Mini 1130 - A Fishbowl Invasion by Ninja Monkeys! - Over

[Parama]

/confirm

applesauce.

[Parama]

vote: Oso

Ouch, Mad Geese Usurped Slovenia

[Parama]

I'm trying to save Slovenia here, and a train of mad geese won't stop me.

[Parama]

VOTE: Parama

My former roommate is Slovenian, you prick.

I'm trying to save the Slovenians, not insult them. You have the wrong idea.
In other news, Only Mature Guys Understand Seriousness, y'know.

[Parama]

Okay, it's Page 3, so one scum should be blatantly obvious by now, if not two.

First off, I'd like to draw people's attention to the first post, specifically the part that confirms that there's at least 1 mafia traitor in the game. If people don't realize this, it could hurt, because what it means is that scum may well "bus" a buddy and not have a clue that they're bussing - if a mafia traitor is lynched, and they flip mafia traitor, we need to treat it as a town lynch in terms of VCA.

That aside...

Vote: Sundy

Sundy? More like scummy.

I hope to god this was an RVS joke, because if you were actually serious...

VOTE: [winger]
mafia always seem to be around entrant 10
that and you need to confirm :/

Another fake "serious" reason to vote... in RVS? This one's not quite as bad as crazy's, but still.
DH is obvtown already.
sordros too.
[winger] #33 - Double RVS-ing tends to be a solid scumtell, since there's no point to it. You RVS for pressure - why would you destroy reasonless pressure on one person to push reasonless pressure on another?

Actually, you know what? Neither would AGar's.

Unvote, Vote: crazypianist

Lol

Lemme complete this post:
"Lol you're voting me for no reason so I should have to acknowledge your post but because I'm scum I'm incredibly paranoid about votes and thus feel I must acknowledge the vote"
You left a whole lot out, crazy. Why?
Reading every post from that point on, lol one scum's already flailing.

unvote, vote: crazy

P.S. - Notice the "ex" in "ex-roommate" Parama.

In that case, I am completely offending the Slovenians. Let the geese usurp them for all I care, those bastards! Death to Slovenia! Power to Mad Geese!
Hmm, [winger]'s jumping a bit early on the crazy wagon to be scum with him IMO. And since crazy is scum, that means [winger] probably isn't scum.

THE LIST OF AWESOME POWER:
DH
sordros
[winger]

THE LIST OF DIE PLZ:
crazy
Twisted

I expect a lynch in no more that 24 hours, thanks in advance.

[Parama]

crapplesauce, I already forgot about the traitor >.< [winger] COULD be scum if crazy's the traitor, but not vice-versa.

[Parama]

I give [winger] a pass because he's not scum traitor to crazypianist mafia, though the inverse could be true. Unless the traitor doesn't know their mafia, which would be just plain unfair.
But there are 2 scenarios where crazy can be scum, and [winger] can only be scum in one of those. I'm pretty sure that makes crazy a better vote.
Plus, [winger] isn't flailing scum like crazy is, AND he's voting the flailing scum. If he's scum, he's helping us anyways
Also I'm tired of putting brackets around [winger]'s name, so I'mma refer to him as [] from now on

[Parama]

@RBT: Why are you voting a person who, at the time of your vote, had only posted once?
@Cecily: You appear to not have a clue why people are voting crazypianist. Tell me why he's scum, please. In your own words.
@Bub: Have you read/understand the points against crazypianist? Do you agree with them?

[Parama]

Parama/Oso, what is so bad about double voting randomly? This is my first game on this site, so you'll have to enlighten me a bit. I read through a few games here before I started this one, but I didn't see this being an issue there.

Pretty sure I actually already said why WHEN I called you out for it.
Also, play a newbie game if you're a newbie. Seriously.

3. Parama you seem to enjoy putting words in my mouth that weren't there. I was laughing at DH for reasons above. I don't really get why he's voting me, or why he thinks I'm panicking. Furthermore, he's not going to get any more info from me if I die, so I don't see why he's advocating for my death if he wants info from me..

He's voting you for RVS.
But you took it as a serious vote because you're paranoid.
Only scum have reason to be paranoid.
Go die plz

I'm going to retract my vote on CP for now because that's what I had intended to do originally.

unvote

This action is not to jump off a wagon that hasn't even really started yet, but just to do what I had planned.

You must have a reason for believing he's not scum, then.
Please do tell.

[Parama]

"Being paranoid" isn't putting words into your mouth. You saying that I'm putting words into your mouth is YOU putting words into MY mouth.

And you're not reading because I already went over that.

Actually, you know what? Neither would AGar's.

Unvote, Vote: crazypianist

Lol

Lemme complete this post:
"Lol you're voting me for no reason so I should have to acknowledge your post but because I'm scum I'm incredibly paranoid about votes and thus feel I must acknowledge the vote"
You left a whole lot out, crazy. Why?

