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[Hiraki]

Good point. Forgot you were a tracker. I'm going to be busy for the next few days, but by the weekend, I should get my view on this game straight.

[subgenius]

@bvoigt
I agree with you about Barry. He has a knack for finding himself snuggly in the middle of the biggest wagons. It's been mentioned many times, Barry plays very cautiously. I can't really decide if this is scummy or not. Add this to his strange counter-wagon defense, his refusal to outright say that he was accusing anyone of being scum by calling it a counter-wagon, yet claiming credit for scum hunting by labeling it a counter-wagon and a sense that he goes out of his way to avoid possible scum tells, and I'm quite suspicious of Barry.

As far as penpen goes... I just don't know. I'm leaning towards VI, but that hammer from yesterday was reckless. I'm not second guessing the GreyICE lynch, but I'm not sure penpen even realized he was casting the killing vote. Also, the fact that he's blaming his vote on Zito is troubling. He's looking very easily manipulated, which will become more and more of a liability as the town:scum ratio becomes worse. So, my opinion is that he's dangerous to town, but I'm not convinced he's scum. I don't know what to do about it, but I need to see more before I think lynching is the answer.

I'm starting to feel a bit better about Rob's town cred, although I think his insistence on keeping his vote on Hiraki is retarded as hell.

My only other thoughts are that I really want to hear more from Bill and mozamis today, because I have very little read on either one of them, and I need to do a re-read with a more critical eye towards EA and Papa Zito. I think both of them skated through D1 with very little attention, and I need to make sure it was deserved.

[RobCapone]

yeah voting my top FOS is retarded

[subgenius]

*shrug* You seem absurdly tunneled imo, but that's just me. I think at one point you vowed to never move your vote from Hiraki, which seems crazy to me. Anyhow, I don't think it's scummy, just weird.

Forgot you were a tracker.

This is either a town tell or a damn devious scum trick.

[Erratus Apathos]

I see rob now as being as PRO Town as Papa Zito and everyone knows papa zito is pro town.

So penpen, what made you think Zito was protown when you said this yesterday? What made you think Zito knew GreyICE was town, and why did you follow him onto GreyICE if that was the case?

Anyway, on GreyIce obvious suspect seems to be PenPen for dropping the hammer.

And dropping the hammer is suspicious how?

[penpen]

Speaking of content I wonder why Papa Zito hasn't posted yet?

Well since we have time please go back and find the questions you were asked and answer them

Kthx

Sure

PenPen, now that you've voted someone, what are you going to do?

investigate and stuff

Pen, you were asked why you unvoted me also why are you voting barry
without a reason?

I unvoted you because you where no longer under suspicion at that time.

Barry was a random vote.

[penpen]

I see rob now as being as PRO Town as Papa Zito and everyone knows papa zito is pro town.

So penpen, what made you think Zito was protown when you said this yesterday? What made you think Zito knew GreyICE was town, and why did you follow him onto GreyICE if that was the case?

Posts Like These:

OH HAI PENPEN

Top 3 scum plz

Holy wtf.

I want to make sure this is captured on film.

Erratus Apathos (6): RobCapone, Ashblade, GreyICE, Bill McQuill, Barry Allen, wikkiden
RobCapone (1): Erratus Apathos
Hiraki (1): subgenius
GreyICE (1): Hiraki

Not voting: mockingjaye, Papa Zito, Snake Eyes, Hayker

So Erratus is town yay let's move on.

Who sucks the most on that wagon?

Your admission that you didn't vote to start Day 1 was silly at best, given that the game consensus was that it was likelier that scum players would want to delay the start. I'm thinking there's a decent enough chance that you're simply ballsy, and thought you'd be able to deflect the resulting attention into pressure on somebody else.

ITP Bill argues against an Erratus vote and votes him anyway. lulz

VOTE: Bill McQuill

Whatever, I don't know how to explain it but subgenius is town.

I find this a very interesting statement.

Hay Erratus, do you find this an interesting statement?

Actually, better question: Subgenius, do you think the same thing about bvoigt?

No worries GreyICE, all will become clear.

And now for a comparitive study.

Erratus Apathos (6):

RobCapone

,

Ashblade

,

GreyICE

,

Bill McQuill

, Barry Allen, wikkiden
subgenius (L-2):

GreyICE

,

Ashblade

,

RobCapone

, Barry Allen,

Bill McQuill

RobCapone, Ashblade, GreyICE, Bill McQuill

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFff too many sheep BUT it's another strike against ol' Bill.

Accusations was the wrong word, you made statements without suporting

1. EA is town
2. If mocking is scum, I must be turbolynched
3. You thinking subs is scum yet you avoid voting him
4. You declare mocking scum

Why are you so worried about this. (#3 no longer applies btw)

Here is what caused me to vote for GREYICe:

ICe ahs already said he wont say anthing els.e

so

GUSY it's page 28 which is longer than some other games here let's hamemr this ok? ok

What is your opinion of Ice mis-repping himself and posting skewed information to prove his point

Vote:Erratus Apathos

It ain't march yet chill.

And what are the questions people have for me?

aer you kididing with this

EA is town

bad vote is bad

Peer Pressure is a Bitch

[mozamis]

Anyway, on GreyIce obvious suspect seems to be PenPen for dropping the hammer.

And dropping the hammer is suspicious how?

Thats why i said it was obvious. Maybe too obvious. But surely the last person to vote has to be a bit suspect? If I were scum, i know i would be quite keen to make sure a townie was lynched ASAP.
You don't find it suspicious then?

