Open 272 - Near-Vanilla (Over!)

[Egg]

unvote, vote cons

Better lynch than farside.

[andrew94]

v/la cos of bio assignments

[ConSpiracy]

Just because andrew didn't give us any clue about which lynch he supported.

He just got a major link with farside (and me, but I will flip town)
He hasn't mentioned even one of us being scummy and actually doesn't do anything.

And I liked playing this game. I learned a lot and it is the first game I really thought I was playing mafia on a high level. I loved the arguments with Farside and the convo's with Lord Hur. Good game town!

[inHimshallibe]

Official Day 2 Vote Tally

11 players remain; 6 votes needed for a lynch.

ConSpiracy (5)

- brokenscraps, Magua, farside22, lord_hur, Egg

farside22 (4)

- AntB, ConSpiracy, Archer, Bella

AntB (1)

- andrew94

Egg (1)

- Looker

Yet to vote (0):
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Deadline

: Wednesday, March 9 at 11:59:59 PM GMT-6

Prodding

: Magua, AntB, brokenscraps

[farside22]

Just because andrew didn't give us any clue about which lynch he supported.

He just got a major link with farside (and me, but I will flip town)
He hasn't mentioned even one of us being scummy and actually doesn't do anything.

And I liked playing this game. I learned a lot and it is the first game I really thought I was playing mafia on a high level. I loved the arguments with Farside and the convo's with Lord Hur. Good game town!

I think my biggest problem is your scum reads. You had 3 only. That's rare for me. I usually feel everyone is scum till I get a good town read on them. (yes I get paranoid and yes it's guilty till innocent and yes even I get tunnel).
How do you see yourself normally as town vs scum?
Why did you not push on Looker or ......sorry I forget who your other scum suspect was and I have to go shortly, but why not point to them and put your case out just as hard?
Also why just hey this is fun post? Do you ever look for connection between players in games?

[AntB]

I realised the deadline is 24+ hours.... I thought it was 3..

[Bella]

Yeesh, I'm starting to get major town-on-town vibes from farside and CS. I still like the case against farside more than the one against CS, though.

I don't suppose there's any chance of a last minute wagon against, say, Looker on account of voting the all-but-confirmed jailkeeper, is there?

[lord_hur]

I loved the arguments with Farside and the convo's with Lord Hur. Good game town!

Which conversations with me did you enjoy? I mean, I've not exactly been pleasant (I rarely am at this game). I'm very sorry if you're honest, but from my point of view, this looks like an artificial last attempt to look town.
Anyway, if you're lynched and town, keep it up, your logical analysis will pay if you manage to not tunnel as much, and not use others' arguments as much (which is scummy, and risky because everyone can be scum). And actually, the advice is the same if you're scum.

[lord_hur]

I don't suppose there's any chance of a last minute wagon against, say, Looker on account of voting the all-but-confirmed jailkeeper, is there?

I might want to join in (for different reasons about Looker), but it's too risky imho.

[ConSpiracy]

I think my biggest problem is your scum reads. You had 3 only. That's rare for me. I usually feel everyone is scum till I get a good town read on them. (yes I get paranoid and yes it's guilty till innocent and yes even I get tunnel).
How do you see yourself normally as town vs scum?
Why did you not push on Looker or ......sorry I forget who your other scum suspect was and I have to go shortly, but why not point to them and put your case out just as hard?
Also why just hey this is fun post? Do you ever look for connection between players in games?

I replaced in and had 25 pages to get reads. No wonder I can establish many townreads at the moment I started. Of course I sometimes have some scummy vibes from everybody now and then, but I´d rather not listen to them when they´re minor, because it would drive me paranoid.
First question I don´t get what you meant with it.
Because I got them as scum through a proces of elimination. I didn´t have anything else about them then a small connection between them and Batt and the lurkiness. You on the other hand, are obvious scum for the reasons I stated.
Because I mean it. I liked this game really much and knowing I am going to be lynched (using statistics) I just wanted to say that.
And I can find some connections. However, I'd rather just make connections between a confirmed scum and a living player than between two living players. Otherwise it is just very much guessing: IF he is scum, THEN he is likely to be scum.

