Metropolis: Redemption [Game Over]

[LimMePls]

But... scum-CD has every reason to want to call Espe-buddy town. And CD is just stupid enough to be that blatant about it. WHAT-AM-I-NOT-SEEING?

[Fate]

THE FACT THAT CDOG IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO CALL HIS BUDDY TOWN.

THE FACT THAT I MODDED COOLDOG AS SCUM, WITH IRONICALLY, REAPER AS HIS BUDDY.

AND THE FACT THAT I AND I ALONE GOT SCUM LYNCHED D1, SO FUCKIN LISTEN TO ME IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ANY EFFORT INTO THIS GAME YOURSELF

/notallcapsrage.

[ Consider this your first and only warning, Fate. - RC ]

[Espeonage]

@ MoI: You know as well as I do that we are effectively just coming out of the RVS. At the moment the choice is teeny tell V ignorant wagon me V Inexperienced townie wagon.

I'm choosing to run with the teeny tell option.

Vote: Agar

@ Gold: Sorry what am I answering? And null on farside. I'll do a mini reread during my lecture if I get a power point or when I get home later if I don't.

[Fate]

So much for not sheeping me, lol.

Shame the only one bringing up the the ZOMGFATEBUSSING arguement is NOT MoI and is indeed nopoint... who got LOLWIFOMED by Cooldogs "damn u mister capslock"

[farside22]

MagnaofIllusion - not sure, jury still out
Stefunny - *head smack* Post 68 has you either as VI or scum. Can't decide till my head stops hurting.
AGar - town no further reason to explain necessary. Don't get the votes on him.
ShadowGuru - Why did you think it was a good idea to have the BP claim on day 1? Why is GB scummy? So much focus on trying to get the BP claim then looking for scum.
Fate - pretty sure he's town. Small part (that side that has seen the evil that is Fate) wonders if he bused scum buddy CD.
GummyBear - Where are you getting the idea of shadow scum with CD?
Espeonage - If you believe Fate wasn't lying why didn't you vote for him?
LynchMePls - 1 post no info. Hey paranoid. Still jury out.
nopointinactingup - I don't like the idea of claiming BP on day 1. Should happen today however. BZZZZZ I could see scum wanting to know who the BP on day 1 was more then town as then they know who not to target for the night. Oh I like your first post of day 2.
Gold - scum, see post 95 for details. Read the game and vote with me.

vote: Gold

fos: Espy

Looking at the convo between CD and Espy. I do not believe they are scum together. I do however think Espy has a good chance at being SK
Yeah I'm definitely seeing a no connection between the two, rereading CD's post.

Also, if CoolDog flips town as I think he might, we really need to focus on GummyBear tomorrow - my hydra partner brought up good points. But they sort of rely on the CoolDog flip (though I could even see GummyBear's posts as bussing if CoolDog flipped scum)

Damned if so, damned if not

fos: Shadow

Note that Farside does not address the wagon on Espeonage at all and doesn't mention CooLDoG after the light suspicion in 78.

Wow so that quote you just shared said nothing about CD at all.

hmmm I see cooldog is calling espy town and not even putting in as possible scum.

Also in 48 hours I get to be online for a whooping 3 hours and have 4 games to respond to. Weeee

[Gold]

Gold - scum, see post 95 for details. Read the game and vote with me

What?

[Fate]

Gold=Iam? Y/N

[Fate]

Also, I see what you guys are saying:

Unvote:
Vote: Farside

[Stefunny]

At this point I agree with Fate, I reread the CooLDog quote where he calls Fate and Espe town and I really can't read it as scum bussing, it just doesn't make sense to me. CD essentially came out with a big fat "HI I'M SCUM" when he asked for Fates NK, so I don't think his scum play was good enough to slip in JUST enough to confirm Espe as town to try and protect him.
After rereading the two people I find to have committed the scummiest actions D1 are ShadowGuru and Nopoint.

Shadowguru: I feel like this hydra is kind of a train wreck...

Fate unvoting off of the Espeonage wagon is scummy to me
I know I'm doing it, but I wanted to see a hammer on that...
I will revote Espeonage at any time that people address they have interest in it, assuming there is not a developing wagon on singersigner/quadz

I know you argued hypocrisy was not a scumtell necessarily, but I believe that was more about the policy lynch you were pushing for on Gummybear...so by my count I see this as two counts of hypocrisy on you. I think Fate's case was very

very

clear cut and I don't see how him switching off the wagon could be considered scummy.

*sigh* This seems like a stupid townslip from CoolDog. But we have to lynch him as it's too big of a slip.

As AGar has unshyly pointed out, he's voting for someone he said would flip town PR. But it seems like he was just proposing a situation in his mind to show that Fate was acting stupidly without actually relating to the game. And he genuinely didn't understand what Fate meant when he said "doubling up the scumkill".

