Execution Mafia GAMEOVER!

[Tragedy]

I'm pretty pissed at SV for simply skipping his own words.
But if he turns out town, I'm really going to call him an idiot every game.
/Tips Hat.

[Umbrage]

If SV flips scum Tragedy should die, and if SV flips scum StrungOver should die.

I see Tragedy suddenly voting SV as a bus. If I was killed, SV would be the NK anyway, so if they are a scum duo, it's best for her to distance him.

[Tragedy]

Lol-wut?
Either way, if SV flips scum, one of us is scum in your perspective?

The best to distance from him? How's that damn possible?
No point into completely posting a whole case on you again unless your testimony is really going to suck tomorrow. Obviously, scum would makes you a damn bait for tomorrow's lynch if you're going to continue on being Ridiculous.
SV > UMBRAGE > VEZOK/SO > SO/VEZOK

Idealistic?

[Shattered Viewpoint]

Odd how the wagons switched so suddenly in my favor. Just sayin.

Everyone should analyze that very carefully tomorrow after I'm dead and flip Town.

[Umbrage]

Odd how the wagons switched so suddenly in my favor. Just sayin.

Everyone should analyze that very carefully tomorrow after I'm dead and flip Town.

Even better, why don't you analyze that?

[Twistedspoon]

Odd how the wagons switched so suddenly in my favor. Just sayin.

Everyone should analyze that very carefully tomorrow after I'm dead and flip Town.

Even better, why don't you analyze that?

lol

[Tragedy]

No, SV.
You called yourself an idiot and decided not to actually ISO vezok and the other guy.
Maybe not scumhunt like myself, but...

[Exe]

Odd how the wagons switched so suddenly in my favor. Just sayin.

Everyone should analyze that very carefully tomorrow after I'm dead and flip Town.

It's really not surprising. Umbrage had 6 votes, and 3 other candidates had votes...when the choice was dichotomized between you and Umbrage, that would inevitably mean that the most likely outcome was 6 votes Umbrage, 7 for you.

Plus, you aren't a bad execution in any case so it really doesn't matter. I still think Umbrage should die.

I'll give my opinion on the outcomes of SV's flip once I do a quick re-read of him.

[Exe]

Proposed back up plan:
Amrun submits a no lynch. We vote her to submit the night kill. She executes at night either SV or umbrage, whoever town has agreed on. If by chance amrun goes rogue and executes someone rather than submitting a no lynch, we all vote FF at night and he kills amrun for the night execution. (doesn't have to be ff, but we need to pick someone).

Why did no one call out how retarded this plan was?

Also: if we kill SV and he flips scum, I logically should be the one to have the NK, I've been pushing on him most of the game.

Lol, no.

Amrun should be the night killer until we have reason to believe that we've made the wrong decision.

Still rereading SV to find most likely scum buddies if he flips scum.
If he flips town, Setael should probably die. He is the one who proposed the dichotomy of SV vs Umbrage kill, and so if SV flips town I'd bet big bucks that Setael & Umbrage are partners.

[Exe]

Ok so a few notable things. Please read them all:

1.)

I see a subtle SV-Haschel connection. If SV flips scum, Haschel needs to be looked at.

2.)

Also, if SV flips scum,

I'd rather we no-kill.

I want time to see post-mortem interactions, as none of SV's connections are damning enough to merit a guaranteed second kill.

3.)

I've remembered why no-killing at night is so much better. Setting up lynches ALWAYS favors the scum. Why? Because the scum know

exactly

what the person will flip, and so while the town muddles around deciding the most likely connections, the scum have a HUGE advantage in that they can suggest guaranteed mislynches. Therefore,

this whole "if he flips town, if he flips scum" strategy is inherently anti-town, in the same way that lining up lynches is also anti-town

. However, until you people realize this, I will continue to offer my best suggestions on who should and shouldn't be killed.

4.)

SO has just blatantly contradicted himself and it needs to be addressed. In his first big catch up post, he called SV out as one of the likely scum. However, a few posts ago he claims that he doesn't think SV is scum. Even though NO WHERE in his posts had he ever said that SV was appearing more town.

5.)

I didn't want to end on an even number.

[Haschel Cedricson]

2.)

Also, if SV flips scum,

I'd rather we no-kill.

I want time to see post-mortem interactions, as none of SV's connections are damning enough to merit a guaranteed second kill.

This makes a lot of sense, and I support it.

If SV flips town, I think Tragedy should be nightkilled. In addition to Tragedy's scummy play throughout the day, his post at the top of this page feels off to me.

[Umbrage]

I tentatively agree with Exe on the no-kill if SV is scum. But until he comes up with better reasoning than "Lol, no", I still feel I'm the best night executioner if SV is scum, as then I'll be dripping with townishness. Amrun is townish, yes, but she still took some persuading to want to kill SV over vezok. I've been pushing SV most of this game, if he's scum, I'm town.

[Twistedspoon]

2.)

Also, if SV flips scum,

I'd rather we no-kill.

I want time to see post-mortem interactions, as none of SV's connections are damning enough to merit a guaranteed second kill.

sounds like a plan :3

[Exe]

I've been pushing SV most of this game, if he's scum, I'm town.

Not true at all. You've also been pushing me, and Vezo, and Charter. Since I'm pretty sure the three of us are town, it'd be completely reasonable as scum to push for lynches of 3 townies and 1 scumbuddy for the EXACT reason that you can semi-confirm yourself if the scumbuddy slips.

And with how determined you are to point out that SV-scum confirms you town, that only makes me believe you less. A townie knows that being right about 1 scum does NOT confirm them town.

