Execution Mafia GAMEOVER!

[mallowgeno]

Charter is being prodded, SO is close to getting a prod

[Umbrage]

Exe, kill Amrun. If Amrun is scum, we vote Ant to kill

Final Fires

Umbrage. If Amrun is town, we vote Ant to kill

Setael

Umbrage. If Exe goes rogue, vote Ant to kill Amrun, then kill Exe the next day.

This is the more protown plan.

I'd like your name and flavor Ant, but I think you're town. The role makes sense to me as a way to mitigate scum's night votes. Does your role counter scum's day votes at all or just night? Can you not vote yourself during the day either, or just not at night?

WHY?

Honestly, does nobody know how to play town nowadays?

[Tragedy]

It includes you, Umbrage.

Anyways..

If Amrun = Town -> SO must Die.
If Amrun = Scum -> Uhh.

[Umbrage]

It includes you, Umbrage.

Anyways..

If Amrun = Town -> SO must Die.
If Amrun = Scum -> Uhh.

My first thought: what does this mean?
My second thought: does it really matter?

[Twistedspoon]

anyone want to vote on a nightkiller?

[Tragedy]

I voted Umbrage
also the following need to die
Amrun
Exe
Final Fires

For a long time, it DOES matter.
I don't see SO pushing the wagon, but complaining against 'em.

[charter]

Guess I haven't posted my "kill Umbrage and TS" speech in a while, so... you know... Kill Umbrage and TS.

[Setael]

[b]vote for night executioner: Ant[/b]

[Ant_to_the_max]

Name is Town Leader. My vote always counts twice day or night. When I said I can't vote for myself, I meant at night due to the rule that no one can do that. Im fine taking it if you don't think it will be stolen.

[Tragedy]

Nobody can obviously vote for themselves at night, right..?

[Setael]

Yeah... weird the way you worded your original claim. Why would you say you can't vote for yourself if you're referring to night and we all know that no one can? It definitely makes more sense in this game though for a double voter to be town.

[Final Fires]

Alright, here's my proposal:

Kill SO today as the execution.
If SO is scum -> Kill Umbrage
If SO is town -> Kill Am

If SO flips town (which I doubt), then I'll have to reconsider my read on Umbrage. Plus I think SO is the better choice to kill, because last night he didn't vote according to our plan, where as at least Umbrage and Am did (if we were to assume they're telling the truth).

I don't think Ant having the NK is the right choice. Like he said, it doesn't allow him to use his role to the best of its ability. I would not be against Charter, Tragedy, or myself receiving it. I would say Exe too, but we've learned our lesson about giving the same person the DK and NK.

I made a post outlining how your logic regarding PMs was flawed. Instead of arguing the merits of the case, you started asking me for... posts where I was scumhunting? And flat-out disregarding my case. I'm not trying to find posts where you feel I was scumhunting when you can just yell 'speculation' at anything.

Tell me what post number it is if you still want me to address it. If you're talking about #1086, there's nothing I can argue in that because all you're saying is that I'm wrong and shouldn't be trusted.

The reason I asked you to post one time you were scum hunting was because I posted this:

All of Umbrage's "scum hunting" has consisted solely of lining up lynches and pointless speculation

And you made no attempt to respond to it, which made me wonder if you couldn't argue it. I very briefly skimmed through your ISO and couldn't find any case against people that wasn't something along the lines of, "Well, if Player X is scum then it makes a lot of sense that Player Y would be scum, so I think we should execute...". I'm not going to say 'speculation' if it's a case against an individual; but if it's drawing connections between several players, then I will.

I see. But what if, just like how the townie PM mentions witches, the mafia PM mentions puritans? Odds are that it does, mods like to keep the same format for both scum and town PMs. It's easy to assume the mafia were able to figure out that the town PM mentions witches.

That's true. Still, I think it's a bold thing to post that so quickly into day one. Especially because if you were wrong it would definately result in your execution.

I did mention SO in that post. Either you missed it, which means you haven't read carefully, or you are misrepresenting me. Honestly, what am I supposed to think at this point?

