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[RobCapone]

ice, the kind of lurking I have observed from Hiraki is that of an Active kind, only comes around when someone is talking about him or it's someone he feels he can get a lynch on.

he was active during the discussion between him and subs and him and myself, all others to me it seems like he is just trying to poke in a post here or there to stay off the radar.

I have seen this once before in another game and I was dead on, I am pretty sure I am right about this one.

Subs really is based on the posts I pointed out earlier, yeah he hasn't played much but he has been around since 08 to be this newbish

Ice - your lurking like subs has pointed out is part of the reason for you, also you were on both wagons like Zito pointed out, when you are innocent you try to defend yourself, you don't attack a person trying to defend themselves. you didn't explain your reasons for being on both wagons, you just immediatly attacked the person who tried to get himself removed from the list, and that attack sealed the deal for me and probably puts you as Hiraki's partner given he voted for you as his first vote of the game (I call this the lol let me bus my partner at the begging of the game trick)

Bill - his lurking and suspicious behavior all game is what does it for me, sadly on this one I haven't looked into him as much as others but skimming his posts, they definitly fit the bill.

[RobCapone]

Yes lurking is a scum tell to me, see my sig duh

Really?

Interesting.

So, if that's so. Wouldn't you have more than 3 people being scum then?

it is the way lurking is done, I am not naive enough to think every lurker is scum, because i have seen people who lurk all the time as town, it is the way they lurk.

there are tricks to pick up lurker scum and lurker town

[Hiraki]

How can you have Lurker Town, if lurking is a scumtell to you. That makes no sense. Also, how would you find lurking town? I'm intrigued in this.

To add on, if I'm scum, why would I buss Bill D1?

[RobCapone]

How can you have Lurker Town, if lurking is a scumtell to you. That makes no sense. Also, how would you find lurking town? I'm intrigued in this.

To add on, if I'm scum, why would I buss Bill D1?

Cause town lurk too and they may get wrongly accused, I've been dealing with lurkers for a long time, it's the biggest pet peeve of mine but it's the way they lurk

someone who is comletely clueless abou what's going on is lower on my scumdar than someone who shows up at certain times and seems to know what's going on

are you suggesting mafia won't bus their partner day 1?
Are you really serious with that question anywY when I have called you out that your case on Bill is nonsense because you haven't made a case in him. To which you said something about not having to make one.

So yes I think you are half/ass bussing Bill and yes mafia bus their partners day 1, day 2, , any fucking day they want.

[Hiraki]

How can you have Lurker Town, if lurking is a scumtell to you. That makes no sense. Also, how would you find lurking town? I'm intrigued in this.

To add on, if I'm scum, why would I buss Bill D1?

Cause town lurk too and they may get wrongly accused, I've been dealing with lurkers for a long time, it's the biggest pet peeve of mine but it's the way they lurk

someone who is comletely clueless abou what's going on is lower on my scumdar than someone who shows up at certain times and seems to know what's going on

are you suggesting mafia won't bus their partner day 1?
Are you really serious with that question anywY when I have called you out that your case on Bill is nonsense because you haven't made a case in him. To which you said something about not having to make one.

So yes I think you are half/ass bussing Bill and yes mafia bus their partners day 1, day 2, , any fucking day they want.

I said I don't need to make a case. Not I don't need to make a case on Bill. I have made a case, and I'm sticking with it. Whether or not you like it, I really don't care.

I'm not suggesting that the mafia wouldn't buss their partner, I'm saying it'd be highly illogical on D1 for the mafia to do so. I don't see the point in it, therefore, I asked you the question. Nice assumption. (b")b

Also, what does "someone who is completely cluless..." mean? Are you saying if someone played the newbie card and didn't talk you'd label them as obv. lurk town?

[RobCapone]

He doesn't post all day and swoops in to bandwagon, not a misrep

He posted at 1:34.

He posted again at 3:30 to change his vote.

2 hours != 24 hours.

1. I never said 24 hours
2. Learn to not misrep yourself cause it was 1:34 AM so it was 14 hours

in that 14 hours lots took place, did he care to comment? No he pops in right when the votes pile on to throw his on very opportunistically. The votes came on me super quick.

Thus he proved his scum lurkyness IMO

Once I'm dead and flip town all I ask is he get lynched as my dying request.

[RobCapone]

You said you don't need to make a case, you never made a case on bill. You vote for something that and never add to your vote, never point out other things he did.

I dont care if zito disagrees, when you are town you should be able to make a case

you should be willing to make one if asked

to refuse which you have done is scummy

this is scummy play

[RobCapone]

Someone who is completely clueless was mocking

haker I can't tell cause he hasn't posted enough

[subgenius]

How in the hell could you tell mocking was clueless but can't read Haker? Mocking didn't post once, and haker's at least posted a little bit.

[RobCapone]

Hi. Sorry I'm late getting started. I'm catching up now and will post later this afternoon or evening.

Cause it's obvious he has no clue in this post

haker posted a catchup post, can't guage scum off a catchup post

[RobCapone]

And mocking did post once

[penpen]

Your right mocking did post once.

Makes me wonder if Subgenius was trying to hide that info or if he was trying to be deceptive for some reason.

