Metropolis: Redemption [Game Over]

[Stefunny]

I agree with Espe, Farside, and AGar but basing the other two on CD does not make obvtown.

[Stefunny]

Also, what made you leave Fate off that list?

[Fate]

I'm on there.

[MagnaofIllusion]

This is what should happen:
AGar gives BP vest to Farside
Farside watches AGar
Doc is on Espeonage
Espeonage shoots scum

Someone let me know if there is something wrong with that overall picture

I have some thoughts in the back of my mind but they are very unlikely scenarios so they aren’t worth mentioning. Part of me just is nervous with some assumptions we are making that might be incorrect, just having witnessed a good plan fail simply due to a couple invalid assumptions.

@AGar

– do you have any objections to passing to Farside? Also, please confirm with RC that you can pass it tonight before we finalize this plan of action.

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Because naturally SK knows I wasn't SK and also knows I wasn't appearing town. Thus omg he must be mafia so I'll kill him to help me win. That's why.

That’s a pretty stupid premise. With a Day 1 Mafia lynch any SK worth his salt should be deathly afraid of PoE as opposed to hunting scum who are already on the ropes. So unless you think the SK is a moron (which I admit is possible) the more likely option is that both the Mafia and SK went obv-Town hunting and got stopped by combination of BP Vest, Medic, or Town appearing SK.

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I didn't comment on CD becuz the day ended before I could @@ I mean why would you not comment on CD claiming scum?

Bzzt. Incorrect chief. I’m not talking about CD’s direct claim of scum after he was already lynched. I’m talking about his scummy play before the wagon really kicked off on him (which it absolutely should have).

CooLDoG drops his “I’m pure scum” flag waving at 60.
Fate makes the appropriate “Kill it with fire” post at 72.
At 79 you make ZERO mention of CooLDoG or Fate’s comments at all. You are content to keep your vote parked on Town Malth (leaving him the leading Wagon at 3 votes after Farside’s vote at 78).

So your explanation here that the day ended before you had a chance to comment is 100% FACTUALLY INACCURATE. Nice attempt to laugh it away with a soft insult. You’ve upgraded your reactions since Blackest Night.

I’ll certainly throw a vote to LMP as he’s in the PoE pool currently but in the meantime I’ll continue to point out obv-scum NoPoint.

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Gee Whiz! I'll join this time! although shouldn't we wait for one last excuse from him?

Vote: LMP

Oh look here comes another dreaded relational tell from MoI.

If LMP isn’t Trifecta then Gold absolutely is for Newbie-scum style bandwaggoning.

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So your basing this on flips. That's a nice stawman. Hold people accountable for their vote after a flip, but ignore everyone on Gold since scum don't bus right?

If you are trying to say relationship based scum-hunting is the equivalent of a strawman argument then either you are being purposefully dense or are on the happy juice.

Not sure exactly what ‘ignoring everyone on Gold’ means in relation to scum-hunting. I have to look back but don’t remember CooLDoG voting for him.

I love how you keep ignoring my point completely.

And I love how you keep ignoring my points / questions also.

I’m done discussing this with you. You’ve already got you mind made up and despite your questionable play you are as confirmed Town as you can get. I’m not going to waste more time debating with you about your play.

Suspect me if you want … I’m happy at this juncture to let PoE win this thing and will take the rope if necessary as part of the process.

[ReaperCharlie]

Metropolis

∴

Redemption

— The Phantom Pollbooth

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LynchMePls [5] – nopointinactingup, Fate, farside22, Gold, AGar

ShadowGuru [2]

– Stefunny, LynchMePls

nopointinactingup [1]

– MagnaofIllusion

Not voting

– Espeonage, GummyBear, ShadowGuru

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With 11 alive, it is 6 to lynch. The deadline for Day 2 is March 24th, 8pm PST (11pm EST).

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[Fate]

HAMMERIN' TIME

[Fate]

I agree with Espe, Farside, and AGar but basing the other two on CD does not make obvtown.

^Here's your vig shot for tonight, Espeon.

I'm serious.

[Stefunny]

I agree with Espe, Farside, and AGar but basing the other two on CD does not make obvtown.

^Here's your vig shot for tonight, Espeon.

I'm serious.

Because I mentioned that Shadow neglected to mention anything about you other than you weren't visited on his little alignment sheet?
Because you and Shadow keep dancing around each other when neither of you have confirmed roles either?

[LimMePls]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LMP

LMP is hardcore lurking at this point.