Oh, and add on the fact that you know that Charter and Vezo lynches weren't popular enough to go through, AND that SV is a wagon that opposes YOUR wagon...I mean, there's about a million reasons why scum would do EXACTLY what you're doing.

So as far as I am concerned, if SV flips scum, it doesn't say a whole lot about your alignment. It's not like SV-scum implies Umbrage-scum, but it also definitely doesn't leave you "dripping with townishness."

[Umbrage]

Since I'm pretty sure the three of us are town, it'd be completely reasonable as scum to push for lynches of 3 townies and 1 scumbuddy for the EXACT reason that you can semi-confirm yourself if the scumbuddy slips.

What the... that's not even a plan. You really think I'm distancing him? If that's the case, then why would I vote to kill him when vezok already had two votes on him?

Also, vezok was way more popular than SV. Now you're just making things up.

[Exe]

You really think I'm distancing him? If that's the case, then why would I vote to kill him when vezok already had two votes on him?

I'm not saying you're guaranteed to be scum if SV is scum. I'm not

accusing

you of distancing, I am just saying that it's a completely reasonable strategy and it'd be foolish to think that an SV-scum flip would confirm you town.

But your post here is another example of your favorite strategy. Strawman.
You're avoiding the

entire

point by arguing against one aspect of my post.
You're right in pointing out that the weakest part of my argument is that Vezo

might

have been a viable target for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that as a whole, my argument still points out that it's not accurate to say you're suddenly super pro-town if SV flips scum, because there are MANY ways in which that could easily be false.

You can keep arguing with me about this, but the thing is that you'd only be arguing for the sake of proving yourself town. Which is NOT something a townie needs to do.
Attempting to prove me wrong will do nothing to help you scumhunt, so you should ignore it and stop worrying about whether or not you are "dripping with towniness," because it's not pro-town to do so in the least.

[Exe]

Oh and, just to prove you wrong once again, I won Of Rogues & Curses Mafia,

as scum

because Zorblag (my scumbuddy) spent literally the entire beginning of the game pushing lynches on me & Xvart (our other scumbuddy).

So don't tell me that pushing the lynch of a scum, ESPECIALLY a single scum somehow makes you instantly town.

[Umbrage]

No, I attacked the foundation of your argument. That's not a strawman.

Look, if SV's scum, either you think I'm distancing SV, or I'm town. It's got to be one or the other, so what do you THINK?

[Exe]

No, I attacked the foundation of your argument. That's not a strawman.

No, you attacked ONE FACET of my argument. You did NOT attack the "foundation" of my argument. That IS strawman.

Look, if SV's scum, either you think I'm distancing SV, or I'm town. It's got to be one or the other, so what do you THINK?

No. Again, no.
First of all, I THINK that we should see what SV flips first.
Second of all, I THINK that regardless of if SV is scum, you may or may not be scum. I THINK that we should decide primarily based on whether YOUR ACTIONS HAVE BEEN SCUMMY.
And seeing as your actions

have

been scummy, I THINK that we shouldn't let you confirm yourself town just for pushing 1 lynch.

So that's what I THINK.

And what I KNOW, is that your desire to confirm yourself town based on speculation AND a shitty as fucking hell argument, is an incredibly anti-town pursuit.

[Final Fires]

Also: if we kill SV and he flips scum, I logically should be the one to have the NK, I've been pushing on him most of the game.

You've been advocating not lynching inactive players; you only changed this stance once it was a lurker or you being executed [Although, to be fair, Umbrage only used the stance on not lynching lurkers on SO. Tragedy, SV, and HC have been fair game throughout all of his posts.]. In one of your previous posts you listed all four lurkers as your suspects (including SO, who before you were very confident was town!); a huge change of play from your earlier attitude. Again, to be fair, you have thought Shattered is scummy, but that also does conflict with your don't lynch lurkers attitude. The fact that you directly asked for it concerns me a little too. No matter how SV flips, I would not want you to have the NK.

I still think Am is the best candidate to have the NK.

If SV flips scum Tragedy should die, and if SV flips scum StrungOver should die.

What is the logic behind this? I don't see how Tragedy or SO would look any scummier if SV flipped scum. Also, why are you suddenly for killing SO?

I've remembered why no-killing at night is so much better. Setting up lynches ALWAYS favors the scum. Why? Because the scum know exactly what the person will flip, and so while the town muddles around deciding the most likely connections, the scum have a HUGE advantage in that they can suggest guaranteed mislynches. Therefore, this whole "if he flips town, if he flips scum" strategy is inherently anti-town, in the same way that lining up lynches is also anti-town. However, until you people realize this, I will continue to offer my best suggestions on who should and shouldn't be killed.

This is actually a really good point. Plus, if we do have two potential night kills (one for ___ flipping town, the other for ____ flipping scum), which one do we make claim before the execution? We don't know how the person is going to flip, and so we wouldn't know which of them needed to claim.

[Umbrage]

I still hold that killing a lurker is anti-town. Attacking someone who can't defend themselves is scummy. I'm not going to repeat myself, I've explained all my scum reads in the past. Although I will say that I found SV scummy long before he started lurking.

This dependence on Amrun is not good for town, but if you're all too blind to see it, then I suppose I have no choice but to vote her.

I'm for killing SO if SV flips town because it fits with my dual scum list theory, I'll get a clearer picture of who's who. Besides, he's not exactly adding much to the game.

[Amrun]

So NOW you think SO is scum, Umbrage?

Tragedy's "scumhunting like me" post made me laugh. Scummiest post from her yet.

I am fine with no NK if SV flips scum.

[Tragedy]

Ya know I ain't really doing that, so yeah.
Sadly.

[mallowgeno]

Mallow is back

[Amrun]

Are you admitting you're not scumhunting, Tragedy?