Can you clarify this - is any of this about me or is it all referring to miku? If it's me, can you clarify what you're referring to (and use the correct pronouns - all this referring to me as "he" is confusing.)kast wrote:Setael- Low content. I didn't like the initial case on Mikujin, but his abrupt abandoning of his stated position/beliefs in response to the threat of pressure seemed like scum appeasement. A lot of his arguments felt like misunderstandings without interest in clearing them up.
Terrible jab.Setael, 1371 wrote:Where's nexus? He's plenty active in the game he's nodding that I'm in.
Woah. I really don't like this quote. At all. Fishing out relations with other players? Have to think on this some more.Twilight Sparkle, 1402 wrote:@LMP:We’re your third biggest scum read. How much of it is associative with Feysal?
But it gives you the perfect opportunity to throw in a (weak) bus since it won't go anywhere or do anything because of Benmage's declaration.Setael, 1420 wrote:Nothing I say about BL at this point makes it a vote-worthy casetoday, since Benmage has declared he'd govern her lynch. That doesn't stop me from pointing out what I find suspicious and certainly isn't a waste of time when it can be looked back at later.
Did you not understand my point? Please explain what about it you find weak and forced. And the "follow up" discussion was an attempt to get a better read on whether she's faking it or not. Your "while not voting" thrown in there is sheeping MoI's argument that was terrible in the first place. In what alternate universe would it make ANY sense for me to be voting BL right now instead of Feysal?xvart wrote:I think Setael's 1327 push on Bunnylover is weak and forced, looking only at mannerism and not content. And the follow up discussion about VI/number of games played is just bad. Nitpicking trivial stuff while not voting. If BunnyLover flips scum I'd bet Setael is scum too.
You were my #2 scum suspect when I first read the thread. When I wanted to unvote Feysal, that was the logical place for me to put my vote. I thought you'd be back right away. Looking back I see you posted that you'd be V/LA almost a full week which I'd forgotten about.Nexus wrote:#1249 Setael votes for me, on Thursday, to "welcome me back" from my v/la. I was on v/la until last night/today. So,he basically found somewhere to park [her] vote for four days without having to do anything.he's read the entire thread, and that's [her] complete thoughts? "I'll vote someone who isn't here, ignore the important issues, and carry on" Rather scummy.
It had nothing to do with a declared V/LA (which I didn't realize/had forgotten had a specific end date and I thought was over.) I explained that post here:#1371 Setael attempts to deflect any and all suspicion to me, just because I've got a declared v/la.
Now that you're back, can you respond to this:setael wrote:He was posting regular vote counts and posted 125 words (thanks for counting, that's helpful) of death flavor 45 minutes after the hammer. I was considering that active on the site. What I had not considered was that in order to stay active as a mod he had to ignore this game entirely. Makes sense.
Setael wrote:Post 257 Nexus repeats 2x that greyice is scum and his read & reasons seem contrived.Doesn't make sense to find determination to get the governor role scummy - it doesn't seem useful enough for scum to draw attention to themselves by going after it, and town would certainly be motivated to have control of it so if anything this should be a null tell. The rest - trusting himself and the "tedious" argument with DGB - these seem more like reasons Nexus is annoyed with Grey, not necessarily things that would make someone your scummiest read.Nexus wrote:GreyICE is striking me as scummiest so far. His constant repetition of "I don't trust anyone but myself yet" and other such phrases is grating on me, and he seems just too determined to get himself raised to the governor role. Whoever gets it should probably not be demanding it. Realistically. The argument with DGB is getting tedious. Why is DGB obvscum, exactly? Please, lay it out for us plebs.
Nexus' response when Magua asks what he thinks of Diddin is really suspect.I don't see anything in his diddin read that would legitimately cause him to just dismiss him as the potential first lynch. Looks like a perfect stance for a scum buddy to take.nexus wrote: Opinion on diddin: I agreed with his point on GreyICE in his first post. Not with his townread on DGB though. Disagree with his opinion on Benmage. Vote on Magua is a bit weak, really. Generally, Diddin hasn't really been posting much outside of talking about the VI/vigging debate, and answering some questions. I'm not convinced he should be the first lynch, anyhow.
I also don't like this:Convinced of what? You say you have a gut read she's town so you're not convinced by the "blustering" that she's scum? Why would she be trying to convince you she's scum? Do you mean you're not convinced she's town? And yet you said you have a town read on her? Je ne comprends pas. On top of that, posts 806 and 808 look like you anticipated zoraster flipping town/not scum and were hoping for town points for your scorn of his wagon.Nexus wrote:I'm also of the opinion that DGB is leaning to be town rather than scum. I don't know why. I hate myself for saying this, but gut? perhaps. I'm not convinced by any of his attempts at "I'm gonna NK you" blustering, either.
List your objections to the Feysal wagon please. Explain precisely why Zdenek is a better wagon.danakillsu wrote:@ Kast
Which mistakes are you referring to? Also, you can ask anybody, I make mistakes AT LEAST as often as the next guy. Not trying to say I can never be scummy, just saying that it should be difficult for you to say whether I'm really making mistakes.
