Metropolis: Revisited [Game Over]

[Friend]

/confirm

[Friend]

If so, I think the game would be broken, Kise.

[Friend]

Lynch him NOW.

[Friend]

ThAdmiral is also scum.

[Friend]

We roleblock one and kill one, or just kill one if we don't have enough votes. Doesn't seem too complicated.

We just need to talk about who we're striking before it happens.

[Friend]

I'd strike Wraith right now if I was going to strike anybody.

[Friend]

Vote: Wraith

Good idea.

[Friend]

I think Toogeloo's strike wasn't scummy. Acting impulsively is a null-tell. The people jumping all over him for it I find more scummy, CKD/Hresz/KageLord being prime examples. KageLord's vote post was ridiculously vague.

Kage, which do you think it is? Bad town play, or a scummy move? The vote implies that it's the latter, but it seems to me like you just mentioned the first so you'd have an excuse for if/when he flips town.

UNVOTE: Wraith
VOTE: KageLord

I still suspect Wraith, though - not just cause he's worrying about the setup/gamebreaking, but because he's done nothing else worth mentioning except chide Toogeloo for the strike (which is an easy way to buy yourself town points).

[Friend]

AGar, do you have a town read on Wraith even if you get rid of the gamebreaking deal?

[Friend]

Hey Kise, why do you think Toogeloo's strike was more scummy than stupid?

[Friend]

I still can't shake my feeling that the strike is a complete null-tell. It's anti-town and stupid, but those things != scummy, necessarily.

[Friend]

MoI, where did I say Toog was definitively stupid town, or that I even had a town read on him? I just think the strike is a complete null-tell.

Kage, same thing with you.

I don't get how saying "it's a dumb scum strat" (paraphrasing here) is a real defense of Toog's actions. Wouldn't "it's a dumb town strat" be an equal attack against it? All it says is that it was a dumb move either way.

Exactly my point. And one game doesn't make a meta attack legitimate.

[Friend]

Hrezs is scummy.

UNVOTE: Wraith
VOTE: Hrezs

[Friend]

The lurking hydras trouble me.

[Friend]

It's a CLEAR anti-town motivation, but anti-town doesn't make him scum.

I feel like I'm defending him too much, because I don't have a town read on him. I think his reaction to the strike shows some scumminess, but the strike itself isn't inherently scummy.

Gummy Bear, there's other lurking hydras out there.

[Friend]

Hmm, I guess it has been only two days. It feels like a lot has gone down.

[Friend]

I find Bunnylover's case on Kublai Khan just flat-out bizarre. Bunnylover's up there on my scumlist, and like Plum said about Exe, in a game with this many scum there's a good chance it's an accurate read.

[Friend]

Hrezs is posting nothing more than the most basic levels of analysis. Classic scum-strat there. I pretty much agree with what has been said.

Vote: Hrezs

Not to defend Hrezs, but I find this quote hilariously hypocritical.

[Friend]

Again, this isn't a vote of support for KK's townieness, but I think that the points he brings against Bunnylover are valid - complete misrepping, among other things.

[Friend]

DGB, may I ask why the town read on Exe?

[Friend]

Yeah. I'm fairly meh on KK. I think BL is scum most likely.

[Friend]

Exe, how about the accusation of you going after Hrezs for posting "basic analysis" when your posts at the time consisted of fluff and rule questions?

[Friend]

What had you done at the time that Hresz hadn't? Why are you free from the accusation you placed on Hresz?

[Friend]

@LOL at ThAd.
Are you going to claim that you and Agar are exactly alike? Because unless you can prove that, there is no inconsistency.

You had me as scum because I was defending wraith's position on not wanting to break the game, right? If anything AGar was defending wraith's position

more strongly

than I was.

@ everyone:

Check out friend, he's done a bunch of weird stuff so far including:
- voting wraith for playstyle choice (obv he wasn't the only one guilty of this)
- defending toogeloo because the action was "anti-town but not scummy" (not actual quote, paraphrased)
- claiming gummy had been lurking after 2 days
- thinks bunnylover is "scum most likely" (actual quote) but keeps his vote on hrezs. Reason he voted hrezs in the first place? Hasn't supplied one.
- In fact points out that others (such as exe) have been contributing just as little as hrezs. Still keeps vote on hrezs.

vote: friend

ABR basically said what I had to say in response to this. This is a pretty baseless case. I also didn't call out Gummy for lurking - it was more towards ObliviousDruidMuncher and Baby Spice. I still think it was a valid concern.

