Newbie 1068 (Town Wins!)

[RayFrost]

NS: content please.

[zoraster]

Day 1 Vote Count

MaxKojote ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Fatso ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Kcdaspot ( 2 ) RayFrost, }|{opa,

(L - 3 )

neil1113 ( 1 ) WingDamage9001,

(L - 4 )

Nobody Special ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

RayFrost ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

WingDamage9001 ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

Shanman ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

}|{opa ( 0 )

(L - 5 )

No Lynch ( 1 ) Fatso,

(L - 4 )

Not Voting ( 5 ) MaxKojote, neil1113, Nobody Special, Kcdaspot, Shanman,
Total Votes ( 9 )

Deadline: March 17th at 19:00 EST
With 9 able to vote, 5 needed to lynch.

[Fatso]

Kcdaspot hasn't posted that I've seen, so:

Unvote: No lynch

Vote: Kcdaspot

My reasoning is that we don't need someone around who doesn't do anything (if you've posted, then my mistake.)

[Nobody Special]

TWENTY-FIVE POSTS and you haven't seen ANY of them?

Vote: Fatso

[Fatso]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! My God that's funny!
In my defense, (which I'm obviously going to need) I have a terrible cold and impaired memory functions.

Unvote: Kcdaspot

[MaxKojote]

To be honest, with Fatso originally wanting the No Lynch, he's made about the only scum-like action I've seen so far. As NS pointed out, we need to get information somehow, threatening people with the noose tends to be remarkably effective, particularly when they go into Flail Mode. Kcd is a bit suspicious as well, but still...

FOmS: Kcdaspot

VOTE: Fatso

[Fatso]

Flail Mode? Care to elaborate?

[Kcdaspot]

page 5..

the person i want to hear from now is wing.

ISO/reread time.

[MaxKojote]

Flail Mode? Care to elaborate?

Basically desperately trying to come up with defences to stop being lynched. Or bribery. It's usually rather entertaining to see. Particularly as the defences are being pulled out of the air, they tend to be very flimsy and in cases self-contradictory.
At times it can also be used as a strategy by the mafia if there happen to be two mafia families. But will fail if say, the town have figured out who is who.

[Kcdaspot]

Fatso: null/noob. not seeing my posts.... o_O

Keeping my eye on you.

MaxK: 3 posts, null. what do you think of everyone else?

neil: town. active and asking good questions.

NS: Slight scum. Where the hell is your contribution outside RVS/RQS or ICing??

ray: null but not for lack of content VERY slight lean to town due to his recent posts. I posted my response to your case, can you read it?

Shan: VERY null. Clear and concise posts but has yet do something explicitly town or scummy. need to read this one more

wing: POSTMOAR! no read.

}|{opa: How did you miss the fact that scum gets nighttalk? you are a "mafia scum" vet (it says this RIGHT UNDER your name). and same post you look... apathetic.
latest post i can't read right.

VOTE: "Jora"

for all kinds of weird vibes.

[Fatso]

Quick question here: you CAN claim to be a certain role in a post, right? I thought I read differently somewhere, but that wouldn't make much sense, and like I said I'm having problems remembering things right now.

[Kcdaspot]

A) clam down and B) yes, but not yet.

[Shanman]

Quick question here: you CAN claim to be a certain role in a post, right? I thought I read differently somewhere, but that wouldn't make much sense, and like I said I'm having problems remembering things right now.

You can claim your role, but it isn't suggested. If you're VT (Vanilla Townie), no one will believe you. If you're cop or doctor, you become a target. If you're mafia... well, you can feel free to claim.

If you FALSE claim, then you get lynched because you have no good reason to do that. At least, 99.9% of the time you have no good reason.

[WingDamage9001]

Okay. But really. Who's gonna claim scum? I wanna win this. Now.

[WingDamage9001]

UNVOTE: neil
VOTE: Fatso

I asked that question before reading. It seems someone already has claimed scum...

[Kcdaspot]

HELLO THERE SCUM.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: wing

You'll give me better posts/ good reads if you want this vote off

[Shanman]

Seems a little drastic Kcdaspot. Though I do think that WingDamage9001 is also overreacting. Nonetheless, this will stimulate conversation! Could I have your reasoning for both of these votes?

WingDamage9001

1) What did you see that screamed out

"I'M SCUM"

in such an ear-piercing, vote-bringing screech? (I have my own reasons, but what are yours?)

