Mafia 126 - Lovers Mafia! [Game Over]

[Nero Cain]

el oh el

[xRECKONERx]

Now, we wait two weeks for our mod to show up.

[Antihero]

If you want a better explanation (I'm sure the reasoning is in that post even if it is subtle) I saw Emp as one of my better scum picks but

Sila was the current wagon

and he

definitely

was scummy

enough to deserve the wagon, so I joined in.

Plus his posts after the fact where he's clearly ignoring what he said is awful.

I see something different in my point of view.

Hedging is scummy. Say what you mean and mean what you say, because I'm not getting the bolding stuff.

This thread needs more PrayPiotr and dramonic.

[Kise]

My QT could use some Pray as well. Just saying.

[Kise]

There we go.

Updated with the new players.

Get ready to update again.

[silavor]

There we go.

Updated with the new players.

Get ready to update again.

Is someone else replacing out now, too?

[Mariyta]

Did anyone PM the mod? I'm going to do it right now, anyway.

[EmpTyger]

Do not go by Tragedy's [1117]. The mod's votecounts have not been accurate. I already noted that Kcda wasn't selfvoting, it was Antihero who was voting him. And I know the mod missed one of my votes earlier in the game. I haven't had a chance to fully check.

Also, again:

Everyone cut/paste the pairings into their quicktopic.

Reckoner:

Because no NEW arguments have been made and you changed your mind.

First of all, there *was* new evidence: Kcda/Baby Spice's alignment.

But that's not my issue. My problem is that that's exactly what *you* did.
*You* were adamant that one of Reckoner/Kise were a liar.
*You* allegedly reread and reevaluated.
There weren't any NEW arguments when *you* flip flopped.

And now you say that that's suspicious.

[Mist7676]

Lemme do it. Silavor the mafia lover has died.
Charlie the mafia lover has. Commited suicide DAY 3!! nah just kidding. I hope they r mafia lovers.

[SensFan]

Silavor - 11 (Purple Orange, Reck, GreyICE, dramonic, Ashblade, vezokpiraka, Mariyta, Mist7676, Espeonage, EmpTyger, silavor)
Espeonage - 3 (Kise, Nero Cain, Tragedy)
Emptyger - 1 (Charlie)

Not Voting - 5 (PrayPiotr, Thingyman, werewolf555, Llamarble, AntiHero)

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Silavor has been lynched. He was a Town Lover.
Charlie commits suicide. He was a Town Lover.

[Mariyta]

Well, that was some epic fail on Silavor's part.

[GreyICE]

NICE WAY TO FAILBOAT

Antihero, I owe you a good sheeping, despite BOTH halves of the pair claiming Baby Spice as lovers, they somehow flipped town. Tell me who I'm voting today.

[Purple Orange]

This thread needs more PrayPiotr and dramonic.

And a replacement for Thingyman, who's been the one gone the longest, and somehow never received one of the replacement players.

Finally went through and nailed this down:

He didn't get a wagon run up against him? I swear I've seen more than two Silavor votes. I know he was on my scumdar just waaayyyy under kcda/bs and q21/Umbrage (who, to be fair, flipped town, but my god I really dislike what they did to this thread).

The only people to ever vote for either of the pair before Day 3 were myself, Reck, q21, dramonic, and llamarble.

Silv/Haylen never had a wagon on them. Theoretically, they had three votes on them at once early during day 1 (between posts 184 and 198), if you combine the votes on Haylen and on silv. But otherwise, they've had a grand total of two at once max. Yesterday, the most they had at once was one. I'll have to go through again and see if anyone even moderately agreed with the suspicion but did NOT vote -- from what I remember, however, most everyone just ignored them.

Do not go by Tragedy's [1117]. The mod's votecounts have not been accurate. I already noted that Kcda wasn't selfvoting, it was Antihero who was voting him. And I know the mod missed one of my votes earlier in the game. I haven't had a chance to fully check.

Sens apparently confused you with Espy, saw double, and removed you from the lineup completely in post 265. (I got distracted and cataloged everything last night. )

Also,

WHY

DON'T YOU THINK ONE OF THEM HAS TO BE LYING ANYMORE? You were ridiculously adamant about this point, and I don't see how Kcdaspice's alignment flip changes any of that.

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silavor - DAMMIT, MAN! When you didn't mention the werewolves as having to be found, plus self-hammered, you seriously got my hopes up.

[vezokpiraka]

Epic fail.

Let's lynch llamarble now.