You did mention SO in the post, but I wasn't talking about the post as a whole. I was talking about this:

This allows players like charter, Ant, Cedricson, and Tragedy to get away with the bare minimum scum hunting. This is not a healthy environment

You neglected to put SO as a player that was "getting away with the bare minimum scum hunting", but called out four others.

So you see my point. Whether or not this 'leader' system is your fault, it's causing problems. One of the main reasons I think you are scum with Exe is because although you two disagree a lot, you don't attack each other, or call each other scummy.

If anyone's to be put at fault for the leader system, it would be the game setup. We're required to elect one person each day and night; that naturally lends itself to people stepping up into a leader role.

On day one I thought Exe was scummy. However, after last night's flips his stances look a lot more pro-town to me. Plus, I don't view disagreeing with me as a scum tell.

So if anything this is a reason to kill SO. Your main point on me is how I defended SO. But these are only points against me if SO is scum. So why not lynch SO?

This is actually a really good point. My argument against you is very contingent on SO being scum; it makes more sense to kill him today than you.

No. I will not do so. My ISO is there for everyone to look at. If there's something you think has not been good scum hunting, feel free to point it out. I am not digging out old posts for you to say "sorry, no".

Once I have more time I'll go through your ISO.

[Ant_to_the_max]

I just brought it up to emphasize my usefulness is when I vote for someone else and not trying to get others to vote me

I'm fine with FF's plan. I think that covers our bases pretty well.

[Setael]

I still can't see umbrage defending SO as hard as she did yesterday if they're scum buddies, and I don't like the plan of killing SO before amrun. There is NO way amrun is town (have you been reading her posts today? On top of what she did yesterday she is lurking and contributing nothing but pointless fluff.) She is scum. She dies first. Nothing in the case on SO is convincing enough to usurp Amrun dying today.

Kill Amrun today as the execution.
If Amrun is scum -> Kill Umbrage
If Amrun is town -> Kill SO

[Setael]

Also, if amrun flips scum I will be much more suspicious of FF and Ant for trying to move the day kill from Amrun to SO when the case on Amrun is so much more solid. Just a little note for future reference.

[StrungOver]

It includes you, Umbrage.

Anyways..

If Amrun = Town -> SO must Die.
If Amrun = Scum -> Uhh.

deal

[Tragedy]

If Amrun = Town -> SO must Die.
If Amrun = Scum -> TS must Die.

Period of Correction.

[Setael]

If Amrun = Town -> SO must Die.
If Amrun = Scum -> TS must Die.

I can get behind that.

[Setael]

I'm also leaning toward Tragedy as the best night executioner.

[Umbrage]

All of Umbrage's "scum hunting" has consisted solely of lining up lynches and pointless speculation

Well fine, that's your opinion. I'm not about to try and argue such a ridiculous generalization. If you want to delve into specifics, I'm all ears. Asking me to prove I've been scumhunting is a useless exercise.

You neglected to put SO as a player that was "getting away with the bare minimum scum hunting", but called out four others.

So? I wanted to draw attention to SO's sudden change of opinion, so I made a separate sentence to deal with him specifically. I wasn't ignoring him.

If anyone's to be put at fault for the leader system, it would be the game setup. We're required to elect one person each day and night; that naturally lends itself to people stepping up into a leader role.

Yes, but it's still anti-town.

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Amrun is the kill today. We are not going to send the message that you can fuck the town over and get away with it. If the executioner goes awry, the executioner must die.

[Ant_to_the_max]

Then don't go voting her for night executioner when she clearly stated what her intent was....

That looks like you set her up to fail

[Twistedspoon]

I like the FF plan. I'm cool with him being executioner for the nightkill.

If Amrun = Town -> SO must Die.
If Amrun = Scum -> TS must Die.

Period of Correction.

hang on, why am I in this?

[charter]

Ok, FF plan is ok with me. We can kill TS the next day. Who are we voting night executioner? Exe again? and FF if Exe goes rouge? Sounds good.

[Twistedspoon]

Kill SO today as the execution.
If SO is scum -> Kill Umbrage
If SO is town -> Kill Am

this

[Setael]

@ charter, TS, FF and Ant:

Please explain how the case on SO is somehow better than the one on amrun.