Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Zyrconium]

P.S. I get why people think TS is scum, I just happen to think his role doesn't do it the way scum would, and if he's not scum, then him stealing candy doesn't help scum(directly, we'll get to that at a later date, when we'll likely decide that TS shouldn't use his powers anyway, but he has to tonight anyway for verification reasons)

[mb53]

This means that since X wants Z and Y wants Z. X isn't neccesarilly Y.

Ah, that is a good point. Me and amrun are possibly being narrow minded?

[Hazard with a Glove]

Vote: Mb53

He doesn't even believe TS is worth voting until Hopster and Amrun restarted the wagon. And then he rolls with the "His claim is scum role with green text slapped on" after I believe Hoppster came up with it.

And, he's really been doing that kind of thing all game. When the TS thing first started, and it got pretty heated, Mb hopped off it.

Sorry, I thought I hit send on this a couple hours ago, and come to find it sitting here still open.

[Amrun]

Zyrc, yes, X isn't NECESSARILY Y, but I'm not inclined to risk it until I know.

Had TS not been scummy before this...

But he was, and my role PM says what it does.

I don't see how I can ignore it. It absolutely was not a mistake or offhand comment in the PM. It's emphasized.

[Charlie]

Vote count 4

Twistedspoon (2) - Amrun, ToastyToast
Zyrconium (2) - Stels, mb53
Amrun (2) - Nobody Special, Twistedspoon
mb53 (2) - Hoppster, Hazard with a Glove
Kalofer (1) - crazypianist1116
crazypianist1116 (1) - Kalofer


Not voting: Morthas, vezokpiraka, Zyrconium
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

[Nobody Special]

Holy Thread Asplosion, Batman!!

Seriously, 8-9 pages in ONE DAY?

I'm on page six. I'm going to read till I get sleepy and comment as I go along. More in the morning if I don't finish tonight.

Geez.

[Nobody Special]

Stream-of-consciousness thoughts as I read:

I'll say that scum would never be as active as me,

Bullshit. Not to mention WIFOM. Good scum are as active as town, or even moreso. Unless they're lurkerscum. (And, ninja'd.)

If you provide a good enough defense maybe then you can finally stop being that much of an attention ho
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encouraging someone to post less seems anti-town.

How is Morthas' comment encouraging you (or anyone) to post less?

This post is dripping with scumminess. TS has posted enough for us to adequately judge his playstyle.

Oh, look, more WIFOM.

Kalofer is probtown for this aggravating yet very pro-town post.

Oh, look. More flail from TS.

Okay, TS and Hopp need to get a room.

TS, STOP THIS OR I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN PERSONALLY. GOT IT YET?



Through page 7. Have to start on page 8 in the morning.

Goodnight, Candy Zoo People.

[Nobody Special]

Looking at the latest votecount, how the hell did TS go from L-1 or 2 to L-5? I guess I'll find out when I catch up.

Damn, this game.

[mb53]

(My) Sequence Of Events/Thoughts

Thought TS was town.
Kept getting scummier, even though I kept a gut town read.
Claimed, believed claim.
Realized that the claim had to be scum.
Trusts hazard, TS must be town.
-------

And then he rolls with the "His claim is scum role with green text slapped on" after I believe Hoppster came up with it.

No, I'm going with amrun's "My PM says that that role

is

scum"

Seriously though, TS, you honestly are really terrible (this game at least), whether you are town or scum.

[Nobody Special]

@Mod:

Could you, pretty please, put the deadline in each votecount? Thanks, ever so.

[Twistedspoon]

@mb:

shrug

I guess I couldn't stand the pressure. It all started when hoppster didn't say why he didn't want us to answer Vezok's question. It all got worse for me from there.

[Hoppster]

mb53 is really confusing me right now.

My role PM almost flat out states that your

(Twistedspoon)

role is scum.

I have my reasons

[for believing Twistedspoon will be a mislynch]

.

Unvote, Vote: Zyrc

I can guess those reasons.

(My) Sequence Of Events/Thoughts

Thought TS was town.
Kept getting scummier, even though I kept a gut town read.
Claimed, believed claim.
Realized that the claim had to be scum.
Trusts hazard, TS must be town.

Your role PM is very strongly suggesting Twistedspoon is scum, yet somebody floats in with "DON'T LYNCH HIM, I HAVE MY REASONS" and suddenly you clock on to his mysterious reasons

despite the fact your Role PM strongly implies he is scum

?

And why have you changed your wording from "I can guess those reasons" to 'trusting' Hazard? 'Guessing' involves at least some logic, but 'trust' is just a hunch thing... and I don't understand why you'd trust somebody on a hunch when it contradicts your Role PM.

[mb53]

Mmmm... I really don't want to say what I think hazard's reasons are, but I kind of have to to defend myself...

[Hoppster]

Goddamnit.

@ Hazard: Do you think it's likely mb53 will have been able to 'guess' what your reasons are, bearing in mind he apparently has a Role PM that makes out Twistedspoon as scum?