[Parama]

Hmm. I guess I AM putting words into your mouth there, but it's the words you forgot to type up, so it's not really me putting them there since they were there in the first place but never got spoken.

[Parama]

Because:

Slovenia? what are you talking about? As usual, I'm unable to follow you Parama.

I honestly don't think scum would be this literal about everything. It's kinda gut I guess but this just oozes those wonderful town vibes.

[Parama]

@Akira: It's not imaginary flavor, it's what he was thinking when he posted. 'tis a common line of though for scum, really.

People I'm currently suspicious of:

Bub Bidderskins: Voting without bold, possible sneakiness
DemonHybrid: Gut
Parama: Might just be play-style

But I'ma place my vote where it will count this early in the game and I think the Winger case > the Pianist case.

vote: Winger

You have 3 suspicions. Why aren't you voting any of them?
Oh, because of crap reasons.
Bub reason - that's called forgetting a tag.
DH - Okay, that's useless if you don't reference any posts at all.
Me - This is backing out of one of your suspicions, not a reason for it.

Also, you haven't even acknowledged what either the winger or crazy cases are. Why do you think winger is scummier than crazy? Do you think either of them is town?

HoS: Sundy

You're next once crazy flips scum.

[Parama]

Parama: I gave my reason for not voting any of the first 3 suspicions, but I'll expand for you in case you don't like reading between the lines: "

I'ma place my vote where it will count this early in the game.

"

I saw that. IT DOESN'T WORK. If you're suspicious of 3 players, vote one of them.

To sum up, I completely agreed with Pianist that people were putting words in his mouth (possibly for ulterior motives), and I thought Winger was a huge part of that game. Additionally he had a bunch of pressure building on him, perfecto. Parama and DH were playing the projection game too, but I can only vote for one player at a time.

If you take every word spoken at face value, you'd spend an entire game lynching town. Just sayin'.

Parama: I find over-confidence suspect in general but this player displays it regardless of alignment. Hence the ambiguity of my suspicion.

"This player"
I am offended.
You've never seen me play scum anyways.

Oddly enough despite his lack of common sense I feel *a bit* better about Sundy now - I'd still prefer the crazy lynch, but I'm not letting Sundy out of my sight yet.

Last note: winger, stop playing on EM. It's bad for your health. This is coming from someone who's won a trophy on the site. NOBODY THERE CAN PLAY MAFIA.

[Parama]

Even if it's horribly terribly wrong, it sounds like he honestly believes what he's saying, and scum never believe a word of the BS they're spouting so.

[Parama]

Parama, I stopped playing on Epic Mafia a few months ago. I much prefer this style.

*sigh of relief*

[Parama]

If you take every word spoken at face value, you'd spend an entire game lynching town. Just sayin'.

This is why you lynch the people that try to make things seem scummier than they really are.

And the people who don't mean what they say.

I'm so glad we ran winger up to a claim when we could've been lynching crazy instead. I'm so terribly happy that now we'll have to WIFOM it up and think "Is he lying? Should we lynch him? But wait! What if he's town and we lynch him? Then we lose a doc! But... maybe that's why he claimed doc. To avoid a lynch as scum. Should we lynch him?"

Yeah thanks for nothing. Winger claimed too early IMO.

Cecily's post seems to be mostly about me, then he votes winger, the biggest wagon. And dismisses his read of me as playstyle.

...sound familiar?

Okay, it's confirmed: We have at least one really crappy townie. Because there's like a million suspicious people and they can't all be scum.

Twisted is really damn quick to believe winger's claim. Why, twisted?

Everything else I can see is pointless and boring wallposting. I'mma ignore it kthx.

[Parama]

hiraki's sig.

[Parama]

hiraki's sig, again.

[Parama]

sordros is still town as hell

Yes. D1, only a VT is going to claim VT. Town PR will claim their role, scum will claim town PR, as a general rule. And even being just a "general rule", I've found it to be a pretty good one.

Funnily enough, town almost always lynches VT claims D1 regardless! <_<

I don't believe the claim myself. We'll most likely lose him tonight.

Oh hey, a scumslip!

unvote, vote: Akira

choo choo

[Parama]

Cecily is scum with Akira. Noted. Twisted is almost assuredly town. Also noted.

[Parama]

Twisted is almost assuredly town.

Explain pl0x. I'm intrigued by this particular read.

Cecily-scum is trying to start a counterwagon on Twisted.

[Parama]

TOO LONG. I GIVE PERMISSION TO HAMMER.

