Newbie 1046: Game Over

[Zachrulez]

Yeah, Mass Claim.

I vote Haylen goes first.

[Haylen]

Well, I vote Zach goes first. >_> Yes, I'm being delibrately difficult. Again.

[Nobody Special]

I also vote Haylen goes first. NOW.

[hurristat]

I don't care, I'll start. I'm an ordinary citizen.

[Nocmen]

Haylen next

[hurristat]

oh, come on people, get some courage and just say it, the order doesn't matter.

the only stipulation is that anyone who claims cop should not post their results until everyone has claimed a role.

[Haylen]

*sigh*

I'm Vanilly.

[Haylen]

Zach next.

[Zachrulez]

Vanilla ice cream.

[Zachrulez]

Nocmen next.

[hurristat]

Just out of curiosity and for future reference (for further games on this site), why does the order of claiming matter as long as everyone does it?

[Nobody Special]

You generally want the scummiest players to claim first, so f they fakeclaim they can be counterclaimed. Just my opinion.

[Nocmen]

Vanilla as well.

Which leaves NS for last, though in hindsight I don't like him claiming last.

[Nobody Special]

I am a vanilla townie.

[Haylen]

So. The scum must be players whom claimed early in case they were counterclaimed.

*looks pointedly at Zach*

[hurristat]

that was a fail of a mass claim:
Okay, cop, you really should claim, so that way we can clear people. at this point we need to get a mafia, and if we don't lynch one the game's over. so losing the cop next night or losing the game.... i think I'd rather lose the cop, no offense to the cop.

the whole "have mafia claim first" makes no sense -- they're still going to be counterclaimed with somebody else, and as long as the cop doesn't reveal their reports, we're fine. so I don't see how the order matters at all

[Nobody Special]

So. The scum must be players whom claimed early in case they were counterclaimed.

*looks pointedly at Zach*

And the scum also pointedly declare other people as scum. It's okay, though, I think both you and Zach are scum. So we can lynch either today.

Vote: Zach

[Haylen]

that was a fail of a mass claim:
Okay, cop, you really should claim, so that way we can clear people. at this point we need to get a mafia, and if we don't lynch one the game's over. so losing the cop next night or losing the game.... i think I'd rather lose the cop, no offense to the cop.

Hurristat, only scum would know if we have a cop right now. Since they have prior information about the setup. I personally believe that we don't since anybody would have claimed cop by name.

The order is important as it stops the scummy people coming up with a fakeclaim when everyone else has claimed. The person who has been counterclaimed is always lynched, hence why a scum who claimed early couldn't come up with a fakeclaim. Thus why it Nobody Special is pretty much confirmed town to be atm.

[Haylen]

Interesting. No quickhammer.

[hurristat]

Hurristat, only scum would know if we have a cop right now. Since they have prior information about the setup. I personally believe that we don't since anybody would have claimed cop by name.

Oh, whoops, I thought all the setups had cops. -_-

The order is important as it stops the scummy people coming up with a fakeclaim when everyone else has claimed. The person who has been counterclaimed is always lynched, hence why a scum who claimed early couldn't come up with a fakeclaim. Thus why it Nobody Special is pretty much confirmed town atm.

I still don't understand this logic -- how is anyone who claims earlier less or more scummy than anyone who claims later? Nobody Special only claimed last because that's how it happened, it's not a reflection of reality, necessarily. Is voluntarily going early then a pro-town or pro-mafia thing then? I still don't understand the logic >.>

[Nobody Special]

Interesting. No quickhammer.

....which basically proves my point. (Almost.)

[Nocmen]

Hurristat, why are you so insisiting on there being a cop? The only people who know for certain if there is a cop are the cop, and scum. I don't believe that you would insist otherwise why there is a cop. Then again, if there is a cop, then they screwed up majorly by lying about their role.

[hurristat]

Hurristat, why are you so insisiting on there being a cop? The only people who know for certain if there is a cop are the cop, and scum. I don't believe that you would insist otherwise why there is a cop. Then again, if there is a cop, then they screwed up majorly by lying about their role.

Oh, whoops, I thought all the setups had cops. -_-

[Zachrulez]

Yeah.

Vote: Nobody Special

Lack of quick hammer means that there is scum within the two of us.

that was a fail of a mass claim:
Okay, cop, you really should claim, so that way we can clear people. at this point we need to get a mafia, and if we don't lynch one the game's over. so losing the cop next night or losing the game.... i think I'd rather lose the cop, no offense to the cop.

Hurristat, only scum would know if we have a cop right now. Since they have prior information about the setup. I personally believe that we don't since anybody would have claimed cop by name.

Yes

The order is important as it stops the scummy people coming up with a fakeclaim when everyone else has claimed. The person who has been counterclaimed is always lynched, hence why a scum who claimed early couldn't come up with a fakeclaim. Thus why it Nobody Special is pretty much confirmed town to be atm.

Craplogic. (The only situation where this logic would

even apply

does not apply to this game.)

[Zachrulez]

To clarify in the setup where the town has a doctor only, (the setup established via massclaim) this knowledge is already been possessed by the scum well before massclaim. In this scenario scum can plan and decide whether or not they want to fake claim cop WELL BEFORE massclaim even happens. The claim order does not matter in this setup.

The reason to establish an order is to force the scum to claim first if at all possible on the chance that we were in the cop+doc setup, where they would have to decide whether or not they wanted to fake claim BEFORE necessarily knowing who the cop was.

Haylen's argument in the 2nd paragraph assumes cop+doc which

isn't even in play.

Even if it was, it argues that NS is confirmed town because he didn't claim (fakeclaim?) a pr, which is junk as well.