Newbie 1066 (Game Over!)

[mozamis]

lets just keep focused on rg people. too much talk is good for scum.

Um...... what?

Thats literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard

You don't understand. There is one scum amongst us whilst Rg is away. What scum wants us to do is to keep talking ,tie ourselves in knots ang get us to lynch someone before Rg gets back. If we maintain discipline and dont cast too many other suspicions etc, we won't lynch someone.

You're in the mindset of "talking=infomation=good for town". Normally i guess thats true.
But not in this case -unless we think we can genuinely lynch RG's. scum partner. But thats risky.
I would rather we lynched rg and got ourselves a definite scum lynch.
Understand now?

[Maxous]

You have yet to explain why Garm is 'a definite scum lynch'..

[Crazy]

Vote Count:

Vordark

(0)

RaudhrGarm

(2) - mozamis, Thian

TheWayItEnds

(0)

mozamis

(3) - RaudhrGarm, Maxous, Vordark

Thian

(0)

bvoigt

(0)

Maxous

(0)

Not voting

(2) - TheWayItEnds, bvoigt

With 7 alive, 4 votes will achieve a lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is

March 24th

.

[Vordark]

After going through the thread yet again, I'm beginning to think the most plausible scenario here is that RG is just horrible town and Moz is scum trying to mis-lynch us into lylo for Day 3. Moz's defense of "I'm not talking because that will help the scum" is absurd. I'm also thinking that Maxous is correct about Moz's sudden and dramatic change in attitude over the night phase.

Moz is at L-1 right now. It would be nice to see something more than "Not gonna" from him, when he's asked to say something.

[Thian]

**off game note**
Had a long weekend was out celebrating with staff from my friends work place. I am back
**end off game note**

Mozamis:
You are right in a sense that being concise with what you say is good. However, you do need to have conversation if you are going to weed anything out. So I disagree with you in that sense. Less talking? Where were you going with that?

[bvoigt]

Moz's defense of "I'm not talking because that will help the scum" is absurd.

It may not have been a good idea, but why would scum be more likely to say something like that?

[Maxous]

I'm more concerned with how he

definitly knows

Garm is mafia. And then while I was looking back I noticed also that Garm votes Mozamis with his first post of the day. What's more interesting is that Mozamis says nothing about this. Remember his reaction to every suspicion on him in day 1? But Garm votes him..not a bother on him, no refutal.

They did'nt mention a lick of suspicion on each-other in day 1. It looks like bussing to me, vote for each-other, seperate and not get caught together.

[Vordark]

I think there's already enough of a case for Moz being scum without even factoring in Day Two. If you

do

look at Day Two, Moz's behavior took a complete 180, as Maxous observed, and I believe his explanation to be the most plausible. Moz's scum buddy coached him during the night phase. The more I look at the RG wagon, the less I like it and the less I like the people on it.

Moz pushing a second fast wagon and playing the "lurk the suspicion away" card all of a sudden smells like a scum gambit to me. The longer he sits at L-1 and says nothing, the worse it looks to me.

[mozamis]

shit i didnt realise i was L-1.
want me to claim?

[Maxous]

Sure.
Why not?

[mozamis]

vanilla townie. *I'm dead face*

[Vordark]

I'm more concerned with how he

definitly knows

Garm is mafia. And then while I was looking back I noticed also that Garm votes Mozamis with his first post of the day. What's more interesting is that Mozamis says nothing about this. Remember his reaction to every suspicion on him in day 1? But Garm votes him..not a bother on him, no refutal.

They did'nt mention a lick of suspicion on each-other in day 1. It looks like bussing to me, vote for each-other, seperate and not get caught together.

I don't think Moz definitely knows Garm is mafia. I think he definitely knows Garm is town. I considered the idea that this is a bus, but that would be a big risk.