This seems like VI play, but it's too much of a slip to let go.

This feels like bussing and distancing all in one! Especially since you somehow supposedly miscounted and thought your vote was L-1, while in fact you were hammering.

What do you think of me Shadow?

Oh hey, I see what you did thur...
Tried to paint me as your scumbuddy.

This actually makes me laugh now that I've reread.

Nopoint: Twice you asked for BP vest claim D1, This has the same feel to me as CD asking who Fate was going to kill, and your votes on Malt and Gold feel weak. I don't know exactly what it is, but I get a really bad vibe from you.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@ MoI: You know as well as I do that we are effectively just coming out of the RVS. At the moment the choice is teeny tell V ignorant wagon me V Inexperienced townie wagon.

1. RVS ended the moment CooLDoG got his first vote for being obv-scum. Attempting to say otherwise is fail.
2. Third on wagon is not a Tell. Period. It’s something found on the wiki for players to parrot as opposed to thinking. You want a tell from that wagon? Look at all the votes and interactions and find your suspected busser based on that and not arbitrarily location.
3 “Inexperienced Townie Wagon” … so you absolutely know that Gold isnt’ scum? My god it’s the second coming of CooLDoG!!!

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

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Wow so that quote you just shared said nothing about CD at all.

Yes, it says you want to put some light suspicion on him but vote for someone who we now know was Town based on behavior I find clearly less scummy than CooLDoG's herp a derp affair. What this has to do with you not mentioning him after that post I have no clue ...

Question

– why did you make no mention about the wagon that had reached L-1 and started to fall apart by the time you posted 78 at all Day 1?

[ReaperCharlie]

Metropolis

∴

Redemption

— The Phantom Pollbooth

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Espeonage [3] – AGar, LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion

Gold [2]

– nopointinactingup, farside22

AGar [1]

– Espeonage

farside22 [1]

– Fate

Not voting

– Gold, GummyBear, ShadowGuru, Stefunny

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With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch. The deadline for Day 2 is March 24th, 8pm PST (11pm EST).

.

[Stefunny]

Ah, I forgot to add to the end of my post...

Vote: ShadowGuru

[Gold]

I'm still sticking with my 143 post, farside still seems suspicious to me. I'll change my vote unless farside can prove me otherwise - mainly the incident with the first lynch

Vote: farside

[Fate]

I asked you a question, Gold

[farside22]

Question – why did you make no mention about the wagon that had reached L-1 and started to fall apart by the time you posted 78 at all Day 1?

I already had my head on malth's actions and waiting a claim from Espy, who he didn't even say was scummy, was more scummy that the wagon on Espy coming in. At the time it didn't even hit me what Espy seemed to be alluding to.
Are you saying in your view what Malth said on day 1 didn't look scummy to you? Or because i made one comment on CD and wondered at the speed of the wagon I'm autoscum?

I'm still sticking with my 143 post, farside still seems suspicious to me. I'll change my vote unless farside can prove me otherwise - mainly the incident with the first lynch

So you think I'm scum for something you agreed with..........So in order to hide your own scumminess your going to blame me. Awesome stuff.

[Espeonage]

@ farside: Early day one. Wasn't expecting a scum to present itself. It's still at the back of my mind + Fate is useful for catching us scums for now and obviously the vig is usable as another option.

@ MoI: We kinda are. We lynched a scum. There is basically nothing to read back on bar a rvs and the wagon. It was a simple wagon so nto much there bar the scraps we can try and dredge from it. The state of the game looks like it's just coming out of rvs.

Unvote

I'll join or start a wagon later.

[ShadowGuru]

vote: farside

- i made a case on gummybear
- if you read my post about the BP, which you obviously did not correctly, i deduced it's better to wait till d2
- my vote is for gut, and because you are grasping at straws leading to you being anti-town

I am also still receptive to a gummybear wagon.

@mod

can we get a prod/replace on gummybear? They are a fucking hydra with 4 terribly pitiful posts

[ShadowGuru]

^furc

[ShadowGuru]

Fate, lead me into the gloryland

[ShadowGuru]

Actually, I dislike that post from my partner as well, after further inspection
I'm going to admit voting you for your FoS of my partner's play, Farside, but after actually reading you in iso, I dislike your vote on Malthusis into him dying. He didn't really feel like he was going to get wagonned over CD to me, but it may just be you not having your head in the game. Regardless, after your iso read, I'm suspicious of you, but I'm going to

unvote

MY problem with CryMeARiver (my hydra's other head)'s point about CD flipping relating to GB's alignment has nothing to do with the ambiguousness of his statement (your damned if they do, damned if they don't, which really was more relying on them flipping town for some reason... AT LEAST he thought cooldog could be town there), but rather I don't see how he can get shit from GummiBear's posts due to their sheer lack of content.

