Mini 1126 - Game over - Was Averagely Suspicious saved?

[GreyICE]

*town feel from his recent posts.

His early posts still don't make me happy, but at this point I wouldn't be thrilled to see him lynched.

[Papa Zito]

Welp.

I mean first it's "there's no valid reason to vote me" and now it's "I'm not responding to those valid reasons."

And if your response to that is gonna be "Those aren't valid reasons" then you're gonna have to tell me why aka respond to the case.


Grey: Rob is a subs counterwagon y/n?

[Hiraki]

Hmm.

Rob is at L-1, but there's no self-hammer.

Hmmzorz.

I'll be a good boy, for now.

Unvote, V/LA: Until Late Friday

[GreyICE]

Welp.

I mean first it's "there's no valid reason to vote me" and now it's "I'm not responding to those valid reasons."

And if your response to that is gonna be "Those aren't valid reasons" then you're gonna have to tell me why aka respond to the case.


Grey: Rob is a subs counterwagon y/n?

Well, yes. But I started it, and I know I'm town. Which doesn't really help you all that much.

I have a much better feeling about this one than the sub wagon tbh.

[RobCapone]

Hmm.

Rob is at L-1, but there's no self-hammer.

Hmmzorz.

I'll be a good boy, for now.

Unvote, V/LA: Until Late Friday

I was at L-2 scum boy

[RobCapone]

See if hiraki was so set on me getting lynched, why unvote?

Glanced at Subs post and it's mostly butt hurt for me calling him scum and twisting me trying to get hiraki to explain why he defends his accuser as trying to drum upvotes

if someone calls me scum and I'm innocent, I'm not going to defend that person if they are being called scum. It's retarded logic

if anything it means I'm wrong on subs but right on hiraki

[Papa Zito]

Grey: Rob is a subs counterwagon y/n?

Well, yes.

Well help me out here then.

You posit that subs is a bad lynch cuz no counterwagon developed on him. aka scum were happy to watch his head roll into a wicker basket.

But here we are with an instawagon on claimed-Tracker Rob which you agree is a counter to subs but inexplicably you feel better about this one. And regardless who started it, it sprang forth incredibly fast amirite? So tell me what the difference is.

See if hiraki was so set on me getting lynched, why unvote?

Our claimed Tracker says he's gonna hammer himself if he hits L-1 sooooo

[RobCapone]

But he doesn't think I'm tracker , he thinks I'm scum

[GreyICE]

Grey: Rob is a subs counterwagon y/n?

Well, yes.

Well help me out here then.

You posit that subs is a bad lynch cuz no counterwagon developed on him. aka scum were happy to watch his head roll into a wicker basket.

But here we are with an instawagon on claimed-Tracker Rob which you agree is a counter to subs but inexplicably you feel better about this one. And regardless who started it, it sprang forth incredibly fast amirite? So tell me what the difference is.

See if hiraki was so set on me getting lynched, why unvote?

Our claimed Tracker says he's gonna hammer himself if he hits L-1 sooooo

I'll try and help you out Zito, but at this point, do you truly, honestly believe that we've had three different wagons on TOWN here?

I mean earlier, you said that you think Subgenius was town. So your theory is that I disrupted a town wagon to go... after someone who, as far as I can tell, you're not too certain of being town. You shouldn't be, because I'm not very certain of him being town right now.

[GreyICE]

There's nothing I loathe more than a self hammering townie. If you're scum maybe you can get away with it, but... just...

Dude, PLENTY of good reasons to self-hammer as scum. Screw with their heads, it's all about screwing with their heads.

In every game I've ever read, I've only ever seen one good self-hammer from town, and one good self-vote (the self-vote was in LyLo, and was totally epic).

[subgenius]

Glanced at Subs post and it's mostly butt hurt for me calling him scum and twisting me trying to get hiraki to explain why he defends his accuser as trying to drum upvotes

Your insistence on only addressing what I fully admitted was the weakest part of my case makes me feel all the better about the rest of it.

[Papa Zito]

The first one was on town. And there's more town than scum this game.

What I think isn't the point tho. The point is that you think the subgenius wagon was bad because there was no counterwagon, but then there's a counterwagon on Rob. So doesn't that make the subgenius wagon a good one now?

[Hiraki]

See if hiraki was so set on me getting lynched, why unvote?

Glanced at Subs post and it's mostly butt hurt for me calling him scum and twisting me trying to get hiraki to explain why he defends his accuser as trying to drum upvotes

if someone calls me scum and I'm innocent, I'm not going to defend that person if they are being called scum. It's retarded logic

if anything it means I'm wrong on subs but right on hiraki

Or, I have a policy where we shouldn't lynch claimed PRs until they can be proven to be scum.

If you were at L-2, why did you claim?

Btw. you're thinking the scum-innocent logic wrong. If someone has valid proof that you're scum(report) and you're innocent, then the investigator is scum. However, if someone suspects you to be scum, and you're innocent, there is no scum motive to defend the person that accuses you, so it'd be town.