After his behavior Day One and his hammering of NS, RG is an almost guaranteed lynch coming into Day Two. I find it hard to believe that a bus attempt would be made there, since it would be almost certain to result in a kill rather than just a way to deflect suspicion.

Maybe

if this was RG trying to sacrifice himself to make Moz look good for Day Three, but I think that's a stretch.

I think the more plausible scenario is that Moz is pushing for an RG wagon because it is as close to a sure lynch as you can get. RG goes down Day Two, Mafia NK's someone tonight and we're in lylo for Day Three. Moz continues to use his teflon noob coating and FoS's someone else here, probably bvoigt given the setup he's already dropped, which

also

appeared to come out of nowhere after the night phase.

[mozamis]

thats the most convincing town post i've seen vordark make all game.
which leaves me with maxous and rg as most likely scum
possibly bvoigt.
sure as i can be that Thian an TWIE are town.
still, as i have suspected everyone all game i know no one's gonna believe me now, especially as i am wriggling in the rope

[Vordark]

vanilla townie. *I'm dead face*

The only thing that would have dissuaded me here was if Moz had made a cop claim, because that would be the only justification I could see for the near-silent tunnel on RG. As it is, I find a VT claim here less than compelling.

[Maxous]

Now Bvoight is maybe mafia?
I'm not even going into why I'm mafia while he's sure Thian is town :/

@Vordark: I'll go back and look at Bvoight a bit closer then.

[Vordark]

Now Bvoight is maybe mafia?
I'm not even going into why I'm mafia while he's sure Thian is town :/

@Vordark: I'll go back and look at Bvoight a bit closer then.

To be sure,

I'm

not saying bvoigt is Mafia. Moz is:

Sorry NS
Ok, so I realise i have ZILCH scum hunting credibility right now having pushed hard for NS lynch.
But ASSUMING that at least one of those on NS Bw is scum, that leaves bvoigt, vordark and rg.
Vordark is town i think. Just dont think scum would have tunnelled for me quite so much as vordark did.
so rg or bvoigt?

the way rg hammered looked dodgy.

VOTE RAUDHRGARM

Which began the following interchange...

Hmm. That hammer

was

pretty scummy....

why havent you voted for him then?

No need to place someone at L-1 with the 5th post of the day.

lol yeah especially when hes your scum partner

Oh, now I'm scum? Why?

lets get rg lynched and the we'll deal with you scum

A wee bit later...

@Mozamis: Please answer why you think Bvoight is mafia?

Yeah, please answer this. Even if you don't think I'm mafia anymore, explain what your thought process was.

no i dont think i want to. Completely fair question. I shouldnt have mentioned it really-better for town if we concentrate on one scum at a time rather than the scum team. If we lynch rg and bvoigt still looks suspicious, I'll explain it.

That's what I was referring to.

[Thian]

Thewayitends and bvoight.

Where are you placing your votes? Are you hesitant to do so? is that why they are in limbo?

[bvoigt]

@mozamis: Why do you think Thian is town?

After his behavior Day One and his hammering of NS, RG is an almost guaranteed lynch coming into Day Two. I find it hard to believe that a bus attempt would be made there, since it would be almost certain to result in a kill rather than just a way to deflect suspicion.

Maybe

if this was RG trying to sacrifice himself to make Moz look good for Day Three, but I think that's a stretch.

I actually think it's a bussing situation if RG is scum; however, the way mozamis is pushing his case doesn't look like bussing. (I thought I had something else to say, but now I can't remember what it was.)

@Thian: I'd definitely prefer a RG lynch over a mozamis lynch. In fact, since he's not at L-1 anymore, I'll place my vote. It looks like TWIE will be the one to decide.

VOTE: RaudhrGarm

RG and mozamis are both at L-1 now. However, we are not ending the day until we get a claim from RG.

[Crazy]

Oh, the suspense!

