Newbie 1066 (Game Over!)

[mozamis]

well, at least someone is really thinking about who scum is. Just wish you'd get on the right track tho

[RaudhrGarm]

Wow...you really went to a lot of effort to make that post.

[mozamis]

To clarfy: Bvoigts vote on me was not "completely random" as vordark keeps saying -he voted on me after Rg had. I accept there could be some confusion here as RG didnt vote properly (as Crazy pointed out.) So it seemed at the time that bvoigt was jumping on the bandwagon.
As an aside, bvoigt is now well down the list of my suspects.
But wanted to clear up any confusion that vordark may have created. His vote on me at that stage didnt seem random, thats why i thought it was scummy.

[mozamis]

oh, btw. I have mentioned this yet, but I'm new and I'm town.

[RaudhrGarm]

Yeah, my first post here was a joke. I thought it was obvious, but apparently not.

[bvoigt]

My first vote was a random bandwagon, if that makes any sense.

vordark, you make some good points, but...I don't know. I just don't get the feeling that mozamis is scum.

[RaudhrGarm]

Yeah, you wanted to see if anyone would jump on, which would either make them a negligent townie or scum.

[mozamis]

Yes i see that now bvoigt. I was just too sensitive about the whole RVs and made false assumptions/links based on...not a lot really.
On the Vordark thing, I still cant work out whether he is scum, in which case Bravo!-cos you build a convincing case Or whether is he is town with a bit of a grudge.
What worries me a tiny bit about vordark is this:

LETS ASSUME WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT VORDARK IS TOWN.
In which case, why the seemingly CERTAIN conviction I am scum. He makes no admission of doubts or possible other reasons for my behaviour.
That seems odd to me,because although some people here look a bit scummy, I am constantly aware of the need for reasonable doubt.
E. g i find NS a bit scummy. But maybe he is genuinely busy/bored of this game/has a cold/whatever.
Vordark seems to think "Moz is scum, and EVERYTHING he does is scummy".
Hopefully this isnt WIFOM. And hopefully people will know what I am getting at

[bvoigt]

But...let's assume that Vordark is scum. Then, unless you guys are scumbuddies, he actually knows you're town.

[mozamis]

Yes. It just seems a bit of a one dimensional tactic for scum. "Lets focus on one person and just keep hitting them hard". Is that a usual scum tactic? Since the bandwagon on me hasnt really got anywhere, I thought scum would change tack by now. But vordark keeps banging away

[RaudhrGarm]

Perhaps he just really hates you? I know someone like that on a different forum. Every game, they'd target me, and I could never figure out why...

[Vordark]

vordark, you make some good points, but...I don't know. I just don't get the feeling that mozamis is scum.

What possible basis do you have for this feeling? If Mozamis had even one other game under his belt he'd be the first one off the island. He is being cut way too much slack and only because he is new.

[mozamis]

you may have put your finger on it

[bvoigt]

@Vordark: I don't know exactly. Maybe it's just that he's not exactly staying in the background. True, both scum and town can post a lot, but it seems like something that town is more likely to do.

[Maxous]

@Mozamis and RaudharGarm: Can the two of you please state who are your biggest suspects and why?
I skimmed over Vordark's case against Mozamis here. I will look over it fully when I have a bit more time, it looks interesting.

But...let's assume that Vordark is scum. Then, unless you guys are scumbuddies, he actually knows you're town.

Are you suspicious of Vordark or something? This comment seems weird.

[mozamis]

Not sure of the order, but my top 3 suspects are Nobody Special, Vordark and...
You.

[Crazy]

Vote Count:

Vordark

(0)

RaudhrGarm

(1) - Maxous

TheWayItEnds

(1) - Thian

mozamis

(1) - Vordark

Thian

(1) - TheWayItEnds

bvoigt

(1) - RaudhrGarm

Trendall

(0)

Maxous

(0)

Nobody Special

(2) - bvoigt, mozamis

Not voting

(2) - Trendall, Nobody Special

With 9 alive, 5 votes will achieve a lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is

March 12th

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[Maxous]

@Mozamis: Can you explain/recap why you suspect all 3?

[bvoigt]

But...let's assume that Vordark is scum. Then, unless you guys are scumbuddies, he actually knows you're town.

Are you suspicious of Vordark or something? This comment seems weird.

Nah, I think Vordark is town. I was talking about the poor logic in post #232.

[RaudhrGarm]

@Maxous
I haven't really got a big suspect.
UNVOTE: bvoight

[mozamis]

A vote because he "holds a grudge"? So you're not voting for him because you think he is a mafia member? This coupled with no comments on suspicions of anybody leads me to think you don't need to find the mafia members.
'Lying low until suspicion blows over' also suggests your main concern is simply not being lynched rather than finding who should be lynched. Which suggests mafia to me.
VOTE: RaudhrGarm
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By the way the arguements of Thian vs Mozamis and TWIE look all town to me at this stage to be honest. That is to say I think they thier suspicions of eachother are genuine rather than faked.
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My suspicions of you arent that strong TBH. But it was that post i found a bit odd. YOur suspicions on RG seem unjustifed. To me, its clear that he was just annoyed at being voted at, and decided not to post for a bit. I just cant believe that a mafia would say "lying low to suspicion blows over", as Rg did.
I see your vote on RG as a "pressure the noob" tactcic.
And the next bit here you mention Thian, me and TWIE.
But no mention of the other main contributor to that debate: Vordark. Strange.

[mozamis]

Vordark seems overly zealous to lynch me. If he were genuinely town, I would have thought he would be more balanced in his scum hunting.

[mozamis]

Nobody Special for lurking, being vague and generally "blending in".
He is my main suspect i guess.
Lol on paper they all look quite weak!

[Thian]

That reasoning is weak, same as your vote on me, and then backing it up that it was out of spite more than believing in the vote that you are casting. As soon as I remove my vote from you, you remove your vote from me. Why is that mozamis?

[Thian]

because I wasn't targetting you anymore?