Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Amrun]

Tunneling this early?

I swear, if someone hammers, I'll lose my mind. What kind of information can we get from a day one this short?

My top scumreads so far:

Twisted: WIFOM! WIFOM!
Mothras: Gut, using example Role PM, answering questions to others
Hoppster: Tunneling, and I don't feel it's in a town way. However... I think it's highly unlikely that both Twisted and Hoppster are scum. So, we'll see.

Much Lower:

Hazard: Active lurking ... but it's too early to really call someone out for that, so this is much more of a null.


Town:

Kalofer
vezok (despite his rolefishing, subject to change as mechanic becomes more obvious)
Zyrc (but a little bit of a sheep so far ... it's early, though)
mb (closer to null)


All of my reads are wishy-washy right now, which is why I hesitated to post them quite yet, but this game got seriously quickly. I wanted to give our less active members more time to post (plus, I have been quite busy myself).

[Twistedspoon]

At least i admit it's wifom

[Amrun]

That helps because...?

[Twistedspoon]

because scum wouldn't point out the faults in their own logic

[Amrun]

Yes, they would, in hopes of being forgiven for it, like you are doing now.

You just defended WIFOM with more WIFOM.

[mb53]

Saying scum wouldn't admit that it is WIFOM

is

WIFOM.

[ToastyToast]

massive post incoming

[Charlie]

Vote count 2

Twistedspoon (6) - Hoppster, Zyrconium, Hazard with a Glove, Morthas, vezokpiraka, Kalofer
Zyrconium (3) - Stels, ToastyToast, mb53
Kalofer (1) - crazypianist1116
Amrun (1) - Nobody Special
Hoppster (1) - Twistedspoon
vezokpiraka (1) - Amrun

Not voting: No one!
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[ToastyToast]

@Kalofer: I have a case on zyrconium (spelling?), but I want to respond to recent events first.

Zyrc, editing quotes or misquoting is really scummy
Also, answering questions directed at other players is scummy too. It was addressed to vezok, not you.
And, I don't think you know enough about me to judge me as a player.

Agree with point one, definitely a part of my case.
Point 2: Not true unless your answering for them.
Point 3: A response to another terrible post by Zyrconium, but still not a great response. It doesn’t matter how you play in other games. What matters is THIS game. Unless there is something unique to your playing style, I can judge you in this game.

Even I'm not stupid enough to buddy after telling hoppster off for it

I wasn’t buddying, but I don’t like the subtle teaching that it included. Also, calling yourself stupid isn't going to help matters. Say smart things instead.

This is the last time i'll be active day 1.

Trying to make yourself a victim.

and talk about wagoning.Is no-one here going to talk about any other suspects, or are we going to let the mafia lurk and walk free? Pro-lurking tunnelers you guys are.

I don’t consider it wagoning unless there is not case attached to it. Morthas gave plenty of reasons. And I’ll try not to lurk as much—I’ve been busy

If i was scum I'd be a lot less active and be defending myself a lot more. How can i scumhunt when you guys are at my necks? Once you stop tunneling, you'll see which direction we need to head in.

FLAILING and WIFOM. This post made me rethink my town read on you, and now I’m noticing a lot. For one, you continually suggest that you WIFOM a lot. Admittance of it can’t get you away from a mistake. The direction which, I suppose, is meant to be away from you.

I knew I should have gone with inventor mafia >_>

Sounds like someone’s given up…

anyways, If anyone else declares an intention to place a vote on me, then say so, and I'll claim

CLAIM NOW OR FOREVER GIVE UP CANDY

well scum would never do it, or they'd be in the position I'm in right now :/
anyways, that wasn't the biggest point of my argument. Probably the weakest actually.

because scum wouldn't point out the faults in their own logic

DumScum would. Plus, being caught generally brings about such weak arguments. Scum also might say this to get away with their faulty logic. Twisted, I am very ready to hammer. Zyrconium can wait.

