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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:35 am

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RobCapone wrote:But subs is probably not town, you can't analyze who is voting for whom, until we know for sure what they are

neither of those guys are confirmed town so who voted for them is irelevant at this point
No it's not. It's very relevant. If the same five people are sheeping each other, it's very unlikely that they're all town. At least one or two are scum playing follow the leader. Town just doesn't think that predictably.

It doesn't matter if sub is town or scum. There's people on his wagon who are just doing things to look townie. Do you disagree?
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:47 am

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Well idk but I didn't sheep anyone

I started the EA wagon iirc
and I laid out why I am suspicious of subsy, once hayker posts more I'll move my vote back to subsy
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:48 am

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RobCapone wrote:But subs is probably not town, you can't analyze who is voting for whom, until we know for sure what they are
I'd say subgenius is very likely town. And Erratus is even more so. Regardless I'd eat a leather hat if that whole list turned out town.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:51 am

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Papa Zito wrote:
RobCapone wrote:But subs is probably not town, you can't analyze who is voting for whom, until we know for sure what they are
I'd say subgenius is very likely town. And Erratus is even more so. Regardless I'd eat a leather hat if that whole list turned out town.
I'll disagree with you on subsy but I'll give you the list

most likely 1 is scum for sure
Goodbye Mafiascum, you guys too serious for me.
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:54 am

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RobCapone wrote:Well idk but I didn't sheep anyone

I started the EA wagon iirc
and I laid out why I am suspicious of subsy, once hayker posts more I'll move my vote back to subsy
Interesting. I didn't say specifically that you were the one sheeping, yet rather than look at who was, you immediately jumped to the conclusion that you were under attack.

That conscience seems a tad guilty.

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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:56 am

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I have nothing to be guilty of
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:02 am

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RobCapone wrote: subsy
What are you, 13? I made a pretty reasonable request to not shorten my name into a diminutive, and you're continuing for no other purpose than to irritate me. Could you please play the game without being an immature jackass about it?


Reiterating from earlier, I'd be happy to see either Rob or Barry swing.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:07 am

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My aren't we sensitive.
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:09 am

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Papa Zito wanted my top 3 so here goes:

1. RobCapone for his sarcasm, also because of what GreyICE pointed out earlier this page about him jumping to Conclusions.

2. Barry Allen Its just a gut feeling.

3. Snake Eyes seems like to me he has been lurking a bit.


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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:15 am

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WHY don't we have a facepalm smiley? WHY

I mean I'm pretty damn sarcastic and people keep having aneurysms over my conclusion jumping-ness why am I not being voted by that logic.

And gut (are you experienced enough to have gut?)

And ha ha lurking?

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You said you were reading the entire thread, why is sarcasm, gut and lurking all you came up with?
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:18 am

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I didn't jump to conclusions, I'm on a list that zito made where he says 1 or 2 are scum for sheeping

1. I started the wagon on EA so I cant sheep myself
2.I laid out my reasons for voting Sub, I didn't sheep anyone elses reasons

my reasons for subs may suck, but they are my own and don't mirror anyone else

grey is awfully quick to point fingers at others on the list and he is on it too, that's more typical of scum than explaining why I should not be included.

Zito's theory is sheeping twice, I sheeped 0

by my reasoning I'm clear
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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:18 am

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I'm interested in something now (Warning Zito: Meta argument incoming - but good one this time, promises!)

Here's arguments you make as scum:
but you are
probably
lying, I know you andrew and you get lynched early in lots of games,
I can see you
totally making this up to get town cred.
Your role doesn't even make sense
, I never heard of a person with multiple lives before.
Also and
on the off chance you are telling the truth
and you don't die, there is no gurantee we will be at Mylo, you are making HUGE assumptions like you know what the night actions are going to be.
You are assuming we don't find a guilty person overnight.
when going through there are obvious scummy people. You, furclow, and Don are my top 3
1. he seems to want to establish town cred so he follows Tasky's advice and changes his vote
2. when Jerb's FOS'd me pappums follows it up by saying he FOS's me also. He also says that the current discussion isn't going to tell us anything which seems to me like somebody in that conversation is scum and he wants to deflect to somebody else, no to mention he had just gone over 2 days without posting anything himself (after being called out for his vote switch mind you) so pot:kettle for the inactivity. The going inactive is a classic scum trick to go get the attention off of you
3. he votes Ross and says it is mainly "gut" and using the whole reaction to tasky's questions to start (notice yet again he is following Jerbs, he followed Jerb's FOS and follows Jerb's Vote)
...
5. unvotes mute/rain but he seems reluctant to
6. right after I say elleran is indecisive, pappums chimes in with his own comment about elleran being weird
7. tries to explain his votes but isn't convincing enough to me
unvote, vote Substrike

He was yet another person who claims lurker hunting is anti town which is totally not the case, Weird was the first to call lurkerhunting and he was scum, so I am going with substrike.
The general consensus on mafiascum is lurkers are anti-town and in my personal experience lurkers are more often scum, so lurker hunting is totally acceptable (can provide evidence if need to)
his reasons for Amor lynch were weak and his reason for voting Tmh was even weaker (don't think he even gave one that I can find, other than just sheeping his vote, he also claims tmh chainsaws and OMGUS's but never provides any evidence for it)
add the fact that he was a lurker also and attacking people lurker hunting I am more comfortable with voting him, I'd urge somebody who has an investigative power check out emp
Vote Mariyta
1. because her vote on the wagon was really suspicious, even pointing out that she was checking the vote count, granted I also said I wanted to check the vote count but I was actually trying to vote and actually it submit and was stopped by her vote and that comment had me worried.
2. she hops off the wagon and goes after an inactive?
3. she tries to twist my words to mean something completely different and when I call her on it, she ignores me.
You're much more certain and forceful about your cases when you're town then scum. Washy cases are often a scumtell, but Rob, for you they're a lot stronger than they are for many people. You are a person who likes to be right - being scum forces you to either bus buddies, or be very very wrong in a very forceful manner.

