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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:23 am

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Vote count 1.4


subgenius (L-2): GreyICE, Ashblade, RobCapone, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill
Bill McQuill (L-5): Hiraki, Snake Eyes
bvoigt (L-6): Papa Zito
Barry Allen (L-6): subgenius
Papa Zito (L-6): Hayker
wikkiden (L-6): bvoigt
Hayker (L-6): Erratus Apathos

Not voting: wikkiden

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

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March, the 3rd, at 06:00 p.m. EST



Through research I discovered that wikkiden apparently was out of town over the weekend and expected to have internet access there. So I'll give him another 24 hours before replacing him.
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:37 am

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bvoigt wrote:It was scummy for you to vote the most obvious target for "going after all the really obvious targets and generally attacking bad play rather than finding scum."
So it's the perceived hypocrisy that's your issue? Seems like a pretty petty point to me but fair enough.

I take it you have more reason to suspect wikkiden than you wrote earlier since you're still voting for him? Or do you disagree with me on EA's catch?
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:46 am

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wikkiden has requested replacement. Hittin' up the replacement queue once again.
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:55 am

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Snake Eyes wrote:
bvoigt wrote:It was scummy for you to vote the most obvious target for "going after all the really obvious targets and generally attacking bad play rather than finding scum."
So it's the perceived hypocrisy that's your issue? Seems like a pretty petty point to me but fair enough.
Yeah.
Snake Eyes wrote:I take it you have more reason to suspect wikkiden than you wrote earlier since you're still voting for him? Or do you disagree with me on EA's catch?
I disagree, because once Bill called him out for it, wikki responded:
wikkiden wrote:@the 5 other people thing, excuse me for misspeaking. I wasn't aware that human beings were expected to never make mistakes nowadays. >.<
At least to me, this makes it sound like he knew the number of votes, and miscounted.
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:59 am

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Snake Eyes wrote:You of all people should have known that the contradiction EA pointed out was not a contradiction at all.
Bzzt! I'm so sorry, the response we were actually looking for was "You're so right Bill McQuill, I guess I'll go sit in that corner."

The contradiction EA pointed out is that wikkiden claimed, in separate posts, to know the number of other people on the wagon, and then
not to have counted the votes before casting the L-1 vote
. Here, I'll show you, since you can't be arsed to look it up yourself:
Erratus Apathos wrote:@wikkiden, explain how in the world the bolded statements here aren't contradictory:
wikkiden wrote:Oh yes. My vote sucks.
Along with the six other people voting for him.
wikkiden wrote:I'm sorry. I know I should have started in a newbie game, and I know I look extremely scummy right now. I apologize that me feeling like I could just jump right into a mini game could ruin this game for all of you. Honestly, I don't have much I could possibly say in defense of myself right now.
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 12:21 pm

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I agree with Snake Eyes about my point on wikkiden. In my experience, town and scum contradict themselves at the same rate. I brought it up because I felt his explanation would be telling, not because I thought it was scummy.

And after reading 321 I actually think subgenius is town. His reaction to Barry is genuine, and unlikely to be scum motivated.

Hayker is still totally lurking scum though. He posted ten times during the pregame, which means about five times a day, and quite a few of those were to tell us how much he couldn't wait for the game to start. Then the game started, and in the five days since then he's posted a grand total of four times. That's less than once a day. And none of those posts even tell us who he finds scummy. If you're cool you'll vote for Hayker.
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:22 pm

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@ bvoigt - if you disagree with SE on wikki, why is your vote still on wikki? I don't get that. As for your view of my post regarding my vote on sub and my view of Bill - there is absolutely nothing new there, other than me beginning to wonder whether I'm as certain as I once was about sub. I've posted several times that I also suspect Bill, and at different points in time (if you'll review my posts) you will find I was choosing between voting Bill and wikki, or Bill and sub. If you don't like that, fair enough - but don't act like I'm introducing new topics here.

@ sub - I am still thinking about my case on you...I believe I can accept your inexperience, and appreciate that you are willing to admit you may have gone to far on Hiraki earlier on. And, I am bothered by Bill coming out of the woodwork to take you to L-1, given my view of him. That has me wondering...and I will come back later tonight after I give this more thought.
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:38 pm

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bvoigt wrote:Whatever, I don't know how to explain it but subgenius is town.
I find this a very interesting statement.

Hay Erratus, do you find this an interesting statement?

Actually, better question: Subgenius, do you think the same thing about bvoigt?
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:11 pm

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Papa Zito wrote: Actually, better question: Subgenius, do you think the same thing about bvoigt?
Are you suggesting that he's being too confident about his town reads? I've been told in no uncertain terms that this is an obsolete and useless scum-tell. Anyhow, I'm leaning town on him. I think he could have gotten away with hammering me pretty damn easily after he subbed in, but he didn't.

Could you answer my question from #311, por favor?
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:16 pm

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Papa Zito wrote:
bvoigt wrote:Whatever, I don't know how to explain it but subgenius is town.
I find this a very interesting statement.

Hay Erratus, do you find this an interesting statement?

Actually, better question: Subgenius, do you think the same thing about bvoigt?
you realize you also declared somebody as town, how is what he did different than what you did?
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:59 pm

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Hey guys, I've kind of been swamped in stuff recently, however with the weekdays going on and I having finished what I needed done this morning I should be able to kick it into high gear very soon. Just need to finish some reading work then I'll read here and have a post in an hour or so.

(and it seems we scared Wiki off. Welp.)
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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:52 pm

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Barry Allen wrote:@ bvoigt - if you disagree with SE on wikki, why is your vote still on wikki? I don't get that.
What do you mean? SE doesn't agree with Erratus's catch, but I do.
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:20 pm

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First.