[Stels]

like i say, I don't see the point in defending myself 5 pages in but to keep you guys happy, I'll say that scum would never be as active as me, I wasn't rolefishing, and my pro-townness outweighs my anti-towness

That's as far as I'll go on defending myself for now. I don't have time to talk about the only confirmed townie I know of in the game (me), when there are 12 other players who could be scum for all I know.

@Vezok: true, but I scumhunt better than i defend, and that's what I prefer to do 5 pages into the game. Defending myself at this point is just silly and only scum usually want to waste time by getting players to do this.

If i was scum I'd be

a lot

less active and be defending myself

a lot

more.

How can i scumhunt when you guys are at my necks?

Once you stop tunneling, you'll see which direction we need to head in.

So scum can't be be as active as you are? Really now? That's WIFOM.... as many have said...

oh really, and what does it suggest? Either make those suggestions now, expand your view or stfu cos I see it as being nothing more than flavour, and don't you mention this again unless you actually got something important to say.

What got up your ass this day? Pretty obvious that I already suggested something like 2 scum teams or 2 kills by one scum team, even if it's just flavor. I don't know whether what I said is reality, but it's out there for speculation. Yet as no one explained to me the game mechanics for mini themes, I don't know whether there actually are 2 scum teams...

@Hoppster:

let's go

1)

I've been too busy defending myself to vote.

That and I forgot. That and there are too many lurkers too choose between. That and it's only day 2.
4 reasons there

2) both. scum rarely have the same activity levels silly

3) see 1

4) see 3 (which is see 1)

5) he quoted me, and i never said it. That's misquoting

6) scum like to put words into people's mouths to hide the truth and exert their opinions

I thought you weren't going to defend yourself until page 8-9 and scumhunting was your best type of defense... Clearly not seeing anything like scumhunting so far. Might as well do that before you leave this world...

[Amrun]

If you have a case on Zyrconium, let's see it, Toasty.

[ToastyToast]

Ghaa, slept through our RVS
But glad to know this town is planning on taking it's time, even if scum has decided to make itself known...

if we're going to go into the psycology of smilies then yes, you could say I usually dissaprove of vote switching in RVS . You RVS for pressure - why would you destroy reasonless pressure on one person to push reasonless pressure on another?

1) And why would you NOT?(P.S. direct answer is so that someone else is feeling said "reasonless pressure")

anyone want to go RQS?

2) VOTE: twistedspoon
P-Edit: FUCK, there's more than 1!(or vezok is being a retard again, I'd give it even odds)
Vezok, don't ask retarded things like that.... and if you do, do it in PMs to the mod....

Ok so Zycronium's first vote and he is already attacking Twistedspoon. Since he claims that he slept through RVS, I think its safe to assume that he's voting TP based on his two points here. Point #1 is a matter of opinion. Point #2 is based on...suggesting to ask questions? How is that scummy? Also, his last line to Vezok is teaching. Vezok can ask as many retarded things as he wants if he's scum. He doesn't attack him but suggests that Vezok doesn't do so again.

And I found a way to break the game open.
Do evil people want to know your goodies? Y/N
Just answer and say nothing more. Everyone has to do this.

This is even worse role fishing btw, and it's role fishing that if vezok is town assumes the mafia are all really really retarded..... simple logic could turn this into a massclaim.
I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT PEOPLE DON'T ANSWER THIS.

So at this point, Zyrconium has continued to go after vezok. Yet, he doesn't vote for him and suggests that it can turn into a massclaim. I'm pretty sure that everyone, scum and town alike, would vote that evil people want to know your goodies.

Anyway, everybody lynch TS now, it's already taken too long.

@ Kalofer: There is nothing that says he is joking. Also, if it were, why didn't he respond when to people voted for him? Contributing any comment to "jokes" is always a bad idea. Just as TP has been saying "oh, i just use WIFOM a lot! ignore it," leaving Zyrconium can say "TEEHEEE I wasn't ACTUALLY trying to quick-lynch!"