[vezokpiraka]

Or emptyger.

[GreyICE]

Oh for fuck's sake, vezok is scum.

[Purple Orange]

...Holy Moses, he probably is.

Kise, if he flips werewolf-mafia, you win...my interpretation of your system has yelled "lynch vezok, you idiots!" since Day 2. My own train of thought lands me on vezok, but mostly because he looks like the best remaining explanation for the kcda trainwreck. :/ (Well, and his day 3 and 4 posts are...ungood).

[Purple Orange]

Huh. Feel like I'm voting on impalpable theories at the moment, though, so I want to doublecheck to see if it actually pans out. It looks like too easy an answer.

Also - Grey! Why the change of heart on vezok for you?

[GreyICE]

Reading Vezok is NEARLY impossible. The problem is that his overwhelming motive is survival. He'll happily tell you himself how rarely he gets NKed, and he tries to avoid lynches in whatever manner he can.

Once he gets a little comfortable, he starts to release these little scum and town tells that he has. That's usually one of his scum tells.

The problem is if I move him too high on the focus list he just pulls a "VEZOKPIRAKA WILL SURVIVE" bullshit dive for cover, which is really just a null tell, and then you have to lynch him because he's entirely useless.

[GreyICE]

I mean seriously, this sounds horrible that I put him as null or town just to make him comfortable, but you have no idea how hard it is to read the scummy unreadable shit.

[Purple Orange]

I had him as town Day 2 because he was providing about 10x the content and definite positions of other comparable lurkers. You have no idea how much of a pleasant surprise it was to read his ISO after slogging through kcda, wolf, and Haylen. I was like, "ZOMG, position! And another position! ZOMG, a bad argument, but it's an argument!" He was the ONLY lurker of that sort who actually seemed to keep some grasp on what was happening in the game and how it was progressing, and be making a substantive comment now and then about it.

I'm mostly going out of theoretical arguments, associative arguments, and some iffy deduction when it comes to him, though, which is why a vote for him feels so darn baseless, even if it isn't.

You've played with him before - does he usually keep up this well in complicated and long games?

[Purple Orange]

Oh, and vezok!

The other people I find town for now. Even GreyICE.

Why do you find Grey Ice town now? What changed your mind?

^This?

[Antihero]

NICE WAY TO FAILBOAT

Antihero, I owe you a good sheeping, despite BOTH halves of the pair claiming Baby Spice as lovers, they somehow flipped town. Tell me who I'm voting today.

*pats back*

analysis of bad wagons can be very informative. I just need to sit down and do it sometime (hopefully later today).

BTW silavor, don't ever do that again as town.

Vezok is starting to act like he did in 7p vengeful, but I can't read him because (like grey pointed out) he's purposefully making himself unreadable.

Reading Vezok is NEARLY impossible. The problem is that his overwhelming motive is survival. He'll happily tell you himself how rarely he gets NKed, and he tries to avoid lynches in whatever manner he can.

Once he gets a little comfortable, he starts to release these little scum and town tells that he has. That's usually one of his scum tells.

The problem is if I move him too high on the focus list he just pulls a "VEZOKPIRAKA WILL SURVIVE" bullshit dive for cover, which is really just a null tell, and then you have to lynch him because he's entirely useless.

You know what the beauty of this game is?

If one person is unreadable, look to the lover for another possible read.

Lemme do it. Silavor the mafia lover has died.
Charlie the mafia lover has. Commited suicide DAY 3!! nah just kidding. I hope they r mafia lovers.

OK, you've already commited the "well, that sucks" tell (I let it go, because it might not apply here), and now this?
There are three scum couples left in the game, who do you think they are?

P. Edit:

@PO: You're using the phrases "vezok" and "keep up well" in the same sentence? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Antihero]

Oh, and a fun exercise.

Emptyger "wagon" - Antihero, Charlie, Llama, GreyICE,

vezok

(nonvote),

mist

, Ashblade (nonvote)
Silavor lynch - Purple Orange, Reck, GreyICE, dramonic, Ashblade,

vezokpiraka

, Mariyta,

Mist7676

, Espeonage, EmpTyger, silavor

[vezokpiraka]

Yes I do.

In most of my scum games I lost because I slipped. Like really bad. REALLY REALLY bad. Like fakeclaiming s dead scum.

As town I get till LyLo or get lynched quick.

It's hard to avoid a lynch here because there are no NKes and people have no intention of leaving a wagon. Also because it's a normal game I can't get confirmed town to escape the lynch.