Don't like the Espy claim, but oh well. (P.S. - He's not mod-confirmed town Fate. Such a thing would be easy to fake.)

Other than that... I'm kinda blech right now.

Lurking? Cause I don't play on weekends? LOL!

Posting tomorrow.

[GummyBear]

Fate, can you respond to this? Thanks.

Additionally, Shadow needs to respond to our question in 239.

even if he attributed one of my quotes to CMAR

My bad.

So your basing this on flips. That's a nice stawman. Hold people accountable for their vote after a flip, but ignore everyone on Gold since scum don't bus right?
Seriously.

I fail to see how that's a strawman. It's good for us that you're pretty much confirmed town, cause otherwise, you'd be our first mislynch. Also, excellent OMGUS-vote in the same post... *sigh*

Espy is also confirmed town due to lack of CC.

Shadow's plan in 298 is good, as far as I can tell. I see no problems with it, as long as the BP vest can still be passed. +townpoints

With that + farside being town + AGar's catch on nopoint, which bolsters our additional feelings on him:

VOTE: Nopoint.

-quadz

[GummyBear]

Also, I intended to add this to the previous post, but my copy & paste must've messed up. Looking at LMP's ISO, I'm unconvinced that he's scum. Additionally, a hammer this early is bad for town. Reducing discussion = bad.

-quadz

[GummyBear]

To add, I wanted to clarify that we think the discussion needs to continue for farside to have something to think about in regards to potential subjects to watch. I want to especially mention Fate, for calling for a hammer to end discussion while you had an outlying post that needs to be addressed.

Additionally, while I agree Shadow's been using his head far more than I've ever seen the Furc side of him do before, I agree with MoI that we need to be cautious. Both of us know exactly what he's talking about, and it wasn't pretty. His plan leaves room for three people to be confirmed town, but I do have my own concerns, which I'm sure are the same "back of the head paranoid" thoughts that MoI has. It also potentially wastes a watch...but with the upside of leaving a town alive, so...meh.

-Singer

[ShadowGuru]

Additionally, Shadow needs to respond to our question in 239.

CMAR, You’ve only ever played in one other game with Singer, which is currently ongoing. D1 of the game isn’t even over yet. How can you possibly claim to be able to read her meta?

I can't, that was Furc.

Shadow, your 180 is just not good. LMP points out a flaw in your reasoning and you respond with the equivalent of “NUH UH I’M RIGHT YOU’RE WRONG.” And then (in your 183) calling MoI flailing scum? Really? Come on, now. And LMP and MoI are NOT buddying you. You should maybe check the definition of buddying.

I agree with this and therefore see no reason to respond to it.
You must understand, everything between the beginning of Day 2 and up until post 297 and 298 (which were mine) was of Furc's doing. I was absent.

I for one find MoI very protown so I'm leaving him as Town/SK

With that + farside being town +

AGar's catch on nopoint

, which bolsters our additional feelings on him:

Explain? I ISO'd Agar and don't see it.

To add, I wanted to clarify that we think the discussion needs to continue for farside to have something to think about in regards to potential subjects to watch. I want to especially mention Fate, for calling for a hammer to end discussion while you had an outlying post that needs to be addressed.

Truly, it is up to Farside. He can WIFOM whether he wants to watch AGar tonight or use an investigation and keep his watch to watch another clear another night. Mafia would have to have some balls to be able to test him and kill AGar tonight though.

FARSIDE, SEE THIS ^

Additionally, while I agree Shadow's been using his head far more than I've ever seen the Furc side of him do before

*cough* CMAR *cough*

[AGar]

I have no problems passing to Farside. I'll ask RC but I doubt I'll be answered. We'll see.

[farside22]

If you are trying to say relationship based scum-hunting is the equivalent of a strawman argument then either you are being purposefully dense or are on the happy juice.

Not sure exactly what ‘ignoring everyone on Gold’ means in relation to scum-hunting. I have to look back but don’t remember CooLDoG voting for him.

My comment about ignoring everyone on Gold. Wow that was a mistake.

It should say ignore everyone that was on CoolDog because scum don't buss (sarcasm).
In other words your looking at those off the wagon is more suspicions to me. Scum buss all the time and that wagon on CD was an easy one for scum to float on. I find you saying hey you voted for confirm town at the end of the day, therefore scum weak analysis. Town is more ignorant then scum on who is what. Town are just as likely to question and vote ignorantly where scum do it on purpose.

anyways I see people giving out night actions. It makes me want to vomit. Should we red flag the scum our motives? Really?
I'm going to make a suggestion here.
Espy: Wait to the flip. If LMP flip scum look at those who voted between CD and LMP. Look at what is said. I have yet to see any connection other then MOI and Gold. Fate's point on Stef isn't bad.
Agar: I think giving me the vest is for best. I hated to claim, but apparently not having as much time to post and questioning things as I do is highly questionable.
Doctor: Protect Agar. I'm not watching him. I have a plan.