Well, out of the lynches that are available, I guess my preferred one is Zdenek. His vote and nomination both look fairly scummy to me.
unvote vote: Zdenek
unnominate nominate: Bunnylover
While I agree with you that Bunnylover shouldn't be on the "no lynch" list, it doesn't change the fact that Benmage, having a governor ability, is free to declare to the group at large "these are the people I will use my power on". I also agree with your characterization of Bunny's play, although I don't remember Raivann doing anything quite so scummy. Since I don't think any of us want to play a game of chicken with our lynch vs no lynch as the stakes, naturally we're going to need to look elsewhere. I don't think this makes Benmage's use of the power wrong, I think it means if people have a problem with his "no lynch" list they should be very vocal about it. Otherwise they need to be voting someone else.Kast wrote:This is wrong. He does get to veto a single player. If he wants to veto a player that town wants to lynch, then town should hold him to that and he should use the power to do what he says. As it is, he's just letting his ego run wild, providing half baked cases, and congratulating people who listen to him and provide cases for his preferred lynches. Meanwhile, he's protected the two most suspected players and allowed them free reign to continue playing as anti-town as possible without any repercussions. Raivann and BunnyLover are so safe, they can directly press our claimed vigs for more role info, and even after being told to stop it, they still each pushed without any repercussions.
I still don't think you've adequately exlained that unvote. It read really scummy to me.Setael wrote:You were my #2 scum suspect when I first read the thread. When I wanted to unvote Feysal, that was the logical place for me to put my vote. I thought you'd be back right away. Looking back I see you posted that you'd be V/LA almost a full week which I'd forgotten about.
Feysal wrote:I have little love for diddin after his attack on Magua for his "contradiction", and the jury is still out for much of the playerlist.
Feysal wrote:I continue to have a scummy feel about diddin. However I will not put a vote there yet,
Over and over, and OVER on D1 he repeats a scummy read of diddin, but puts all the focus of his posts elsewhere. That by itself wouldn't be a big deal, but the fact that diddin FLIPPED STARK SCUM is incredibly telling. In that light it looks like pretty obvious distancing.Feysal wrote:Like so many others, I'm getting a scummy feel from zoraster. And from diddin.
Nice Buddy to Xtoxm there. He thinks Xtoxm gives a good suggestion "for someone with a single post", but then disagrees with the suggestion saying we should give the governor to someone who will use it. So basically the whole purpose of mentioning Xtoxm there was to buddy him. What alignment was he again... oh right, Stark.Feysal wrote:For someone with a single post, Xtoxm surprised me with a good suggestion. Should we want to get rid of the governor power, the best way is indeed to give it to today's lynch. Not that I would want to do this, I prefer giving the power to someone who might use it, and who I trust to be town.
I have found that scum are inclined to make bold assertions with little reason behind them, so I think there is something of value in asking people about the claims they are making. Also, asking a player about why they are being inconsistent and pointing out inconsistencies is not "useless, fake-scum hunting."TS wrote: (In my somewhat biased opinion, this is a pure scum post--picking out a couple of superficial details that have no relevance to anyone’s alignment, and then failing to reach a conclusion on them--but moving on.)
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Considering Zdenek’s only other comment on Magua had to do with Cow’s post restriction, this is a useless fake-scumhunting question. Even if Zdenek singled out Ghostlin because Ghostlin agreed with Magua’s post on Raivann...was that the most noteworthy thing to mention in his only catch-up post?
I didn't vote you because you were V/LA. I voted you because you were #2 on my scum list. And what do you mean, getting called on it and backtracking? I don't recall anyone calling me out for voting you.Nexus wrote:It's a bullshit reason for voting, Setael. You're seriously grasping. Do you not think that if I weren't v/la, someone else would've picked up on it? You're talking out of your ass, and as soon as you got called out on it, you backtracked.
I do understand that. I just didn't consider it before I posted asking where you were, nor did I remember that you had said you'd be gone 'til Monday. I thought your V/LA was over.Nexus wrote:You'd soon be bitching if I had neglected vote counts or the flip after the lynch. I don't understand how you couldn't have fathomed that I might put a game I'm modding above a game I'm playing in? You're backtracking a hell of a lot.
Not sure what you're talking about. I didn't unvote you because I was "called on it". I moved my vote back to Feysal when I became more confident that he's scum, which made my reason for unvoting him in the first place null.Nexus wrote:Also, pretty sure this is moving dangerously close to talking about ongoing games territory. Long story short, you were looking for an easy place to park your vote, and had you not been called out on it, you would've kept it there.
So your read on DGB was leaning town but you weren't convinced by what you were perceiving as a soft claim at a PR. What was your motivation for stating that? Does DGB often, as a protown player, pretend she's a PR when she's not? I don't understand why you'd say that.Nexus wrote:I wasn't convinced that DGB was a PR. I thought her blustering was to indicate she was a vig or something. Perhaps I'm misreading/misunderstanding it.
Again, it wasn't "parking" my vote on a v/la player since I thought you'd be back right away. It was moving my vote to my #2 scum. How many times do I need to say this?Nexus wrote:Parking votes on v/la players, unless they have wagons already on them, is a pretty soft way of coasting through the game. When challenged, you can just say "Oh I'll change my vote when he responds" or something similar. It's akin to never taking a stance.
I see nothing there that would make you conclude that diddin is not a good first lynch. In fact, pretty much everything you list there is a good reason to support the lynch. So... what about diddin's play made you decide he shouldn't be the first lynch?Set wrote:Nexus' response when Magua asks what he thinks of Diddin is really suspect.I don't see anything in his diddin read that would legitimately cause him to just dismiss him as the potential first lynch. Looks like a perfect stance for a scum buddy to take.Nexus wrote:Opinion on diddin: I agreed with his point on GreyICE in his first post. Not with his townread on DGB though. Disagree with his opinion on Benmage. Vote on Magua is a bit weak, really. Generally, Diddin hasn't really been posting much outside of talking about the VI/vigging debate, and answering some questions. I'm not convinced he should be the first lynch, anyhow.