To note: I have a spare 20 before I leave.

[subgenius]

Also, I think the role claim would have made a hell of a lot more sense before the suicide threat rather than after.

[Ashblade]

There's nothing I loathe more than a self hammering townie. If you're scum maybe you can get away with it, but... just...

Dude, PLENTY of good reasons to self-hammer as scum. Screw with their heads, it's all about screwing with their heads.

In every game I've ever read, I've only ever seen one good self-hammer from town, and one good self-vote (the self-vote was in LyLo, and was totally epic).

Why I said when you're scum you maybe can get away with it. I know and have hammered myself as scum once myself.

Town self hammers are rarely ever good things to do though.

[GreyICE]

The first one was on town. And there's more town than scum this game.

What I think isn't the point tho. The point is that you think the subgenius wagon was bad because there was no counterwagon, but then there's a counterwagon on Rob. So doesn't that make the subgenius wagon a good one now?

This just hurts my head. First, lemme see:

-I've said Subs latest posts have me feeling more town than scum
-The period the subgenius wagon was ongoing was quite substantial, with no counterwagon arising
-I started the bleeding counterwagon

I mean seriously the only person I'd look at if Sub was scum out of that incident would be you, because of your wonderful IoA "lets see if the town will enjoy shiny thing X" style post, and actually the general volume of IoA that's floated out of your posts.

I'm not happy with Rob's recent posts, and I don't know how I feel about lynching claimed power on day 1. I've done it and had them flip power, I've done it and had them flip scum, I've backed up and had them flip scum anyway later. I've backed off, watched em provide jack, and get lynched two days later because "they weren't NKed" and had them flip their PR. But if someone starts a different wagon, I fucking want SOMEONE ELSE TO START THE WAGON. If we count the EA wagon from my offer of prizes pre-game, I started ALL THREE wagons this game. PEOPLE ARE BEING LAZY. THIS FUCKING SUCKS YOU LAZY TOWNIES.

[Dekes]

Vote count 1.5

RobCapone (L-3): GreyICE, subgenius, Snake Eyes, penpen
Hayker (L-5): Erratus Apathos, Ashblade
Bill McQuill (L-5): Papa Zito, Barry Allen
Papa Zito (L-6): Hayker
penpen (L-6): bvoigt
Hiraki (L-6): RobCapone
subgenius (L-6): Bill McQuill

Not voting: Hiraki

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 7 to no lynch.

Deadline is

March, the 3rd, at 06:00 p.m. EST

V/LAs: Hiraki 2/23 - 2/25

Hayker is under activity surveillance. If this is an ongoing problem, I'll have to replace you. If you're V/LA just pm me about the length of your V/LA (which, by the way, stands for Vacation/

Limited Access

), because V/LAs are infinitely better than prods.

[RobCapone]

Ice- I started a wagon, hiraki is scum

If he is town I'll quit MS forever

[RobCapone]

The first one was on town. And there's more town than scum this game.

What I think isn't the point tho. The point is that you think the subgenius wagon was bad because there was no counterwagon, but then there's a counterwagon on Rob. So doesn't that make the subgenius wagon a good one now?

There is only 2 ways you can say EA is town

1. You are scum
2. You and he are mason (no cult allowed in mini, cult is scum anyway)

so if neither is true, EA is not confirmed town

[RobCapone]

Glanced at Subs post and it's mostly butt hurt for me calling him scum and twisting me trying to get hiraki to explain why he defends his accuser as trying to drum upvotes

Your insistence on only addressing what I fully admitted was the weakest part of my case makes me feel all the better about the rest of it.

No I addressed it all, your entire case is cause you are mad cause I attacked you and your personal opinions are skewed towards that. This is actually what I expect from you and don't think you are scum anymore.

If you actually defended me than I would be more convinced you were scum

see how that works hiraki?

His reaction is genuine town, I accuse him so he assumes i must be scum trying to get him lynched so he naturally thinks I'm scum

That is typical town reaction, an innocent wrongly accused will not trust his accuser

go ask any guy falsely accused of rape if he would go have coffee with the chick later

[Papa Zito]

Ok Grey, I'm good with that. Why don't you join me on the Bill wagon then?

There is only 2 ways you can say EA is town

1. You are scum
2. You and he are mason (no cult allowed in mini, cult is scum anyway)

so if neither is true, EA is not confirmed town

I said subgenius is town too. Am I a mason with him as well?

I'm still really not seeing Hiraki as a better candidate.

[RobCapone]

You are a wild card zito

[Papa Zito]

Yes.

Join me on the Bill wagon.


@Ashblade: Need some content plz.

[Ashblade]

Working on it. Be up in a couple minutes.

[RobCapone]

Yes.

Join me on the Bill wagon.


@Ashblade: Need some content plz.

I can't join a wagon I don't beleive in.

Right now all signs point to hiraki and ice, if hiraki flips scum than Ill be convinced bill is probably scum

I don't baaaa