Newbie 1046: Game Over

[Haylen]

Well, me, Hurristat and Nocman can't be scum together.

[Nobody Special]

Obviously, because there's only two scum.

I'm telling you, it's Haylen + Zach.

[Zachrulez]

Well, me, Hurristat and Nocman can't be scum together.

One scum in you/hurri/nocmen

All pairings within you/hurri/nocmen are impossible.

[hurristat]

so we should probably lynch either Zach or NS then?

[Nocmen]

That's what it seems like today. I'm going to look at both of them in depth, though there isn't really much to go off of for NS.

[GLaDOS]

Day Four Vote Count #1

1 Nobody Special (Zachrulez)
1 Zachrulez (Nobody Special)

With

5

alive it takes

3

to lynch. Deadline is March 20 at 2:30 PM CST.

Not Voting - 3 - Haylen, hurristat, Nocmen

[Nocmen]

Just something of note before I leave again for an appointment:

I'm growing more suspicious of hurristat, because that's his second time I could see him as rolefishing in this game. Not sure if he assumed wrong or just said that as a cover up.

[hurristat]

If I were mafia, I would know what the setup was. I obviously don't.

[Haylen]

That's called WIFOM. And we all know what the setup is now, since nobody has claimed PR.

[Haylen]

OMG, IT'S FREAKY PLAYING A NEWBIE GAME WITH THIS AVATAR. /offtopic.

[Nocmen]

I think the scum are hurri and either Zach/NS.

[hurristat]

Whatever, if you really enjoy losing that much, go ahead and lynch me.

[Nocmen]

Hurri, what are your reads then? Youve made little comments today besides the possiblity of a cop and WIFOM.

As mentioned, it comes down to one scum between NS and Zach, and the other in hurri/Haylen. I can't get a good read on NS and I don't feel comfortable voting there yet today. Zach is suspicious with his vote too, because of how he interacted with Haylen earlier, compared to his vote now.

Then again, could we have the Zach/NS pairing? I think that's still possible with the votes that were cast, but I'm not certain about that.

I really don't like Zach's 524 though. But I agree with his mention of Haylen's post, as I don't see anyhting confirming NS as town at all. Though Zach, why do you think that Haylen assumed there was a cop+doc setup? I don't see that in her post.

And then hurri/Haylen. I don't like hurri's assumptions of the cop+doc setup, on top of his role fishing. That's what makes him stand out to me the most right now.

[hurristat]

I honestly thought that there was a cop in each setup, I thought there were two setups with the types of mafia changing, not also the town PRs changing as well. And I did intentionally role fish today, because if we lose, it won't matter anyways.

Right now we should probably focus on NS/Zach. I can't really make a judgment there, until NS posts more, so right now I think it's probably NS.
Of you and Haylen, it's probably you.

[Zachrulez]

I really don't like Zach's 524 though. But I agree with his mention of Haylen's post, as I don't see anything confirming NS as town at all. Though Zach, why do you think that Haylen assumed there was a cop+doc setup? I don't see that in her post.

I was saying that her logic was based on claim/counterclaim dilemas for scum that only exist in cop+doc scenario and that it's junk because it doesn't even apply to this game. (And it's arguably junk anyway.)

This is not the first time you've mis attributed something I've said. I also see you being pretty noncommittal in general to me vs NS, and it makes me think you're the likely buddy.

As for Hurristat, he strikes me as likely town at this point. Your grilling of him over his certainty of there being a cop is just silly. It would have prudence if it turned out that we actually did have a cop claim, as that would imply scum based role knowledge, but the fact that his assertion was wrong shows more of an ignorance to the setup in play more than anything else which points to town. (It's possible he's acting, but I think it's very unlikely.)

Haylen's been tunneled on me for most of the game since I've replaced in, and if she was scum, I would expect more hedging from her building to this point in the game, so I'm finding it hard to see her as scum.