@ Amrun: Do you have any idea what Hazard/mb53 are on about?

[Amrun]

No, I really have no clue.

[Hazard with a Glove]

@Hop
Yes. It actually surprises me you can't.

[Stels]

So is it just me or is mb53 'trusting' Hazard with a Glove for no reason at all?

[crazypianist1116]

Ok so I just read through the whole thread essentially the first time. How you guys post 14 pages over 3 days, I have no clue. So difficult to keep up with. Sorry I didn't keep my promise of posting last night, I fell asleep somewhere around page 8.

Obvious wifom from twisted has already been pointed out as well as some other fallacies. I'm going to have to join the people that say my pm implies twisted is scum. I want to take another look at the hoppster/ts argument and stuff from zyrc and mb before I place my vote though. Expect some more tonight.

[mb53]

Jesus, why is everyone zeroing in on the word "trust". I 'trust' him now, because I can guess the reason he doesn't want twisted lynched.

[Stels]

Because it's a buddying term?

[vezokpiraka]

I am sick.
I read the last pages and I don't think TS is scum. Think about it amrun. Look at his claim and at your role PM and you can see what I am seeing.

[crazypianist1116]

Hoppster zoom out. I don't think TS is scum either.
Going to reread later with my new opinions but I've basically expressed what I feel.

[Charlie]

@Mod:

Could you, pretty please, put the deadline in each votecount? Thanks, ever so.

All future votecounts will have the deadline in them.
Currently, the deadline is Wednesday, 30th March at 1030 hours (GMT-5)

[Kalofer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mb53

Hoppster just said it all, so much contradiction is just too much to handle especially with absolutely zero revelation and so many claims to "know, trust and be sure". I want your thoughts in full and what exactly your role PM states about being sure that TS is scum.

I'm guessing the role PM of candy animal says that bad guys will try to steal your goodies?

If so, then I'm an exception

HOW CAN YOU GUESS THAT IF YOU'RE TOWN?

This is not a bastard mod. You know that you're town. Why speculate on PMs saying "bad guys will steal your goodies" if you KNOW that good guys do?

Perhaps he took it off of what vezok's first question was. So I don't think what he said is that bad as you make it look out to be. And to answer your question: it's cos he's a funny bunny who doesn't take this game seriously anymore and just writes the first thing that comes to his head.

My current opinions of people are:

mb53: scummy, I want him to reveal everything, I'm sick and tired of his annoying posts agreeing with people, saying that he knows things, agreeing with people when they say that they know things (while funnily enough trying to accuse the hell out of zyrc for sheeping) and for being inconsistent and constantly changing his views about everything (whether the last one is classically scummy or townie it still pisses me off).

Vezok: null to scum read, rolefishing seems interesting, the way mb supported him seems interesting, relatively little posting and scumhunting seems interesting, and as another point of interest, not stating his opinion on the amrun conspiracy (that TS is scum) while at the same time believing TS's claim seems slightly interesting (I'm pretty sure scum would divide themselves on a case between supporters and critics to try and prevent people from seeing similarities). What the hell are you seeing? Will someone say something openly for once for the love of God!?

Hoppster: Null. Brings up some really good points and seems to be pro-town to me with what I see as active scumhunting. But, lately I do think he is trying too hard to be a townie as well as a few recent posts which I found strangely odd (I'll look at them again and decide, CBA now though).

Crazypianist1116: null. More posts containing stances, opinions and reasons are needed (and maybe votes).

Hazard with a glove: I don't know, could go either way, could really know something as he says he does (doubt it though) or again could be one of those scum going against the case/wagon.

Nobody Special: null, just repeated a lot of what had already been said, but to be fair still hasn't finished reading the whole thing.

Toasty Toast: null, doesn't strike me as either, could go either way.

Amrun: town, I don't think scum would start such an original wagon as amrun did after TS claimed town, knowing that (if amrun was scum) TS would flip town.

Morthas: meh, town. Observer player who doesn't really do THAT much.

Stels: town, just look at the guy, I don't know but personally while I do allow that scum may speculate about the mechanics like vezok and rolefish, this guy takes it a whole step further and suggests that the two "people" killed before could mean there's two scum teams...WTF? Oh wait a second, is that you charlie sheen? You should really lay of the drugs dude, they're not doing you any good, but don't worry, even if you lose you'll still be winning.

Zyrconium: I have no idea, I'll have to review your posts again, but compared to other scum, and because you're Scottish I'll put you at town.

TwistedSpoon: I dunno, but I prefer the WIFOM that he is an honest idiot to the WIFOM that he is a scheming little devil. The guy makes no attempts to save himself, after the pressure valve got loosened when at the start most believed his claim he goes on to make himself suspicious again, he's a suicidal maniac s'all he is.

[Amrun]

Vezok, I don't see it. My PM says he must be scum.

If he isn't scum, I can't trust the wording of my PM. Until it is proven that I shouldn't do so, I will trust my PM.