[Parama]

>Cecily just agreed that Akira's post was a slip
>Cecily defends Akira
>There is no town motivation to defend someone you think is scum

[Parama]

I feel like with every post, Cecily is looking worse and worse. Are mafia usually this obvious?

Only when I catch them

Cecily, Akira isn't at L-1. Put him there in your next post, please.

[Parama]

^AND I WANT CECILY AND

ONLY

CECILY TO DO THIS

[Parama]

oh wb Mae :>

*one spontaneous fire drill later*

okay Akira's posts do nothing for me, he still needs to die etc. DAMN I'M COLD UGH.

[Parama]

If Akira turns out to be town, none of you have any case against me.

Wrong. It is YOUR decision to vote, not ours. You sounds too reluctant to vote.

And if he turns out to be scum, I'll be rethinking everything I've ever learned about human errors and be truly shocked.

lies. You know he's scum, but you don't want to lynch him.

[Parama]

Sundy is most certainly scum if Akira is not, btw.

[Parama]

I didn't even call you scum, since Akira is scum, and you're only scum if he isn't, though you *could* be if he is, but Cecily _is_ scum if Akira is scum so.

[Parama]

I don't like explaining the obvious tbh.

[Parama]

Then Akira is scum d(''d)

[Parama]

vote: Cecily

'nuff said.

[Parama]

Cecily's next post should either be a claim or self-hammer. Possibly both.

[Parama]

And their roles, too. Might as well go all the way.

[Parama]

I frankly don't care d(''d)

[Parama]

I forgot that part...maybe she'll be a town power role and we'll all unvote. (/sarcasm)

it worked for winger
Except he was town.

[Parama]

A newbie who doesn't understand what the jailkeeper role is?

[Parama]

^with the names of Akira's partners still in the PM, if posible

[Parama]

not really ^_^

[Parama]

I am as townie as it gets.

Everyone else in the game should be canonized, then.

[Parama]

BUB

TAKE THIS HAMMER:
====[]

SMASH IN CECILY'S FACE FOR US

THANKS IN ADVANCE

[Parama]

Bub, you took one too many posts to hammer, but you done good, man. You done good.
Same goes to everyone on the Cecily wagon. Thanks, crazy. Thanks, DH. Thanks, Mae. Thanks Twisted. I couldn't have done it without you.
And I'd like to thank the academy, for motivating me and helping me to become the man I am today.
And also my mother, for raising me to be such an awesome guy.
And you too, Cecily, for being so obvious.
And let's not forget Enigma, for giving me the power to pin scum by making me town and scum idiots.
And, last but not least, viewers like you.

[Parama]

Cecily was an antimiller IMO.
I need to reread. Post later today, since I'm at school atm.

[Parama]

Oso 56 really makes me want to put him as scum, now that we have some flips.

UNVOTE: [winger]

His play up to this point (as bad as I think it may be) doesn't override the claim, in my opinion.

vote: Oso

some late D1/early D2 posts make me believe crazy is town, and Sundy's really the only other person besides crazy who could be scum, so.... Oso/Sundy team it is. GG guys, if you want to play with me in another, just /in in the queue after I do :>

BTW DH is practically confirmed town at this point. AGar you fool unvote him.

I'll quickly express my thoughts as I can't be online for too much right now:

I don't believe the claim myself. Putting aside all his scummy behavior, he was way too quick with the claim. A real doc would have at least waited until someone was about to hammer. He even wanted to claim at L-2, which strikes me as scummy.
But staying on the wagon won't do much. We'll most likely lose him tonight, so UNVOTE:

So, you don't believe the claim, but "We'll most likely lose him tonight"?

NEW TARGET ACQUIRED

UNVOTE, VOTE: AKIRA

*scumslip* SAKURAAAAAAIIII!!!

/bah

funnily enough Akira basically cleared DH with his bah post. I approve d(''d)

[Parama]

PARAMA-NOTE: Before some moron misinterprets it: Oso 56 and the quoted post are not the same post. I was too lazy to quote 56, and the second one is basically the same thing Akira did, except disguised better.

[Parama]

Gut's telling me that your intention was to vote the wagon that was less likely to take off on its own so that after that was done you could default to the other wagon regardless of whether or not the first wagon went through to a lynch.

Though in light of the post I quoted that hardly matters, since you're scum.

I don't care about your meta.

[Parama]

oh man DH you're acting like scum now. Why are you, instead of providing a defense to AGar's accusations, deflecting to me EVERY SINGLE TIME? Especially since I don't think you've ever pressed any suspicions on me.
Town read redacted; guess I'm gullible for whatever type of WIFOM Akira pulled there.

[Parama]

@DH:

And Parama posted minutes after I did. What is your point?

But how am I different than someone like Parama, or better yet, someone who didn't vote Akira but voted Cecily?

You realize that Parama said the same thing? Why aren't you on his case?