Looking through Deer's ISO I see very little. Lots of one line jabs on players, and suspicions that shifted with the wind. He never explained his reads or offered any kind of analysis beyond who he was voting for. He would never explain the progression of his suspicions from one player to another. He votes for Nikitakit for being cautious (and lurking which is quite rich considering his overall contribution.) and shifts his vote with little insight to Hurristat for the same reason. Never explains why Hurristat's cautious play is more scummy than Nikitakit, he just moves his vote on similar reasoning. (I'm also noting the softer push on the Nikitakit slot now.)

We get to Nobody Special, and he's actually provided even less... if that's even possible. He hasn't bothered to explain a single read, he just came in, and declared Haylen and I scum. Didn't explain any of his reads. Didn't explain his neutral read on Hurristat. Even more to the point didn't elaborate on Hurristat's play or give any indication that he had looked into Hurri's play beyond the declaration. It's just a vague suspicion list that feels like it's going with the flow.

So yeah. Nobody Special/Nocmen, and I'm confident that wins the game for town.

[Nocmen]

I really don't like Zach's 524 though. But I agree with his mention of Haylen's post, as I don't see anything confirming NS as town at all. Though Zach, why do you think that Haylen assumed there was a cop+doc setup? I don't see that in her post.

I was saying that her logic was based on claim/counterclaim dilemas for scum that only exist in cop+doc scenario and that it's junk because it doesn't even apply to this game. (And it's arguably junk anyway.)

This is not the first time you've mis attributed something I've said. I also see you being pretty noncommittal in general to me vs NS, and it makes me think you're the likely buddy.

As for Hurristat, he strikes me as likely town at this point. Your grilling of him over his certainty of there being a cop is just silly. It would have prudence if it turned out that we actually did have a cop claim, as that would imply scum based role knowledge, but the fact that his assertion was wrong shows more of an ignorance to the setup in play more than anything else which points to town. (It's possible he's acting, but I think it's very unlikely.)

Haylen's been tunneled on me for most of the game since I've replaced in, and if she was scum, I would expect more hedging from her building to this point in the game, so I'm finding it hard to see her as scum.

Looking through Deer's ISO I see very little. Lots of one line jabs on players, and suspicions that shifted with the wind. He never explained his reads or offered any kind of analysis beyond who he was voting for. He would never explain the progression of his suspicions from one player to another. He votes for Nikitakit for being cautious (and lurking which is quite rich considering his overall contribution.) and shifts his vote with little insight to Hurristat for the same reason. Never explains why Hurristat's cautious play is more scummy than Nikitakit, he just moves his vote on similar reasoning. (I'm also noting the softer push on the Nikitakit slot now.)

We get to Nobody Special, and he's actually provided even less... if that's even possible. He hasn't bothered to explain a single read, he just came in, and declared Haylen and I scum. Didn't explain any of his reads. Didn't explain his neutral read on Hurristat. Even more to the point didn't elaborate on Hurristat's play or give any indication that he had looked into Hurri's play beyond the declaration. It's just a vague suspicion list that feels like it's going with the flow.

So yeah. Nobody Special/Nocmen, and I'm confident that wins the game for town.

Where was this misattribution?

[Zachrulez]

Read the first paragraph of that post again.

[Nocmen]

And I still don't see where i'm misatributing you. I asked for an explanation, which you provided in that first paragraph.

[Zachrulez]

You're saying that I think she assumed cop+doc. I don't think that at all.

[Nocmen]

Haylen's argument in the 2nd paragraph assumes cop+doc which

isn't even in play.

...Oh?

[Zachrulez]

I have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

Just because she made an argument based on one assumption doesn't mean I'm saying she thinks that's the setup we're in. (She's even acknowledged that there's no cop.) I'm saying that she kept arguing on, even though the thought process of her argument started at a different foundation. Haylen's actually pretty well known for not letting logic get in the way of arguing some kind of messed up point...

[Nocmen]

I'm not saying that I disagree with what you mentioned about Haylen.

Though what I am saying is that 543 directly contradicts post 524.

[Zachrulez]

She made an argument based on it, that doesn't mean she thinks it. It's an argument with a bad basis. One does not necessarily lead to the other.

[Nobody Special]

This thread needs more Haylen.

And more me, but I'm posting now.

I'm still convinced it's zach/Haylen.

[Haylen]

I was trying to take into account all of the possible setups when I wrote that.