UNVOTE:

Sub, while still... ehhhhhhhhhhhh. Isn't as much super scum as I was led to believe recently. I'm not writing him off just yet though but that can wait for later. Right now it's time to look at others. And look what we have to look through.
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Papa Zito wrote: +1 but I want to see what the replacement does.
Right here, champ. Posted pretty recently, take a gander!
Barry Allen wrote:When called out on lurking by more than one player, we suddenly have an active Bill voting to take subs to L-1 (whether he is bussing or simply appealing to the town)...
Man, it sure is easy to make people sound scummy when you phrase things negatively!
Oh hey, Snark! That always works so well!
subgenius wrote:I think he could have gotten away with hammering me pretty damn easily after he subbed in, but he didn't.

Could you answer my question from #311, por favor?
Nah, he wouldn't have gotten away with it. A man that I call Bob once told me something about convenient wagons. They be convenient yet inconvenient. The one that hammers a wagon such as that would be seen in flames relatively quickly. bvoigt wouldn't get away with it if he is scum and he definitely would wait for a claim as town.
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RobCapone wrote:this makes no sense whatsoever
Oh, it makes perfect sense. But we'll get to that later.
Please get to this now before you have time to make a case.
welcome to the game, this is your first post in 3 days and that is all you comment on?

god I hate lurkers

I'm making a bigger post as I speak. I wanted to get the smaller post out of the way because I forget things easily.
The post that follows... and then nothing.

And Wiki gives us nothing but a request to our faces.

Simply put, Sub can wait. Wiki's looking like scum, and Hayker needs to crawl back out of that rock he is under. Either one of Hayker and Wiki votes are good in my book.

VOTE: Hayker
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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 4:24 pm

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Ugh, Tag fail. Should be this.
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:29 pm

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@ bvoigt - that's what I get for not going back and re-reading the prior post before asking my question. At least I do have an answer to the question. Thanks!
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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:30 pm

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EBWOP

I will also be interested to see whether and how Hayker responds...not really fond of lurky-loos either...
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:34 pm

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Am I out of line to be irritated and a bit suspicious that GreyICE is clearly quite active in other games while ignoring this one despite having questions awaiting his answer? This seems entirely unacceptable to me. Is there any possible town motivation for purposely dragging his feet likes this?
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:38 pm

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There's questions I care to answer from scum?

Ashblade, not saying you haven't found scum, but my god that was such a scumpost. Hey Subsy, if there's so little "town" motivations for my behavior, shouldn't your vote be on me? Or are you just casting suspicion around on people who are pushing your wagon?
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:49 pm

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Good lord man, cool your jets. I'm asking because you acted so damn offended the first time I brought it up, but nobody else really commented. I think your posting behavior is pretty damn strange, but I'd like to hear from other people, people who aren't you.

If you don't feel like deigning to answer my questions, maybe you'd like to respond to Snake Eye's point, which happens to be the exact same. Why the sudden town read on Bill?
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:54 pm

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subgenius wrote:Am I out of line to be irritated and a bit suspicious that GreyICE is clearly quite active in other games while ignoring this one despite having questions awaiting his answer? This seems entirely unacceptable to me. Is there any possible town motivation for purposely dragging his feet likes this?
Allow me to answer that question with another question: Is there any town motivation for obsessively pointing out even the most generic of suspicious behaviors of every other player in a game while under suspicion yourself?
GreyICE wrote:Or are you just casting suspicion around on people who are pushing your wagon?
Ding ding ding.
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:01 pm

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Bill McQuill wrote: Allow me to answer that question with another question: Is there any town motivation for obsessively pointing out even the most generic of suspicious behaviors of every other player in a game while under suspicion yourself?
This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen one.
I hope the irony isn't lost on you.
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:56 pm

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It's a sudden read?
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:59 pm

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bvoigt wrote:
Barry Allen wrote:@ bvoigt - if you disagree with SE on wikki, why is your vote still on wikki? I don't get that.
What do you mean? SE doesn't agree with Erratus's catch, but I do.
The world will rejoice if you add some damn content to this thread.

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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:07 pm

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GreyICE wrote:It's a sudden read?
TELL ME WHY YOU THINK BILL IS TOWN.

I've had enough of your evasive bullshit.
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:25 pm

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subgenius wrote:This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen one.
I hope the irony isn't lost on you.
And I hope the incorrectness of you using the word "irony" in this context isn't lost on you. But then, I guess it must be, since you used it in such close proximity to the "pot calling the kettle black" thing.

But let's analyze further:
Bill McQuill wrote:Is there any town motivation for obsessively pointing out even the most generic of suspicious behaviors of every other player in a game while under suspicion yourself?
This is what I've accused you of. I pointed it out in my longer post I made a page back, about you being "fidgety," and I think there are indisputable ways in which you've done the same thing to Barry and Rob, and now Grey.

So you're accusing me of doing what I accused you of, which - again - is: to "obsessively [point] out even the most generic of suspicious behaviors of every other player in a game while under suspicion [one]self." So... show me where I've done this? I took EA to task early on for his pre-game behavior (in a way that a lot of people found scummy and/or confusing, you being on the latter half of that continuum), I tried to call the game's attention to wikkiden's huge overreaction to "accidentally" putting a player at L-1 (in a way that people apparently found scummy for a different set of reasons), and now I'm voting you for reasons I made clear in the longer post and that are now being reinforced. Your continued refusal to contribute to the discussion in any meaningful way (other than, now, yelling at GreyICE for refusing to answer an essentially unanswerable question) is reallllllly not helping your cause here.

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