Zajnet, who is not the competing wagon. I must add that it would have been very easy to jump against Olinea but instead Xalxe insisted on proving his role.

Finally, calling six people scum is a towntell so yeah I think we should be lynching Furcolow here.

[populartajo]

SC, where did your endertown read go?

[populartajo]

I dont understand something, who sent ender's detonator role?

Plum, do you think claiming the way ender did is indicative of scum?

[populartajo]

Also, we need a votecount.

[Fashion Llama]

Vote Count

Xalxe (6) - DeathNote, zoraster, Zajnet, Internet Stranger, Sevei, Furcolow
ender241 (3) - DemonHybrid, StrangerCoug, WhenInRome
Furcolow (3) - Nocmen, populartajo, Fishythefish
DeathNote (2) - Xalxe, Amrun
Olinea (1) - Tasky
DemonHybrid (1) - brokenscraps
Internet Stranger (1) - danakillsu

Not Voting (4) - Thadmiral, Olinea, Plum, ender241

With 21 votes in play it takes 11 to lynch

[populartajo]

Thadmiral, Amrun, Olinea, Plum, ender241, danakillsu, brokenscraps, Xalxe, Tasky

guys, its time to either compromise to one of the top wagons (Xalxe, Furcolow or ender) or make a solid case against any other choice, tia.

[Amrun]

Mod, I voted for DeathNote. I made a case already.

Just in case...

vote: DeathNote[\b]


We are nowhere near deadline, so I'm sticking with my strong read for now.

Xalxe does not look town to me, though.

~fixed

[Amrun]

Oops.

VOTE: DeathNote

[populartajo]

why doesnt he look town to you?

[Olinea]

I voted for Tasky in an earlier post. His entire case on me has, in a nutshell, been "you ignored my false guilty on you, which is not town behavior", then proceeded to misrep me and further his case with such gems as:

Olinea, of course you know already you are scum, so I don't need to convince you.

(since my vote is stuck on obvscum-Olinea)

He's reaching, and quite simply reiterating one point over and over again.

But, Olinea is scum anyway. To see why, go back to my post 188. I clearly state in that post that I have "a REALLY GOOD REASON to believe he is scum". (after the post 147/post 149 exchange) Now, that is not just some accusation that comes from nothing, but it's clear it has to do with some extra-information I possess. Now, as seen by post 191 Olinea has clearly seen my post. Yet he choose to ignore me. I think this is conclusive evidence that he is scum. why?
what does a townie do if someone accuses them stating to have some really strong reason which goes beyond basic scumhunting? they would know that information is wrong, and would wonder why. The very first thing a townie would do is to vote me. Taking this to an extreme, wouldn't you vote a cop who declared a guilty on you?

you feared to come under suspicion? yes, that's exactly my point. of course the townie standing up against to the false PR-claim comes under suspicion, but there is absolutely not town-reason to want to avoid that suspicion.

coming back to our (less extreme) case:
if you were town, the small amount of suspicion you could come into would be almost meaningless compared to the possible gain in questioning someone who claims some extra-threat reasons to vote you. and if you are town, what exactly could you fear in the exchange? consciously avoiding conflicts is one of the major and most reliable scumtells possible.

-> Olinea avoids direct confrontation which might bring a lot of information (if he was town) and prefers to sweep every

real

suspicion against him under the rug.
-> Olinea plays to avoid suspicion instead of playing to scumhunt.
-> Olinea shields himself with a refusal to the extremely weak Detonator-case to avoid coming under suspicion from everything else.

Tasky’s misrep can be found here:

You do realize this game is composed of completely new roles, and therefore the fallibility of PRs is likely to increase?

but one shouldn't

assume

PRs to be fallible. even if it is

possible

for a role to be fallible, it is not exactly

probable

and one should always first consider the case where it isn't fallible.

Any PR with a guilty on me in this game sure as hell is fallible.

haha. you fear investigation, do you?

I honestly can’t see where he got

that

out of my statement. I do not fear investigation. If I feared investigation I would have attacked the credibility of his false guilty as soon as he made it. I DO fear informative PRs not finding scum. Still, no part of my sentence implied any sort of reluctance of be investigated. He twisted that statement so hard that it shows he was desperate for any sort of extra padding to his case.

Do I believe Tasky is scum? At first I believed he was misguided Town working off of a single point but the fact that he’s been reiterating his points so much, and when he tries to introduce new ones they’re built off of

extremely

faulty reasoning (“plays to avoid suspicion instead of playing to scumhunt” – notice that this is just a baseless accusation which he doesn’t follow up) and, in the case of the misrep, no reasoning in the slightest, indicates that he’s scum who knows backing off of me now would mean becoming EXTREMELY suspicious, can only work to throw whatever he can at me and hope it sticks.

And, since mods didn’t count it the first time,

Vote: Tasky

[Amrun]

Tajo: I have said several times that I'm unsatisfied with Xalxe's scumhunting and HATE his responses to the accusations.

Also, someone said that listing 7 people as scum is a towntell.


How is it?! Any scum can do that and hope suspicion falls on one of the people he listed so he can hop on board with some degree of credibility.

[Internet Stranger]

Tajo is essentially full of crap. But I cant imagine one scum sticking his neck out so damn far for another. Thats just suicide once Xalxe flips scum. Im really really hoping that Tajo is just a misguided townie. I still like my Xalxe vote though.

[Xalxe]

xalxe: who are you current town/scum reads?

Town: tajo, fishy (sliding down), brokenscraps (needs moar postings), Nocmen, Amrun (iffy), Olinea
Scum (as in, I'd lynch them): zajnet, furcolow, Internet Stranger, DeathNote, zajnet

Everyone else is neutral.

I dont understand something, who sent ender's detonator role?

A question that could have been answered with a nice D1 massclaim. Instead, we have two down and others refusing /soapbox

Thadmiral, Amrun, Olinea, Plum, ender241, danakillsu, brokenscraps, Xalxe, Tasky

guys, its time to either compromise to one of the top wagons (Xalxe, Furcolow or ender) or make a solid case against any other choice, tia.

Furcolow > ender in my book, but let's see if anybody pulls something out.

Tajo: I have said several times that I'm unsatisfied with Xalxe's scumhunting and HATE his responses to the accusations.

Also, someone said that listing 7 people as scum is a towntell.


How is it?! Any scum can do that and hope suspicion falls on one of the people he listed so he can hop on board with some degree of credibility.

Yeah...no, because when you do things like that, people, oh, I dunno, get suspicious? And maybe, you know? Get votes?

Again, the way your posts are directed at me, you seem to think I have a survivor wincon or something, when I don't. My wincon is town. I win when town wins,

even if I die

.

[Amrun]

So, encouraging town to lynch you instead of lynch scum (according to you), is helpful to town?

It's not.