[RobCapone]

Who knows, could be just a mistake, it's easy to miss one post

[subgenius]

@rob
One thing I don't get, how is Hiraki's vote opportunistic when he called you out as lynch material days ago in post 200? It's not like he's coming out of nowhere. It'd be more surprising if he didn't switch his vote to you.

And yeah, I saw that after I posted. I don't know how I forgot about that one... Honestly, I assumed you meant wikkiden rather than mocking. I still really don't follow your logic, but thanks for answering, I suppose.

@penpen
Nope, just managed to forget a one line post with no content.

[Hiraki]

He doesn't post all day and swoops in to bandwagon, not a misrep

He posted at 1:34.

He posted again at 3:30 to change his vote.

2 hours != 24 hours.

1. I never said 24 hours
2. Learn to not misrep yourself cause it was 1:34 AM so it was 14 hours

in that 14 hours lots took place, did he care to comment? No he pops in right when the votes pile on to throw his on very opportunistically. The votes came on me super quick.

Thus he proved his scum lurkyness IMO

Once I'm dead and flip town all I ask is he get lynched as my dying request.

A day is 24 hours.

Sorry, I didn't realize that 1:34 AM that it might be night.

And I might need something.

Like sleep.

[penpen]

@rob
One thing I don't get, how is Hiraki's vote opportunistic when he called you out as lynch material days ago in post 200? It's not like he's coming out of nowhere. It'd be more surprising if he didn't switch his vote to you.

And yeah, I saw that after I posted. I don't know how I forgot about that one... Honestly, I assumed you meant wikkiden rather than mocking. I still really don't follow your logic, but thanks for answering, I suppose.

@penpen
Nope, just managed to forget a one line post with no content.

oh ok, your right. We are all human after all.

[RobCapone]

I will say that while I still suspect subs, hiraki and ice have moved up on my list to 1-2

the way ice instead of defending himself for being on zito's possible scum list and attacking/straw manning someone on the list who is trying to explain the reasons fir his votes is scummy

he said I acted like I was being accused but that list was zito's way to basically accuse everyone on it as guilty of suspicious behavior. His agression was very odd

p-edit - hiraki fine you were sleeping but you wake up and say ooh a rib wagon finally let's vote

You have been for my lynch but you waited for someone else to start it so you don't get your hands dirty when I flip town

when I am gone and content has taken place, I read through and read/comment on it before voting

that is pro-town behavior

just voting ignoring everything since you went to bed is scummy.

[RobCapone]

*twitch*

Rooooobbbssssssssss

If you're town, it's ridiculous to give up. There's two things that move wagons
- Good explanations of what you were doing, why you think like you do, and why the wagon is wrong
- Better targets for finding scum, based on behavior.

If you're scum... if you think your lynch is that inevitable, or if you are afraid you might out a partner going down, it could be the right play. Personal judgment of course (I've self-hammered as scum - sometimes it's worth it to deny them something they wanted).

Please don't make the play that makes me think you're scum if you're town...

going over this post now I am on a pc

If you're town, it's ridiculous to give up

where did I give up? I never did.

Good explanations of what you were doing, why you think like you do, and why the wagon is wrong
- Better targets for finding scum, based on behavior.

I have done all of this, I have explained my actions and my reasonings and I have provided better targets but if nobody believes me what do I do next?


If you're scum... if you think your lynch is that inevitable, or if you are afraid you might out a partner going down, it could be the right play. Personal judgment of course (I've self-hammered as scum - sometimes it's worth it to deny them something they wanted).

funny thing is I have self voted as scum once, and 3 times as town.

Scum - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2764652
Town hammer - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2531898
Town vote - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p2601278
Town hammer - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2684323

so self voting to me means jack shit.

Please don't make the play that makes me think you're scum if you're town...

thanks for confirming you are scum with this post right here

[Hiraki]

Yeah Rob. Like you've commented on

every

post in this game.

Your logic pisses me off. And it's not because it's right, mind you.

[RobCapone]

fine my logic can be wrong, lord knows I am wrong lots of time, I am bull headed and when I get my mind set on something, that's it, goo d luck changing my mind

I am sorry my logic pisses you off but sadly you are my biggest scum read, I can't imagine I am wrong based on your play.

as long as I am alive I am going to push for your lynch.

[Papa Zito]

Cause town lurk too and they may get wrongly accused, I've been dealing with lurkers for a long time, it's the biggest pet peeve of mine but it's the way they lurk

my head just exploded

im typing this with no head


Someone give me a rundown on the Rob case plz. I'd like to see it all in one place.


Also, as promised:

UNVOTE: bvoigt
VOTE: Bill McQuill

[RobCapone]

sorry you lost your head bro

[Hiraki]

Someone give me a rundown on the Rob case plz. I'd like to see it all in one place.

Are you that lazy.

[RobCapone]

Someone give me a rundown on the Rob case plz. I'd like to see it all in one place.

Are you that lazy.

pot meets kettle

[Papa Zito]

Oh hell yes I'm that lazy.

UNLESS I wanted to make sure that the supporters of this wagon could actually articulate why they support it.

UNLESS that.

But let's go with lazy it's easier. ( <- I made a funny LOOK )