Now post 82 is too long to quote, but Zyrconium only says a grand total of 5 phrases! He simply divides up the same Twisted Spoon quote he referenced earlier, playing it off as a brand new point. The whole TP encourages rolefishing thing is BS. TP turns Vezok's rolefishing

towards

him, which is fitting given that he obviously suspects Vezok. As does Zyrconium, who has now completely abandoned the Vezok issue and is instead using Vezok's posts to hurt the now-under-pressure TP.

Then there is the Hoppster buddying issue, which I have ignored but figured it should be mentioned as part of a case on him.

Add, Ad hom to my loist of reasons.

Fair enough, but...

He's refering to MB, reread the sentance, it's kinda subtle, but it's the only logical conclusion.

Whaaa, whaa, you're picking on me for talking too much!

This is AtE... it's suprisingly effective on me, but when I notice it, it pissed me off even more, if you happen to be town TS, you're really really bad at it.....

Add Ad hominem to my list of reasons. And hypocrisy.

Twistedspoon seems town to me >_>

How about offering me the same courtesy you requested and explain how you ended up with a town read on TS?

I can't even find said "courtesy." Nevertheless, you are dodging both mb53 and myself via placing more attention on TS. I don't like how Zyrconium has ignored the two votes on him, whether or not he finds them to be illogical.

I have found significant evidence against TP at this point, but it by no means makes TP our only suspect. He's just going with the most popular lynch, he only briefly talks about VEZOK-scum before turning it against TP, and has otherwise contributed very little.

[Amrun]

I'm still processing your case, but most of it looks good. Haven't really gone in-depth yet, though, but I needed to ask a question: Who is TP?

(Have not memorized playerlist yet x.x)

[ToastyToast]

I'm still processing your case, but most of it looks good. Haven't really gone in-depth yet, though, but I needed to ask a question: Who is TP?

(Have not memorized playerlist yet x.x)

Sorry, twistedspoon. I realize TS makes more sense but i just noticed that now lol

[mb53]

I assume TP is a typo for TS.

I'm hating TS. My gut is telling me that he is town, but all of the evidence points scum. I'd rather lynch zyr, where both gut, and evidence points to scum.

Go go zyr wagon.

P-Edit: I was right!

[Twistedspoon]

your gut is right

It looks like I have to claim now
am I allowed to quote my role PM?

[ToastyToast]

your gut is right
It looks like I have to claim now
am I allowed to quote my role PM?

I'm like 99% sure thats not allowed, even without looking at the rules

[Twistedspoon]

just checking

I'll go ahead and claim then

[ToastyToast]

your gut is right
It looks like I have to claim now
am I allowed to quote my role PM?

I'm like 99% sure thats not allowed, even without looking at the rules

Also, don't reveal any ingredients. We don't need those to lynch.

[Twistedspoon]

I am a

zoo visitor

I don't have any ingredients
My alignment is town though. My win condition is when all threats to the town are eliminated

Each night I can target another player to visit. If I target a candy animal I can take their goodies.
Apparently If i get enough of the goodies I can make something from them, I don't know what yet.

that's my claim.

[Morthas]

UNVOTE:
In order to prevent a hammer, time to think and maybe discuss his claim.

[Twistedspoon]

My thoughts on my role:

At first I thought I was the 'vanilla role' with the mafia having goodies for me to steal from.
But then I read the sample role PM and realised I wasn't a candy animal and therefore not the vanilla role.

I'm unsure if this role could also be used like a cop, as I might be informed if I cannot steal items, and mafia may not have items.
I don't know why I'd want ingredients, but apparently I can make something good with them.

[vezokpiraka]

Now I know why nobody said anything about my question.

If we believe your claim there has to be someone who has something like you or similar.


Does anyone want to counterclaim?

[Morthas]

When i meant discuss i didn't mean massclaim
If you want to discuss please do it in a neutral way without hinting your own role in any way. Please think before posting otherwise it will only hurt town.

[Morthas]

EBWOP

When i

meant

said

discuss i didn't mean massclaim