I loved the arguments with Farside and the convo's with Lord Hur. Good game town!

Which conversations with me did you enjoy? I mean, I've not exactly been pleasant (I rarely am at this game). I'm very sorry if you're honest, but from my point of view, this looks like an artificial last attempt to look town.
Anyway, if you're lynched and town, keep it up, your logical analysis will pay if you manage to not tunnel as much, and not use others' arguments as much (which is scummy, and risky because everyone can be scum). And actually, the advice is the same if you're scum.

The high level I meant, not the nice way of it. And you should think that and not switch your vote. That would be stupid right now.
Thanks for the advise, I still think I am in my learning stage, so everything is welcome. Although, I still don't get why using someone else's arguments is bad, because rephrasing the arguments will accuse the writer of "following, but not pretending not to be".

And Bella, that would be stupid. Tomorrow we will get another argument between me and farside which will continue until one of us is lynched. We'd etter just lynch one of us to end it.

[farside22]

Consp: Batt's is dead. Are you saying I am the only person you found a connection with on him?
The question you didn't understand was to see if you could evaluate your own play as town in games and how you act as scum.

[ConSpiracy]

Consp: Batt's is dead. Are you saying I am the only person you found a connection with on him?
The question you didn't understand was to see if you could evaluate your own play as town in games and how you act as scum.

Same post:

Because I got them as scum through a proces of elimination. I didn´t have anything else about them then a small connection between them and Batt and the lurkiness. You on the other hand, are obvious scum for the reasons I stated.

I would like to play scum once, but I didn't get a scum pm, yet. (Of course ongoing games do not count). I don't particularly care about my own play as town or not, I know I am town and I don't have to change my posts in ways to show others I am town. Only scum would do that. I only change my playstyle if I realise it is indeed scummy.

[lord_hur]

Although, I still don't get why using someone else's arguments is bad, because rephrasing the arguments will accuse the writer of "following, but not pretending not to be".

Rephrasing isn't good either. I just think that using your own tells are much better, because good reasoning can perfectly be made by scum too (on perfectly valid reasons, everyone make mistakes). But the difference is, it always leads to town lynch. So, assuming that you're as good at scum-hunting than your team-mates, the average chance to lynch scum will always be lower if you adopt another's arguments.
For example, in this game : 9 town left, 2 scums, hypothesis : 50% scum lynch if an argument made by any town is followed (yes, I'm an optimist!).
Chance if you follow your own advice : 50%
Chance if you follow another's : 50% x 9/11 + 0% x 2/11 = 41%
So, I typically only use an argument if I see it before another points it out (unless, it's really damning).

[AntB]

VOTE: ConSpiracy

Vote only to prevent no-lynch. - Deadline in approx 5:28 mins from this post.

[andrew94]

unvote vote conspiracy

hope this counts

[Magua]

Doesn't matter, as AntB's vote was already the hammer.

[inHimshallibe]

Official Day 2 Vote Tally

11 players remain; 6 votes needed for a lynch.

ConSpiracy (6)

- brokenscraps, Magua, farside22, lord_hur, Egg, AntB

farside22 (3)

- ConSpiracy, Archer, Bella

AntB (1)

- andrew94

Egg (1)

- Looker

Yet to vote (0):

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You lynch ConSpiracy.



He was a Vanilla Townie.








It is now Night 2. Deadline is in 72 hours.

[inHimshallibe]

Day 3 will be up tonight.

[inHimshallibe]

Welcome back to the coffee bar!

Oh, dear. More bland, near-vanillaness.

Dead is lord_hur - Townie, Killed Night 2

Day 3 begins. With 9 alive it will take 5 to lynch

[Bella]

Color-coded vote count summaries.

Official Day 1 Final Vote Tally

13 players remain; 7 votes needed for a lynch.

