Newbie 1072 - Game Over!

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Vote Count 1.6

Twistedspoon - 3 (gxw, Forseti, Mute)
Charlie - 1 (Ghostlin)
KingTwelveSixteen - 1 (FarmeriXi)
gxw - 1 (Charlie)

Not Voting - 3 (Dazzy, KingTwelveSixteen, Twistedspoon)

5 to Lynch.

Click for Deadline

[Twistedspoon]

I've looked at it. Seems pretty okay, as far as Town Doc plays so you're not VI in my book. Question is, how come you're not as cool as a cucumber when facing a threat of (mis?)lynch on D1? Do you think your play there and here are equal?

I'm sorry
It's just that some of my actions have been really ambiguous and confusing, like my supposed buddying to king, when I was saying a read of mine from an observation.
I've really gone and confused everyone.
I won't disappoint in candy zoo :3

what's a trifecta though?

[FarmeriXi]

I am getting a little off track from my previous post for this, but....

KingTwelveSixteen :1. Uh, "explaination fully warrants in this game"? Warrants what?
2. Which explanation? The one in the post where I say I am about to vote or my explanation of that post?

**Refer to the full context of the sentence this extract came from. It refers to King's post #9. KTS's counter against my questioning. Didn't you point out you gave the counters? That explaination warrants more. Why? because that was a different game, different players, different styles.

KTS :3. Voting on wagons for pressure happens all the time early day 1.

**Yes it does. But I have seen L-2 become all the pressure needed to push players to role claim or post a grand defense in D1. I just wondered if you were being a bit hasty about saying you were probably going to vote Charlie. Maybe you were trying to signal your scum buddy about your next action. If that is the case, I would say your scum bud was smart enough either a) to not hammer, b) remove themself from the pressure on Charlie as to not seem associated with your remark.

KTS :4. So its just gut then.

**Not gut, trying to reason is more like it.

[FarmeriXi]

Farmer: Not a lot to go on in my view. A small point of contention I have with him is his vote on King, which was based on what I saw as a misunderstanding of the vote status. He also said that King was "clearly scum" in his ISO #3, and then in #6 downgrades that to "a hint of scuminess".

Very

weak scum read.
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@ Farmer: Can you explain your change in language severity please?

I am sorry for the misunderstanding. I was merely pointing out that I felt King as scummy. Yes, ISO 3 I said clearly scum because I wanted to see how King reacted. ISO 6 was not meant as a down grade. I was merely pointing out I still had my suspicions raised toward King. The point was made such because there was so much going on with Charlie and TS I knew most no one would care about my calling King out. I have kept the pressure on King in case a fault is found, but as everyone else, I have been reading lengthy comments about the Charlie/TS reasoning.

Personally, I think Charlie and TS are both pro-town atm. I do know both mafia have been involved with their voting due to the way both of those players were wagoned so fast. I feel like a tell has fallen from one scum (haven't said what that is), but I am unsure of the other right now. If I make it through D1 lynch, I will post my thoughts before night falls.

[FarmeriXi]

I've noticed something odd about FarmeriXi's posts, I'll be keeping an eye on him though I'm not yet sure what yet. Now I'll address things in reverse chronological order.

Is this a good or bad "odd". Regardless it is too late to take it back, but you must not feel it is ever-so-scummy otherwise I would have been hit with a question. I think. *Shoulder shrug* Maybe your just waiting for more to go on.

[Twistedspoon]

I feel like a tell has fallen from one scum (haven't said what that is),

If you think you've hit scum then why not tell us?

[FarmeriXi]

Still early, and I want to see a few more of the un-said player's actions. *Keeping notes in the classified section of my underwear drawer to keep away prying eyes.*

[KingTwelveSixteen]

Guh, my computer ate my post. Here is an approximation of the points I made in list format, listed in the order I think of them.
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1. Farmer claims to have overstated(lied) about my scumminess to see my reaction in order to cover his inconsistency.

2. I apparently reacted townie-like, as he hasn't made any solid accusations of scumminess past stuff about my vote on Charlie.

3. He apparently thinks I am scummy soley because I said I was going to vote "to quickly".

4. Several other people have been less cautious with their votes. Farmer has shown little-to-no suspicion to any of these players. Or any player other than me actually. In fact,

the only person FarmeriXi has expressed suspicion of in this entire game is me.

Tunnel, tunnel, tunnel.

5. My post warrants no more explanation in my opinion, I didn't vote immediatly because I didn't want to blindly sheep someone else's argument, when it could have been just a misunderstanding or a misrep or something.

6. Why would scum-me need to signal his partner about anything? I would have told this hypothetical partner not to quicklynch until LyLo in the QT scum get before the game instead of making myself vulnerable by stating it in-thread, and I'm pretty sure nobody removed themselves from the pressure on Charlie after my post anyway so the second reason I would send a signal is moot.

7. Farmer has a scum-read, but he is pushing

me instead

because of a minor issue with voting style, and letting the scummy person get off scot-free.

9. You can't "know" both mafia have been involved with anything yet.

10. Farmer has specifically not commented on the TS and Charlie wagons other than "I think they are town. I will give no reasons for this belief" for the entirety of the game.

11.

"If I make it through D1 lynch"

Yeah, last I checked I was kind of the only person pushing you and I wasn't even voting you. In fact nobody is voting you. Why would you think that you were going to be lynched today? Is there perhaps a

reason

we would want to lynch you today? Like say, that you are scum?

12. Farmer started pushing me when I made a post that included me saying I had a neutral-scum read on him. OMGUS.

13. The part about making it through the lynch also further delays Farmer needing to post actual content on anybody other than me.