This is your case on Substrike:
RobCapone wrote:I have been trying to tell if subs was just newbish cause he sounds alot like how I played when I first joined, but seeing he has been here since 2008(regardless if he "hasn't played in a while") he should not be playing like this if he is town, so I have to assume he probably isn't and just trying to play it off that isn't working.
Hayker:
vote hayker
for somebody who was eager to start the game, his play since it started still hasn't lived up to the expectation
he still has more pre-game posts than he does since it started, plus he has logged in since his last post and hasn't provided anything new
My vote is because since the game has started he has had 3 posts and has logged insince his last post 3 days ago and posted nothing
He comes in posts a little, ignores the subs wagon basically and votes somebody and leaves
looks like he was attempting to fly under the radar, 1 vote on him isn't enough to get him to participate, maybe a 2nd will, if not than others can decide what to do but he IS lurking.
and I laid out why I am suspicious of subsy, once hayker posts more I'll move my vote back to subsy
My one problem is that both of the town games I'm reading you were protecting a power role, so were obviously making a certain percentage of total nonsense posts to lower the odds that you were seen as a danger. But what strikes me clear and true is this - you like to be certain someone is scum, and you DON'T like bussing your buddies at all. The result is some epically washy cases.

Which is what I'm seeing right now. Kinda admit you have my attention.
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:23 am

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Well I am a bit new to this for one.
And I guess you could say my gut is inexperienced but it is still there none the less.
And yes lurking, its just my opinion.
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:26 am

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Zito, request a facepalm smiley be made please
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:26 am

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penpen wrote:Well I am a bit new to this for one.
And I guess you could say my gut is inexperienced but it is still there none the less.
And yes lurking, its just my opinion.
PenPen, you're new and you don't read scummy to me, but I want to offer you some advice:

If your gut feels a certain way, then mull it over. Read their posts again. Offer some decent feelings. Guts read the way they do for reasons - and they can be totally right and totally wrong. "gut" is the thing that makes you jump out of the way when someone is coming up behind you - a change in the light, reflections off water and metal, sounds you can barely hear. Gut is the thing that makes you convinced there's someone in the house when it's empty - sounds you can barely hear, changes in light, raw paranoia. You have to learn to filter one from the other.

Use gut as a compass, not a final destination.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:28 am

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RobCapone wrote: 2.I laid out my reasons for voting Sub, I didn't sheep anyone elses reasons

my reasons for subs may suck, but they are my own and don't mirror anyone else
You've been acting awfully forceful about wanting my lynch, considering that it now appears you were more concerned about making sure your case didn't look like sheeping than making sure it didn't suck.


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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:29 am

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RobCapone wrote:Zito's theory is sheeping twice, I sheeped 0
Zito's theory is that scum would gleefully hop onto two townie wagons. I expected the wagons but have different sets of participants with just a couple people in common. Instead I get
that
mess.

PenPen, now that you've voted someone, what are you going to do?
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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:30 am

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Oh cool. You guys have finally realized who's scum.

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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:31 am

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Papa Zito wrote:
RobCapone wrote:Zito's theory is sheeping twice, I sheeped 0
Zito's theory is that scum would gleefully hop onto two townie wagons. I expected the wagons but have different sets of participants with just a couple people in common. Instead I get
that
mess.

PenPen, now that you've voted someone, what are you going to do?
They're both wagons I suggested, and I have just that much potential for raw awesome?

That or certain people tend to listen to me too much. Probably the latter.

<-best when ideas are taken with a grain of salt

Regardless, it's also almost certain at this point that (if we assume both were town wagons) one of the scum is straight up sitting this one out.
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:33 am

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lol good luck with this wagon
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:36 am

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*twitch*

Rooooobbbssssssssss

If you're town, it's ridiculous to give up. There's two things that move wagons
- Good explanations of what you were doing, why you think like you do, and why the wagon is wrong
- Better targets for finding scum, based on behavior.

If you're scum... if you think your lynch is that inevitable, or if you are afraid you might out a partner going down, it could be the right play. Personal judgment of course (I've self-hammered as scum - sometimes it's worth it to deny them something they wanted).

Please don't make the play that makes me think you're scum if you're town... :(
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:37 am

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Hiraki wrote:Oh cool. You guys have finally realized who's scum.

Unvote, Vote: RobCapone
See I was right about you lurking

p.edit - I have not given up, I won't be lynched today
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:45 am

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RobCapone wrote:
Hiraki wrote:Oh cool. You guys have finally realized who's scum.

Unvote, Vote: RobCapone
See I was right about you lurking

p.edit - I have not given up, I won't be lynched today

You seem very confident.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:52 am

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penpen wrote:
RobCapone wrote:
Hiraki wrote:Oh cool. You guys have finally realized who's scum.

Unvote, Vote: RobCapone
See I was right about you lurking

p.edit - I have not given up, I won't be lynched today

You seem very confident.
Yes I am, cause I am on town's side and ihave caught 2 scum already
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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:53 am

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He's setting up for a PR claim.

Sigh.

Penpen what do you think of our friend Hiraki here.
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