Am I not allowed to scumhunt if my vote on is on another player? That's also not the problem I have with Exe, by the way. It seems like you're just skimming the thread.

[Friend]

Hrezs is a solid wagon. That's not the point I'm trying to contend. The ultimate point I'm trying to make is that you're scum - I think that's pretty clear.

Umm...since when in Mafia are you not allowed to accuse someone of something scummy unless you've contributed X amount to the thread? That's hardly how this game works.

I don't think you're missing my point on accident. I'm saying it's hypocritical to accuse someone of not contributing anything more than basic analysis when you contributed fluff. I find hypocrisy scummy.

[Friend]

There were things in the RVS you could have commented on. Wraith, for example.

Getting angry isn't going to solve anything.

[Friend]

Just calling a good case shit doesn't make it so. Especially when your content provided wasn't anything more than basic levels of analysis either.

[Friend]

Not true. I found the quote where you called out Hrezs hypocritical. It's because of the weak content in that vote post and the lack of content before.

And don't act like it's just "participating in the RVS." You could have talked about Wraith. Why didn't you discuss the Wraith issue instead of just messing around?

[Friend]

You're now deflecting my point into a semantic discussion. I can revise my attack. I don't think the post where you voted Hrezs was good at all either.

[Friend]

Admiral, I'm voting Hrezs because I think he's scum. However, we have lots of scum in this game. Talking about one that everyone has talked about would be purely beating around the bush.

MoI, I wasn't defending Hrezs. I think that's the point I was trying to make. I don't see where you think I did.

[Friend]

Basically because there is a lot of scum in this game I believe easy lynches are going to occur much more frequently. This is because scum will generally be happy with any lynch that is not of their own member. I am not suggesting all the scum are going to pile on every lynch, but I certainly think we won't be seeing as many divisive views on most wagons as you would in other games. My theory, therefore, is to discard the first bandwagon of the day as any subsequent bandwagon, comprised of a core of the people who weren't on the original bandwagon, will be inherently less scummy (or scum-driven) than the first one.

So you are anti-Hrezs wagon?

[Friend]

Baby Spice, do you have any solid scum reads whatsoever? What do you find useful about posting your various townreads?

[Friend]

I'm intrigued.

[Friend]

You can do more than you're asked, Baby Spice.

[Friend]

Admiral, are you anti-wagon because of your. theory, or because you think Hrezx is town?

[Friend]

Seriously, how am I wrong here? He's not reading the thread, and his entire accusation was essentially just rhetoric.

You're ignoring this:

Bullshit, it wasn’t a deflection…scum points for BOTH.

Vote Exe, Agar, might believe that crap (but I dont think he does), but I really doubt you...I also dont like how you are jumping on Hrez as the wagon is getting hot.

[Friend]

I can see KK vs. BL being scum-on-scum.

Nacho, what is your read on Bunnylover?

[Friend]

Baby Spice, that is fairly ridiculous.

You're getting up there on my scumlist too.

Magua: I'm for it.

[Friend]

I could also go for a Baby Spice lynch.

[Friend]

Bunnylover came out of that exchange horribly. So did Kublai Khan.

DGB I'm still unsure about when it comes to town v. scum but the day SK would do both us and them a huge favor if they killed her.

[Friend]

I think it's a dumb idea. But DGB wants it...so...

/strike: DrippingGoofball

[Friend]

No.

[Friend]

I feel worst about Exe.

[Friend]

Hm. The claim is interesting but I'm willing to believe it for now.

vote: Exe

I think it might better serve us to move on to someone equally obv-scum.

[Friend]

Okay. Catching up now.

[Friend]

Hey guys. I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you guys to look at my past games. Yeah, succession mafia. Yeah, Vi's Mafia on Holy Orders. Yeah, a couple ongoing ones where I've been lynched. All as town.

And you'll see that the way I put forth my scum targets is not really in cases. I call out people. I say people are scummy without really putting it into concrete words. But it's just the way I play, and I've seen too many scum-driven wagons go through on me because of it. It's total bullshit.

I want LLD dead, but with all the strikes it's not worth it. Of the two competing wagons, KageLord is the scummier. If you really want I can try and organize my thoughts on him, but it's really not the way I play.

[Friend]

And it's happening again. Scum pushing me on shitty cases because my playstyle's brief.

I swear to god people ignore what I'm actually saying just because it comes in one/two line format. Points can be summed up in shorter sentences and they're still just as goddamn valid.

[Friend]

Bunnylover / LLD are both scum, probably on the same team too.

[Friend]

Responding to prod. Let me get caught up.