These are all deflecting suspicion off you onto me, which implies you suspect me, though your reason is non-existent.

[Parama]

your system is terribly skewed if you think all your -1's are scumtells.

#20: Declares Cecily to be scum and Twisted to be town, this eventually leads to Cecily's death (-1)
town can be wrong. I still stand by the theory that Cecily was an antimiller, personally.

#21: Says Cecily-scum starting counter-wagon on Twisted (-1)
He DID try and start a counterwagon, regardless of his flip.

#22: Gives permission to hammer Akira before he posts (-1)
And Akira was scum. So...

#32: Votes Cecily without further explanation (-1)
See: Day 1 posting

#47: Parama says DH is acting scummy (-1)
Because he is?

This looks like faux-scumhunting to me. Your points are not valid, not a single one, as they assume I'm scum (which is false to begin with) to argue that I'm scum.

[Parama]

Sudden realization:

just realised i don't feel so comfortable with oso on l-1 anymore

Unvote

i'm probably going to get ripped to pieces for this, especially if he flips scum, but...

If oso flips town then I'm going to be looking at Agar day 3

Twisted

knows

Oso won't flip scum, because Twisted's the mafia traitor.
And he wants to chain lynches to ensure a scum victory. Since he knows Oso is town, the second statement is there so he can push AGar tomorrow for a "valid" reason.

unvote, vote: Twistedspoon

let's get this gravy train rollin'

[Parama]

See: Bussing

<_<

[Parama]

What the hell. I swear I posted here yesterday. But my post is just... missing? .-.

unvote

let's retype the important bit then.

I'm feeling the TS wagon is powered by ScumFuel.

Don't like it. Especially AGar.

This is like the exact same thing Twisted did, except you're pushing along the AGar suspicion that Twisted started while also saying "he's town" so that the next day you'd be like "I told you so nubs, vote agar he's scum" and nobody would bat an eye - hell they'd probably join you.

vote: RBT

[Parama]

Explaining for RBT: OMGUS
My jump happened a day before it posted <_< I must've missed the submit button.

[Parama]

RBT's excuse for not posting reads is the most pathetic I've ever heard.

Basically, I don't have to like your wagon, but I also don't like you alive. They're RIGHT; you have been completely active lurking and dodging play all game. The question is "Who is GENUINE about it?"

So far, 0/3.

and this is the most pathetic defense I've ever heard.

Rice, claim.

After you, scumbag.

what happened to agar, me oso, and sundy? <_<

Why would I claim when there is somewhere between zero and none for a case against me?

because there's actually cases on you that refuse to acknowledge.

Parama has been on the leading wagon for every VC, including both lynches, both claims today, as well as mine.

yeah, it's this "trying to find scum" thing that I like doing. I've usually been leading the leading wagon, if you haven't noticed. We've already gotten one confirmed town out of it, and we just caught one scum as well d(''d).

RBT plays like a VI a whole hell of a lot but it's still pretty obvious that she's scum this game.

[Parama]

*sigh*

[Parama]

I'm somewhat sad that Bub won, actually. Since he's about the worst player I've seen...
Angry rants from the dead QT:
Rant time:
Killing the mafia traitor should NEVER happen after Night 1. NEVER.
Why?
You have a recruit. Did you recruit someone last night? Nope, so you should kill them the next night.
Of course, all hell could break loose and that person you tried to recruit got lynched the next day, and that's the ONLY case in which a traitor can be killed after N1... but traitors tend to be good at not attracting suspicion early on (see: my play this game <_<).
To kill a traitor on Night 3 is a sign that you shouldn't be playing mafia, Bub. You obviously don't know how to.
And yes I have played on a scumteam with a recruitable traitor - same traitor mechanic as this one, in fact. Guess what? We never shot the traitor because we had confirmed non-traitors after Night 1.
Oh thank god. It's NOT OVER but Bub will find a way to screw it up. He might claim scum. I'm pretty sure he's trying to throw the game with the way he's been playing.
I can't believe how town's trying to twist my DH defense into a buddy-tell. Guess what, Akira LITERALLY CLEARED DH and there's people still lining up to lynch him. I don't really get that AT ALL.
nooooo
Bub, you need to be online more often. Seriously. STOP HAVING A LIFE.
Okay, Bub, you obviously don't care about this game. Go die.
Screw it.
I hereby proclaim that town should win this game.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT BUB TO WIN.
DH: Hey Bub if you stick around for 10 minutes I'll give you a chance to quickhammer AGar
*hour and a half later*
Bub: Uh... wtf u talkin' bout nub? vote: parama he's scum

...yeah.
I nominate myself for only good scum play in the game because everyone used my ISO to mislynch 3 people in a row after I was killed <_<