[RobCapone]

I can play the wifom game too, I typically don't hammer as scum unless it's the enc of the game hammer like I did in a newbie game. Hammering d1 on someone you know is going to flip town takes a bold person IMO

Now if we have 2 scum groups, right now only scum knows if we have more than 1 or not, I'd probably be more willing to hammer if I thought I caught one of the other scum.

But we don't know if we have 2 mafia, mafia and SK, or mafia and vig

so until then the hammer alone isn't enough. Right now is when pressuring lurkers comes in handy

Bill and Barry come to mind in addition to penpen.

Barry always has some excuse which may be real but if it was and he was town he should just replace out. Bill has no real excuse and pen is the VI ATM

[mozamis]

completely fair comment. pepnpen may have just been following the herd as he (effectively) said. But i'm gonna keep my vote on him until we get some more info.

[RobCapone]

Just posting that Hiraki's comment about "forgetting" I'm tracker is scummy, you don't forget that especially when that's why he backed off my wagon

Subs recent comments towards me, rubs me wrong and I can't quite put my finger on it but I still feel he has a good chance of being scum

that being said, Bill's last post was 6 days ago, a good 48 hours before the day ended and this day has been open for more than 24 and still nothing.

Barry is limited but atleast he has an official V/LA notice with the mod (

@ mod the dates on Barry's V/LA are wrong on your last vote count

)

That's how we do it in Europe, dude. Jk (well, this IS is how we do it in Europe but that's not how I meant to post it), it's fixed now.

right now I'd be find with a lynch of any of these people, especially hiraki.

[mozamis]

nah surely if you were scum you'd be too paranoid to say "i forgot you were tracker"? Unless as sub said its a "damned devious ploy".
gut feeling is that hiraki is telling the truth there, although as my gut is full of sausages atm, could be wrong

[Papa Zito]

Grey, you and I are gonna have to talk post-game.


I'm reeeeeally hoping Ashblade was a vig shot, because a vig would be welcomed re: penpen.

Also re: penpen, I had no idea I was so persuasive while drunk.


So, let's hit scum today. VOTE: Bill McQuill who

still

has yet to post anything.


P.S. Who is that in your avatar, mozamis?

[mozamis]

she is the gorgeous Louise Wener of Britpop 90's band Sleeper
Umm i mean she is my girlfriend honest

[Papa Zito]

She is cute.

The hammer was bad, but not because it was the hammer, but because of how he pre-emptively attempted to shift blame for it onto me ('happy now, Zito?') and then continued that thread of thought into today, which tells me penpen may have had prior knowledge of what was going to happen.

[RobCapone]

Good point, definitly something I have seen scum do before

[mozamis]

Yeah not sure tho. Penpen does seem a bit defensive. But looking at events before the hammer, Zito says "Its p28...lets hammer this thing.."
Then after that PenPen votes for EA. Then PapaZ says "Are yu kidding, EA is town?". Then PenPen changes his mind.
Maybe he was just pissed off with PapaZ's pressurising.
(ps i know how to quote-but how do u do multiple quotes? Ah maybe save as draft?)
And PapaZ, did u want PenPen to hammer, or just to get his vote off EA?

[subgenius]

I'm reeeeeally hoping Ashblade was a vig shot, because a vig would be welcomed re: penpen.

Uh... How do you know SE wasn't a vig shot?

VOTE: Papa Zito

[RobCapone]

The problem I have is how can anyone be sure of anyone's status

if anything EA loses his town points (not that he had any anyway) for declaring Ice would flip scum. While I agree I thought ice would flip, it was a comment like that, which can be convincing to get people to vote/hammer him

Not to mention he got awfully defensive pre-game when I called him out

going to re-read the death scenes now.

@zito - did you think ash was scummy?

Also, list your top 2 FOS's and why

[RobCapone]

Sucks, nothing at all other than the note next to ashblade
Snake looks more like a vig kill than ash does, do Zito why do you say ash was the vig kill and not vice versa?

mod- personally I feel like we deserve more flavor with the kills, but it's just my opinion

The flavor is how it's supposed to be and not subject to change.

[mozamis]

ah! thats what hiraki meant by no flavor love! one of the great mysteries solved lol

[subgenius]

Zito why do you say ash was the vig kill and not vice versa?

That's an interesting question, but I think the better question is why someone would pose the question without mentioning any possibility that Snake Eyes was vigged?

[Papa Zito]

And PapaZ, did u want PenPen to hammer, or just to get his vote off EA?

Memory is fuzzy but I certainly object to anyone voting EA.

I was ready for a hammer in general so I didn't really care who did it.

if anything EA loses his town points (not that he had any anyway) for declaring Ice would flip scum. While I agree I thought ice would flip, it was a comment like that, which can be convincing to get people to vote/hammer him

Wat does this mean.

Zito why do you say ash was the vig kill and not vice versa?

That's an interesting question, but I think the better question is why someone would pose the question without mentioning any possibility that Snake Eyes was vigged?

I had a solid town read on Snake Eyes and I don't remember anyone else mentioning a scum read on him, so he'd be a fantastically poor choice for a vig. (Assumption here is the vig is competent of course)

Ashblade on the other hand was coasting quite a bit Day 1 and didn't contribute terribly much. Given the flip I guess he was either having an off game or is just a slow starter but yes I did have him on my scum list and he makes a lot of sense as a vig shot to me.

Rob, my top two should be pretty obvious at the moment since I'm voting Bill and just talked about friend penpen so much.

[RobCapone]

Zito why do you say ash was the vig kill and not vice versa?

That's an interesting question, but I think the better question is why someone would pose the question without mentioning any possibility that Snake Eyes was vigged?

That will be up to zito to answer I guess.

[Papa Zito]

That will be up to zito to answer I guess.

dun dun dun?