Battousai (7)

-

Nachomamma8

, Bella,

lord_hur

, Archer, Egg, andrew94, farside22

Nachomamma8 (3)

- brokenscraps, AntB,

Battousai

Bella (2)

-

smashbro_of_the_SSS

, DavidParker

smashbro_of_the_SSS (1)

- Looker

Official Day 2 Vote Tally

11 players remain; 6 votes needed for a lynch.

ConSpiracy (6)

- brokenscraps, Magua, farside22,

lord_hur

, Egg, AntB

farside22 (3)

-

ConSpiracy

, Archer, Bella

AntB (1)

- andrew94

Egg (1)

- Looker

Scorecard:

100% pro-scum voting (off Battwagon, on CSwagon): AntB, brokenscraps

50% pro-scum voting (on Battwagon, on CSwagon): Egg, farside22

50% pro-scum voting (off Battwagon, off CSwagon): Looker, Magua

0% pro-scum voting (on Battwagon, off CSwagon): andrew94, Archer, Bella

[Bella]

Color-coded vote count summaries.

Official Day 1 Final Vote Tally

13 players remain; 7 votes needed for a lynch.

Battousai (7)

-

Nachomamma8

, Bella,

lord_hur

, Archer, Egg, andrew94, farside22

Nachomamma8 (3)

- brokenscraps, AntB,

Battousai

Bella (2)

-

smashbro_of_the_SSS

, DavidParker

smashbro_of_the_SSS (1)

- Looker

Official Day 2 Vote Tally

11 players remain; 6 votes needed for a lynch.

ConSpiracy (6)

- brokenscraps, Magua, farside22,

lord_hur

, Egg, AntB

farside22 (3)

-

ConSpiracy

, Archer, Bella

AntB (1)

- andrew94

Egg (1)

- Looker

Scorecard:

100% pro-scum voting (off Battwagon, on CSwagon): AntB, brokenscraps, Magua

50% pro-scum voting (on Battwagon, on CSwagon): Egg, farside22

50% pro-scum voting (off Battwagon, off CSwagon): Looker

0% pro-scum voting (on Battwagon, off CSwagon): andrew94, Archer, Bella

EBWOP on account of putting Magua in the wrong place.

[AntB]

scum can ride each others wagon you know...

[Looker]

• I understand magua saying he'll lynch me tomorrow (today), but in all honesty, I was simply trying to avoid being NK'd. That and being replaced. So, with that said, I'd like to hear all attacks and arguments against me so that I can at least address them while I have the time.
  
• Noticed lord_hur expressing interest in my lynch and was going to inquire about his different reasons but he's dead. So, once again, send me all your accusations/observations/questions and concerns.
  
• I couldn't draw a conclusion from Bella's color-coded summary.
  
• AntB's point is valid.

[Magua]

I understand magua saying he'll lynch me tomorrow (today), but in all honesty, I was simply trying to avoid being NK'd. That and being replaced. So, with that said, I'd like to hear all attacks and arguments against me so that I can at least address them while I have the time.

Thanks for reminding me. VOTE: Looker

Allow me:

Looker: Null-to-scum. All-over-there votes (5 for D2) feels like someone trying to find a wagon, any wagon. Furthermore, I get zero read that Looker is trying to push a lynch on someone he thinks scummy -- that is, none of the votes are accompanied by any desire to have other people lynch the person being voted. Questions are asked of individuals, but nothing along the lines of, "I think X is scum, how about you vote him?"

And this was before you voted Egg.

You had no input about Conspiracy/Farside. Which did you find scummier? Which did you want to lynch? You don't say. Were you fine with either of them being lynched?

Blergh. Other stuff: Bella's vote analysis is IIoA, and seems to be missing some fairly obvious pieces of information -- eg, Egg is town, yet Looker voting Egg at the end of D2 is treated as if its any other scumread.

[andrew94]

i dont think looker scum would vote egg.

vote antb