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Tragedy wrote:Lol Pilgrims?...
I thought we were just regular Townspeople.
We are. The witches wouldn't know this though, and would try to put a flavor twist to the traditional townie name, because there's a flavor twist to the traditional mafia name.
I saw this day one but waited to point it out because I figured that PRs wouldn't know if we were pilgrims or townies either (in the first post it mentions an Andrew Smith, which made me think PRs would have flavor too). I asked for everyone's opinion on whether I should point it out, and I was told to wait until Day 2 to mention it, which I'm glad I did. When Vez flipped regular cop (no flavor), I knew there was a good chance that TS was scum rather than a PR. I pointed out his quote and waited to see how people reacted to it, which is why I didn't follow up on it for awhile.
This was TS's defense for posting it:
TS wrote:I think i might have called them that on my first post. I'm not sure I remember why though with it being the first post. Flavour reasons I would guess.
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When I was rereading ISO's, I actually understood what Tragedy was
really
saying this time, and tried to make it seem like a big deal so that everyone understood there was an important underlying message:
FF wrote:I feel really confident that she's town, just because of one thing she said. I misunderstood what she was saying the first time around, but now I get it:
Tragedy wrote:Meanwhile, there's only WITCHES, as some would obviously read and notice from their Role PM as well, amIRight?
This is an extremely bold thing to say, and I find it very hard to believe that scum would even dare say something like this, especially so early on in the game. This practically confirmed her as town for me.
Most town win conditions are worded to the extent "You win once all threats to the town have been eliminated." The one in this game is worded very differently; I can't quote it exactly, but go read it in your role PM (if you're town). It clearly indicates that there is only one scum group; the witches. This is what Tragedy was refering to; "as some [meaning the town] would obviously read and notice from their Role PM [win condition] as well, amIRight?" The win condition indicates that there are no SKs, multiple factions, etc. If someone were a witch, they would not know what the win condition is for town. As far as I'm aware, scum win conditions are generally worded something like, "You win once [your scum team] can't be stopped."
Another reason I made such a big deal out of Tragedy's post was to try to draw the question, "How does that make her town?". If this had been the case, that person definately would've been scum, because they obviously would not have known what the town win condition is. No one did. Instead, TS put this:
TS wrote:But wouldn't that just be the perfect tactic for scum? Get a town read from one bold statement and then town read forever?
In addition to this Umbrage and Ant both still expressed uncertainty after I had pointed this out:
Umbrage wrote:Tragedy's a slight scum read of mine.
Ant wrote:....StrungOver is one of my top picks for today. TwistedSpoon, Umbrage, and Tragedy are my other people I would be willing to kill.
Right away this shot all of them up on my scumdar. I tried to probe deeper so that they would get caught in a lie if they were scum. By asking them:
FF wrote:What did you think of Tragedy's comment? Can you explain how (or if) it influenced your read on her, and why?
They would have to answer:
-Didn't influence their read on her (And thus implying they don't know the town win condition)
-Influenced towards town (Thus implying they do know the win condition. I was trying to give potential townies a 'get out of jail free' card before I nailed them on this; by asking them to look deeper into Tragedy's statement, they would look at their role PM to try to understand what she was saying, see their win condition, and take back their earlier read on Tragedy.)
-Influenced towards scum (Implies they don't know what the town win condition is.)
Ant's answer was very vague:
Ant wrote:Never got an answer from it, or at least I missed it. I still stand by what I said, I think I knew what she was poking at, but wanted to hear it from her.
It's difficult to tell exactly what he meant by this. When I read it my first impression was that he knew the town win condition (thus "I knew what she was poking at), knew what I was doing, and tried to keep it on the downlow so the other two could answer, and either confirm themselves as town or scum.
Unfortunately, before the other two could answer, this was posted:
Tragedy wrote:If you could read your Role PM, you win when All the Witches are dead. DEAD I SAY.
WITCHES SHOULD BE BEHEADED.
This ended all questions that could be asked to see if scum knew the win condition or not, because now everyone knew that Tragedy was referring to the win condition, as well as what the win condition was.
Umbrage dodged the question entirely in the post right after Tragedy's.
After Tragedy posted her explanation, Set still put her as one of his scum reads:
Set wrote:If amrun is scum: Tragedy
If amrun is town: me
Which just flat out confused me.
-Twisted and Umbrage are scum for not knowing the win condition. Considering they are both pushing an Amrun lynch, it makes me feel like the Amrun wagon is more scum driven than anything. However, this doesn't clear Amrun, because as someone pointed out they could just want the "townie points" if Amrun flips scum.
-TS is also scum for thinking that we're pilgrims.
-SO is still scum. Just throwing that out there.
-Ant was vague, and hinted at knowing the win condition. I'm starting to lean a little town on him, because I think he knew.
-Set just confused me, considering she still put Tragedy on her scum list even after Tragedy blantantly expressed knowledge of the win condition. And she put herself as the kill if Amrun was town. This is the second time that she's bet her life on how someone will flip; I kind of doubt someone would do that unless they already knew.
My strong scum reads are: Twisted, Umbrage, and SO. My potential scum reads are: Amrun and Set.