2) Why didn't you put them in your post?

Kcdaspot

1) Did WingDamage9001's lack of reasoning alarm you?

2) Do you think that this is a scumtell?

3) You responded to Rayfrost's post:

Also, nobodyspecial is town. So is }|{opa.

With this:

... town read on some one who hasn't posted yet..

please tell me he won't be like this the whole way through.

Why is this response different?

[Kcdaspot]

1 and 2:

3 posts in? votes a BW?
again he better read the thread and give a better post than THAT if wants to convince me that he's not scum

3:

frustration really.

[Shanman]

1 and 2:

3 posts in? votes a BW?
again he better read the thread and give a better post than THAT if wants to convince me that he's not scum

3:

frustration really.

Hmm... I hadn't noticed he's only made three posts.

WingDamage9001, more questions:

WingDamage9001's Questions

1) What did you see that screamed out

"I'M SCUM"

in such an ear-piercing, vote-bringing screech? (I have my own reasons, but what are yours?)

2) Why didn't you put them in your post?

3) Are you keeping up with the reading?

4) Why haven't you contributed more? (Not in quantity,

quality

)

5) Did you know that you were hopping a bandwagon?

[MaxKojote]

Don't really have any opinions on anyone else yet. Well, I guess I'm keeping my eyes on Wing, he seems a touch hasty in his decision making.

Out of curiosity, Kcd, what does BW mean?

[Kcdaspot]

BandWagon.

[RayFrost]

To be honest, with Fatso originally wanting the No Lynch, he's made about the only scum-like action I've seen so far. As NS pointed out, we need to get information somehow, threatening people with the noose tends to be remarkably effective, particularly when they go into Flail Mode. Kcd is a bit suspicious as well, but still...

FOmS: Kcdaspot

VOTE: Fatso

Being inexperienced is not scummy. Simply put, the idea of no lynch comes from a misunderstanding of actuality that isn't scummy. Fatso's not scum, just a newbie learning the ropes.

[RayFrost]

}|{opa: How did you miss the fact that scum gets nighttalk? you are a "mafia scum" vet (it says this RIGHT UNDER your name). and same post you look... apathetic.
latest post i can't read right.

VOTE: "Jora"

for all kinds of weird vibes.

"Mafia scum" just means the total number of posts. I had the mafia scum title after my

first

game, IIRC. It doesn't say anything about actual experience, and appealing to experience as the reason to find someone scummy is poor.

[RayFrost]

Quick question here: you CAN claim to be a certain role in a post, right? I thought I read differently somewhere, but that wouldn't make much sense, and like I said I'm having problems remembering things right now.

You can claim your role, but it isn't suggested. If you're VT (Vanilla Townie), no one will believe you. If you're cop or doctor, you become a target. If you're mafia... well, you can feel free to claim.

If you FALSE claim, then you get lynched because you have no good reason to do that. At least, 99.9% of the time you have no good reason.

Correction.
When you claim your role, you should not be claiming with the expectation that it will save you from the noose if you are soon to be hung. The time when you are to claim in this type of situation is when you are L-N (as in N votes away from being lynched) and there are N people calling for your claim that are not currently on the wagon.

The reason we claim when near-lynch is to allow information roles (doc/cop) to claim their "results" / to get the possibility of someone confirming them / as a general good practice.

For claiming outside of when you are close to being lynched, it's generally done when you have IMPORTANT AS HELL information. Like a cop with a guilty on two scum in a newbie game. There's other instances that require personal judgment, ec, etc but this isn't something you really need to go into.

As town in a newbie game, you should

not

fake claim. Ever. It will, at best, ruin your credibility when you claim your real role and, at worst, get you lynched for it. Outside of newbie games, there are very limited circumstances where fakeclaiming as town is wise, and even I'm not sure when these would be.

[RayFrost]

ray: null but not for lack of content VERY slight lean to town due to his recent posts. I posted my response to your case, can you read it?

If you mean to say this is your reply, I'll just go ahead and say it doesn't really break anything in my issue. "I thought he had voted you" - on page 2, it's scummy to switch votes... why? I fail to see your logic for finding it to be a "HELL TO PAY" situation. It's an over defensive action on someone that you are also aggressive towards (me), which feels like a contradiction in the very fabric of your play.