Vote Count:

Vordark

(0)

RaudhrGarm

(3) - mozamis, Thian, bvoigt

TheWayItEnds

(0)

mozamis

(3) - RaudhrGarm, Maxous, Vordark

Thian

(0)

bvoigt

(0)

Maxous

(0)

Not voting

(1) - TheWayItEnds

With 7 alive, 4 votes will achieve a lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is

March 24th

.

[TheWayItEnds]

Loled at "Oh, the suspense!"

I haven't placed a vote because I was under the impression that we were waiting for RG to come back from V/LA.

I can place it for you right now if you want... but it might as well be a random vote considering that we're probably looking at RG or moz getting lynched today.... neither of which is happening until both players answer a few questions.

[Vordark]

Loled at "Oh, the suspense!"

I haven't placed a vote because I was under the impression that we were waiting for RG to come back from V/LA.

Bvoigt is waiting for RG. Right now, I think RG is bait.

I can place it for you right now if you want... but it might as well be a random vote considering that we're probably looking at RG or moz getting lynched today.... neither of which is happening until both players answer a few questions.

When RG gets "back" (still unconvinced this isn't his "drop out of sight defense") he might be willing to say something useful, but Moz has had a

lot

of time to answer the questions put to him and the only response we've had is a scum list and a VT claim, both of which I find dubious. No discussion as to why bvoigt is scum and no explanation for why RG has gone from "If he's mafia I'll eat my left toenail" (post 141) to "I'm

positive

he's scum, kill him!". I don't think we're getting any more answers there than we already have.

[Maxous]

I actually think it's a bussing situation if RG is scum; however, the way mozamis is pushing his case doesn't look like bussing.

So it's a bussing situation if RG is mafia, but you don't think it's bussing even though you think RG is mafia?
..That does'nt make sense

@The Way It Ends: Take your time to decide if need be. We're in no hurry at all.

@Vordark: The only person Mozamis has'nt suspected is TWIE. For arguements sake assuming Moz is mafia he has bussed his partner sometime in this game - unless TWIE is his partner. Any thoughts on who?

[Vordark]

@Vordark: The only person Mozamis has'nt suspected is TWIE. For arguements sake assuming Moz is mafia he has bussed his partner sometime in this game - unless TWIE is his partner. Any thoughts on who?

I'd be looking at the people on the RG wagon now, which would be bvoigt and Thian. I'm still perplexed by some of the interchange between Thian and Moz on Day 1, and the relative lack of attention Thian seems to be giving Moz Day 2. And like I've said, this bvoigt as scum thing came out of nowhere. I think that's more about laying some shoddy groundwork for a Day 3 mislynch, but it could easily be a bus attempt in case the RG gambit goes nowhere and Moz gets the rope.

I'm not getting a scumvibe from TWIE. He's got his pick of the lynch right now and hasn't moved. It be really easy for him to drop a vote down now and pass it off as "We're going nowhere and a hammer gives us more information". I think he's a bit optimistic in believing we'll get any more information out of RG or Moz, but not dropping the hammer by now is something I think town is more likely to do.

[bvoigt]

I actually think it's a bussing situation if RG is scum; however, the way mozamis is pushing his case doesn't look like bussing.

So it's a bussing situation if RG is mafia, but you don't think it's bussing even though you think RG is mafia?
..That does'nt make sense

It is a bussing situation. However, I think Thian is the one doing the bussing, not mozamis.

[Thian]

TheWayItEnds:
So you are willing to stall the game and get no where with RG until he comes back. Which is worse? Waiting around waisting time? or Quick Lynch? ((sarcasm jokingly)) Why are you hesitant on voting RG? Do you agree he has been helpful or not helpful?

bvoight:
Not true, speculate what you want. why would I bus RG in your opinion? Would the situation be different, if I went back to my first feeling on mozamis day 1? Getting ridiculed for it as people claim that Mozamis "IS" lynch bait? If you take into account that calling someone Lynch bait, is pretty much telling the town in some slip or another, that they know mozamis is town and just an easy target?