Vote: FarmeriXi

8. Twistedspoon's continued defense to the arguments against him has been mostly AtE.

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That part about not making it through the lynch I only noticed whilst writing this up, and is the main reason I voted instead of FoSing him like I originally did.

[Forseti]

Posting to check in just now. Had an unexpectedly busy couple of days, didn't leave much time for the game, unfortunately.

I'll be back to everything tomorrow.

[Twistedspoon]

I agree with King's points execpt for maybe only a couple.
For example, point 4 indicates farmer is tracking King.
Well it's better than no-one tracking you and letting you go under the radar

It seems similar to point 12 too though.

I still have small town read on him at present, mainly due to him not hammering me and his playstyle from the previous game.

[Twistedspoon]

8. Twistedspoon's continued defense to the arguments against him has been mostly AtE.

you were kind enough to put mostly in

:3

but srsly, Methinks you're still talking about my 'buddying' to you.
Well that wasn't what I was doing. It looks ambiguous and could be seen as that, but it wasn't.
and what's wrong with AtE if it keeps a townie alive? That's all that matters at the end of the day.
No prizes for logic.

But i see your point and have booted up my logic circuits now.

[Charlie]

what's a trifecta though?

I'm just saying that I've been bombarded with 1) strong logic 2) strong attack 3) strong reaction.
Thus, a trifecta

Twistedspoon, can you briefly describe your current situation in this game i.e. how you think you're faring, a general self-appraisal?
I ask because I'd like to compare it with mine.

[Twistedspoon]

Twistedspoon, can you briefly describe your current situation in this game i.e. how you think you're faring, a general self-appraisal?
I ask because I'd like to compare it with mine.

I don't think I've made a good first impression.
I tried to confront scum, what, 4 pages in?
I was clearly too overenthusiastic, reckless and lynch-happy, and this has made me appear slightly anti-town and carefree over lynches.
Many of the other players are very good. Credit to them
But i'll continue. If I give up then mafia win.

[Charlie]

My evaluation of you is a VT forced to claim at L-1 and you've decided to make the most of it. Think about it, you're now in a much stronger position than you were before. Now, I recommend going back to scumhunting.

Regarding my earlier read on FarmeriXi: I think I'll withhold telling the reason why I find him suspicious for the time being. I may have found something interesting, but I'll have to make sure of something first (I'll have to look up some research material on game theory -- don't wait up for me).

Awaiting further responses, especially from gxw.

[Twistedspoon]

Lynches I would not mind ATM:

Charlie, TS. King 1216.

why do you not mind a king lynch, ghostlin?

[gxw]

God damnit. I am so sorry, you guys can't even imagine. I was extremely excited to play this game, but this week, mostly because it is right before spring break, is very, very busy. I know I said, I would be back about 2 days ago and I didn't come through. Now I am promising you again, and I hope you will trust me. I will be posting actively again friday night at the latest. Again, I am extremely sorry about being a detriment to this game. It won't happen again after this week.

[Twistedspoon]

no worries
it's only a newbie game

[Charlie]

I think I'll read the stuff in the "Helpful Links" section.

*reads*

[KingTwelveSixteen]

...
and what's wrong with AtE if it keeps a townie alive? That's all that matters at the end of the day.
...

And how would we know if it is protecting a townie or a scum? Answer: We don't.

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Regarding my earlier read on FarmeriXi: I think I'll withhold telling the reason why I find him suspicious for the time being. I may have found something interesting, but I'll have to make sure of something first (I'll have to look up some research material on game theory -- don't wait up for me).

Awaiting further responses, especially from gxw.

Why does it seem like nobody wants to share their reasons in this game?

And why does it seem like about 3 people arn't posting at all? And havn't since about 3 days ago? *cough* Oh yeah, it's 'cause they arn't.
FarmeriXi is gonna be number 4...

[Twistedspoon]

...
and what's wrong with AtE if it keeps a townie alive? That's all that matters at the end of the day.
...

And how would we know if it is protecting a townie or a scum? Answer: We don't.

lol, that's not one of my cleverest statements

but it's worth mentioning that scum know who

[KingTwelveSixteen]

...
and what's wrong with AtE if it keeps a townie alive? That's all that matters at the end of the day.
...

And how would we know if it is protecting a townie or a scum? Answer: We don't.

lol, that's not one of my cleverest statements

but it's worth mentioning that scum know who

...Um...
...why?

[Twistedspoon]

because they can push townie lynches with 100% confidence

[Dazzy]

Apologies for the absence. Still not a lot of activity since I've been gone, but I will post my thoughts as soon as they're organised a bit.

[FarmeriXi]

Been absent about 2 days. I will post a reply to post #157 asap. I have already typed part of the draft, it's just been a crazy work week. Sorry all. Just to through it out there now though.

7. Farmer has a scum-read, but he is pushing me instead because of a minor issue with voting style, and letting the scummy person get off scot-free.

I did not say either way who it was. Also, what exactly is my issue with voting style? It wasn't King's voting style that raised my flag, it was the *I will probably vote for X-person, unless they are already at L-1" comment. That isn't a voting style, that is a play style, and two times this game King has been on the wagon of those being pressured with multiple votes and both times I have seen a lot of play on the quotes of those players, but I haven't seen any real, original thoughts of King's personal thought.

I will

[Ghostlin]

Lynches I would not mind ATM:

Charlie, TS. King 1216.

why do you not mind a king lynch, ghostlin?

Read up for that answer. Keep in mind that was before King acutally made one of the best looking cases I've seen this game.