Raviann wrote:Xvart- You're questions have become tiresome and boring.
You may dislike being asked repeatedly to justify your position but you’ve never clearly answered about your initial ASOIAF vote. Chronology once again –
At ISO 6 you vote ASOIAF with no support. It is simply a vote only post.
At ISO 7 you question ASOIAF over liking Benmage’s posts and whether she agreed with his VI policy lynch stance. This is the ONLY element of the post you question.
At ISO 8 you ask me to comment on ASOAIF. After that I give my thought that her post was agreeable to a fault and could be indicative of Newb scum.
At ISO 9 – Suddenly you address the whole post of ASOAIF. Now suddenly it is in your words “too agreeable and nice too”. That’s a clear piggy-back off of my response.
Also, despite your dislike of questions I’m going to AGAIN ask you to answer the following one –
MoI wrote:What Pro-Town reason do you have for asking, other than to make sure you aren’t on the chopping block? Keeping the possibility of further shots obscure helps Town as it withholds information from scum.
The this you were asking, of course, had to do with whether Cow had further Day Vig shots.
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xvart wrote:And I know diddin knows this because
in CoK I was on a team with diddin
and I pushed hard on danakillsu D1 (accidentally) and when dana flipped Lannister the next day I was given a lot of not-Lannister cred because of that push.
Please explain the bolded again. Diddin was Town (Sandor Clegane) in that game. Your teammates were Maclock, danakillsu, and I doubt it.
xvart wrote:At the time I wasn't ruling out either as scum, but now that I realized I missed a post by Ghostlin (which made the subsequent posts I referenced make more sense) I think it is likely that Ghostlin is town. I think bunnylover is scum.
If you think Ghostlin is Town why is your vote still on him as of this post?
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Twilight-Mina wrote:I'm not sure if I should be combing through ISOs looking for connections to diddin, or answering every single point that anyone has made against us.
If you were Town you know the answer and showed that you do in Clash – you would be scum-hunting. I absolutely refused to give you the “Mina is waffling” pass. You are too good a player to get away with it any longer here on MS.
Twilight-Mina wrote:However, the next person who says, "A Sotty, Mina, and hitogoroshi hydra would be MUCH more protown than this" gets throttled through their computer screen.
Please give me your thoughts on Thor then. He’s argued against that argument in relation to your slot but used it to back up his defense against my suspicions himself.
Twilight-Mina wrote:It is fucking unfair to penalize them because my name is in the sig, under the logic that three non-VIs > two > one.
It is also unfair to expect three experienced players to have more trouble keeping up with a thread than single players, some of whom are not experienced. I understand outside circumstances affect this (Sotty being sick, your V/LA) but hito had admittedly neglected this game for [REDACTED].
Twilight-Mina wrote:The ironic thing is that I personally would have been bolder in moving my vote had I actually BEEN scum, because I could confidently push any logical-sounding case without worrying if it contradicted my other heads' reads.
Self provided scum meta isn’t useful and you know it.
Twilight-Mina wrote:So all the lazy paranoia over Sotty-hito-Mina being scummy for not being the towniest player in the game is really getting on my nerves. hito put a shitload of effort into his ISO extravaganza posts while two of us were away, and I feel terrible for him that people are reading them with scum-coloured glasses.
You know very well that Effort does not equal Alignment. It bit you in the ass in Clash regarding me. I’ve already expressed my reservations with the actual content of the ISO spectacular.
Twilight-Mina wrote: For the record, the most likely scum on my wagon is Zdenek (will explain more in another post), but I see-saw back and forth on Magna because the towntells and the scumtells counterbalance each other. (And yes, I have been probing you to see what turns up, because that's what townies do to players they're unsure of; hell, 90% of my town game is asking random people questions. What happened to treating every player who BUDDIED you as a scumtell?)
Please indicate who is buddying me that I haven’t called on that fact. This falls into the further category of soft attacks.
Furthermore I understand clearly that Townies probe players whose alignment they are unsure of. I do it myself and find it funny you think you need to lecture me on that point. What I have problems with is the manner in which your slot (Sotty mainly, and to some degree both you and hito) has gone about said probing. It strikes me as not honest scum-hunting. Thus my comments.
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Twilight-hito wrote:Scum are less likely to realize that scum would not kill members of their own faction.
You are trying to frame the issue in the incorrect direction. You’re scummy for pre-emptively answering a question aimed at another player in an attempt to gain “Town Cred” with your response.
Twilight-hito wrote:Why would I need a case?
Because you just stating things without support isn’t credible given the general scum-read many players have on you.
Twililght-hito wrote: It wasn't a true argument, it was just random trolling, and I'm of the mindset (apparently the only one) that scum are more primed to be unhelpful to the town and thus more likely to troll.
Yes you probably are the only one of that mind-set because fundamentally it makes ZERO sense. Scum generally don’t want to stand out they want to blend it, especially less experienced scum who don’t have a meta repository to fall back on like other ‘outrageous’ players.
Twilight-hito wrote:They didn't all support policy lynches, but that is his main stand. Take out the policy lynching and there isn't much to Ben at that point; certainly not enough to explain liking his posts. The contradiction isn't that she must support policy lynches on VI's; the contradiction is that missing that information, she shouldn't have found Benmage to be townie and raise-worthy.
I disagree. There is plenty of other discussion and questioning going on in his ISO than just strictly policy lynch material.
Twilight-hito wrote:It's not fence sitting, it's lack of omniscience. Locke is pretty much confirmed town, although he could be a serial killer. We'll be able to make a better judgement as the game goes on. Do you think differently?
No I think that’s a valid assessment regarding Locke. But it more or less goes without saying. Unless someone challenges you on a changed Locke read Day 1 to Day 2 there isn’t any reason to state what I consider to be the obvious. Which is why I find your catch-up suspect. Your slot is under pressure. What’s a common misconception – that trying hard means you are Town. You made a large, all encompassing post with many reads that didn’t say anything out of the ordinary and picked three fairly popular / easy targets as your scum reads. Is it possible that’s a Town post? Sure, but just as possible in my eyes it could be a Scum post trying to buy cred with volume.
Twilight-hito wrote:I said that I'm mostly deferring the read of you to those two. If you think that it was the first act of a drifting away from the stated suspicion, why the hell didn't you wait to see what Sotty/Mina posted?
1. I never said it was the first act of distancing. That’s a nice little mis-rep there. I also attack Sotty for similar behavior when she eventually backtracked on her “Benmage raise doesn’t make sense” line of attack.
2. The issue is that your “MoI always reads as scummy” stance looks manufactured. You didn’t address it very significantly at all Day 1 in a way I find meaningful, which I would have expected if I were obv-scum for my playstyle. All I got from you was a little lecture about playing nice with GreyICE.
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LMP wrote:B. Feysal is playing like Feysal scum to me. His focus on Raivann in particular, but his play yesterday in regards to diddin as well.
Elaborate on what makes up Feysal-scum to your meta eyes. I have some limited ideas but I know you have much more direct experience than I do.
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Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.