I'd like to note that SS is signing up to IC in the newbie queue, yet has not contributed anything of substance this game. While her and quadz might have personal issues... c'est la vie.

vote: Gummybear

until they contribute

[AGar]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

Fate's SK. Got a pretty good feel for this one.

[farside22]

@shadow:
First your right I miss read your post on the BP claim. I retract that you wanted it day 1.

Second your reasons for GB was first policy

Then you stated the following:

Yes, more sheeping, no reads of your own, no content
likely framer right here bros and hos

What made you say this? I understand the sheeping (he wasn't the only one to do so) but why assume framer?

I do see BG has not said much of anything. Do you think he would buss his scum buddy like he did as scum?

Finally what happened with you this:

Fate unvoting off of the Espeonage wagon is scummy to me
I know I'm doing it, but I wanted to see a hammer on that...
I will revote Espeonage at any time that people address

Are you still suspicious?

[farside22]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

Fate's SK. Got a pretty good feel for this one.

You just lost some town points from me.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Bulletproof Vest tracking

– the following players have all posted today and not claimed having the bulletproof vest N1 either directly or via ommission:

MoI
Farside
Shadowguru
Fate
AGar
Esp
Stefunny
Gold
NoPoint
LMP

If GummyBear does not claim having it N1 we have to consider the possibility that it went up in smoke with Malth …

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@Shadow

– You do know that GummyBear is likely the only player who could have had the Bulletproof vest D1 unless it burnt up in the fire, right?

I'm going to admit voting you for your FoS of my partner's play, Farside, but after actually reading you in iso, I dislike your vote on Malthusis into him dying.

He didn't really feel like he was going to get wagonned over CD to me, but it may just be you not having your head in the game.

Regardless, after your iso read, I'm suspicious of you, but I'm going to unvote

Um whut? You find Farside suspicions for her vote on Malth but unvote to engage in a protracted policy / lurker hunt?

And please explain what you mean by the bolded. At the point Farside made her vote for Malth the wagons on Matlh and CooLDoG were even.

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At this point I agree with Fate, I reread the CooLDog quote where he calls Fate and Espe town and I really can't read it as scum bussing, it just doesn't make sense to me.

Once again there is a large, flaming evil hole in your theory that CooLDoG calling Esp innocent means he must be Town …

Regarding 158

- I do like the highlighted points in Shadow’s second quote and you suggestions about Shadow’s possible scum intent

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In reviewing Farside’s player list at 154 I’m struck that it is a large swath of text that pretty much fence-sits most players.

Calls Fate and AGar Town (but also leaves some wiggle-room on Fate).
Calls Gold (newb to site) scum.

Everyone else is Null. So little commitment to making reads that can be questioned down the line.

Looking at the convo between CD and Espy. I do not believe they are scum together. I do however think Espy has a good chance at being SK

I want to revisit this Farside. You specifically state that you think Esp has a good chance of being the Evil Angel (SK). Why?

With one scum already down and a generally good Night result (only 1 Town death and it is a VT) Town is in a fairly solid position as far as numbers and PoE possibilities. Today would be a very good day to lynch the Evil Angel as it lessens the number of Nightkills.

Yet you vote Gold for rather flimsy reasons – I read 95 as admitting he’s unused to the MS norms (which he should be as a new member) and questioning you about some comments you made. I don’t see strong scum motivation in that post.

Are you saying in your view what Malth said on day 1 didn't look scummy to you? Or because i made one comment on CD and wondered at the speed of the wagon I'm autoscum?

As you say – read the thread. Clearly I found Malth’s comments questionable. That’s why I asked him about his motivations. But they certainly didn’t look as scummy as CooLDoG’s posts and reactions at the point where you made the decision to vote Malth over CooLDoG.

Again I feel you are Trifecta scum because you gave CooLDoG the equivalent of a soft FOS yet voted for Malth who we know is Town at a point where your vote might have swung momentum towards a Town wagon as opposed to a Scum wagon.

Just because the thread (properly) exploded in a stream of CooLDoG votes soon afterwards doesn’t mean I should ignore what I see as scum motivation.

You just lost some town points from me.

So are you moving him down into the mass of Null that mean nothing now?

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@ MoI: We kinda are. We lynched a scum. There is basically nothing to read back on bar a rvs and the wagon. It was a simple wagon so nto much there bar the scraps we can try and dredge from it. The state of the game looks like it's just coming out of rvs.

Bzzt. Even with a fast Day 1 there is still plenty of information to mine. It’s not RVS Day 2 ever.

No response to the point that you called Gold Town with no reason to do so?

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

@Esp

– Please directly share your thoughts about Farside and my case. I’d like you on record as to whether you think the case has merit or not (and thus your opinion as to whether Farside is likely scum or not)

[LimMePls]

Just to make it explicit, I did NOT have the BP last night.