Final Fires wrote:Playing the newbie card isn't a good defense for him. This is my second game of mafia, but you still consider me scum even though I've "played aggressively" and didn't back when you accused me of scum. It doesn't worry me that you defend SO; it's that you pick and choose who you who you want your ideals to apply to (and the contradictions). Plus, none of his arguments have been right either.
Aside: Really? Only second game? Could've fooled me!
Both town and scum can use bad logic. Right now, the most damning thing I see on SO is how he put vezok above Exe in his list of suspects. And I know it's a pain whenever 'the newbie card' is brought up, but on the other hand, not bringing it up is more of a risk.
Final Fires wrote:The attacks on you aren't based on the fact that you find SO town. It's the fact that you find him so town you're willing to chainsaw defend him, even with no valid reason to. I see no reason why a townie would do that. Like I mentioned earlier, you haven't refuted one point in the case against SO. You don't disagree with the case against SO; you disagree with him being lynched. That concerns me.
I'm not defending SO because I see no reason to do so. I hate it when players cover other people's asses, town or scum. But if he is scum, then either he has buddies on his wagon, or the rest of the town has suddenly jumped on his wagon, which I find unlikely. And if he's town, he almost certainly has hopeful scum on his wagon. Either way, the wagon seems more interesting to me than SO right now.
I suppose you could say I'm playing Devil's Advocate. SO has enough people going after him right now, anything I say will just be echoing previous arguments. I prefer my own suspects.
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The Final Fires/Amrun/Exe theory I put forth is probably wrong. But seeing those three players gang up on SO hit my scumdar. Call me paranoid, but you remember how in Nineteen-Eighty-Four there were three huge empires that were constantly at war with one another, and yet were careful never to upset the balance of power between them for fear of losing control? That's how I read FF, Amrun, and Exe. They bicker, but never really put scum reads on each other. There were never any other serious candidates for executer other than those three. Due the at least temporary absence of a nightkill, scum can act as pro-town as they want and never be questioned as to why they are still alive. So it makes sense that scum would try to take charge of the town.
The above logic is why I would like a kill of either Exe or Final Fires. But there's another part of me that is just screaming for a dead SV. And then there's vezok and Tragedy. Decisions, decisions...
I'll explain it to you. You have to get someone else to understand it for you.