That is all I got for action. I'm not sharing what I'm doing tonight. I would like to WIFOM the SK/Mafia on what I'm going to do.

[Fate]

Also, Fate: Nothing was worded about it being a 1-shot or invincible. Part of my suspicion on being shot was that I was not instructed to pass it on at any point.

So you're saying its lost or what are you saying?

What do you think about the Medic claiming and receiving it? His protection last night is confirmed Non-Halfscum (either SK or Mafia)

I'm curious as to how you came to the conclusion that the medic had a successful save. For all you know, AGar could've been the target of both the SK and mafia. Unlikely, but I don't know how that could be anything but speculation (aka MoI's list) at this point.

I'm not responding to you blatant rolefish, Gummy

[MagnaofIllusion]

It also potentially wastes a watch...but with the upside of leaving a town alive, so...meh.

The importance of keeping a Confirmed VT alive (this is all in context of the plan) is due to PoE considerations.

At the start of today we have 11 alive. Working on the premise we aren’t making stupid assumptions we have 3 confirmed Town so there are 8 unconfirmed.

Of those 8 we have 2 Trifecta and 1 Evil Angel. We will be lynching from that pool today. Worst case we don’t hit scum so 7 players with 3 Non-Town factions.

The Mafia and Evil Angel have a tough decision. Attempting kill the 'confirmed' means they miss a kill, which they ostensibly don’t want to do so failing to kill by aiming at Farside or Esp or AGar isn’t usefull. That leaves them effectively Doc hunting in the pool of 5 unknowns for the Trifecta and 6 for Evil Angel.

Even with a mutli-kill on a single target / attempt on the Evil Angel by scum or Pyromaniac we are likely down to 5 unknowns after tonight. If the Doc is still alive they can claim and have a pool of 4 unknowns, worst case of which is 75% scum.

On the off chance both Non-Town factions want to play the waiting game things aren’t much better. Lynching will eliminate at least 1 from the pool, an eventual Doc claim eliminates another, and the Pyromanic gets two more shots at eliminating scum or identifying the Evil Angel who can by lynched.

If we don’t have bad assumptions Town is in a very good position following the plan.

Whether all participants want to actually follow the plan determines if the above is just idle speculation or not.

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It should say ignore everyone that was on CoolDog because scum don't buss (sarcasm).
In other words your looking at those off the wagon is more suspicions to me. Scum buss all the time and that wagon on CD was an easy one for scum to float on. I find you saying hey you voted for confirm town at the end of the day, therefore scum weak analysis. Town is more ignorant then scum on who is what. Town are just as likely to question and vote ignorantly where scum do it on purpose.

Where do you ever see me advocating that everyone on the wagon is 100% Town? Nowhere. I fully understand scum bus. I’m not new at this.

Fact remains that scum also ignore partners when possible. The speed with which CooLDoG’s wagon grew means to me it is likely that at most 1 partner bussed him. So I find it is more effective to focus my energy on the smaller pool of suspects and scum hunt as I see fit. In this case I was directly looking for behavior that ignored / softly commented on the Confirmed scum while pushing on the Dead Town.

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@Esp

- Shoot whoever you feel has the greatest chance of being scum. Input from everyone is usefull but in the end you should make the decision you feel strongest about. If your kill fails at Night you should be identifying your target first thing tomorrow.

[ShadowGuru]

CMAR, I was widely considered town and scumhunting before you began posting, so don't "cough" at me
I'd love to show our quicktime and how little you have contributed there

I am not posting in our quicktime anymore. He hasn't been doing shit, and now he jumps in and is getting praised. awesome.

I haven't been guiding the game into proper play or anything with a fucking dead hooker and a watcher .... no....

singer is such an idiot, but quadz is appearing town, so i'm not sure if i want a GB switch
Gold is lurking scum, but LMP gets on my nerves, so I'm going to hammer him

[ShadowGuru]

I have no problems passing to Farside. I'll ask RC but I doubt I'll be answered. We'll see.

yeah, he isn't fucking answering shit, which is why fate's whole
"espeonage is.confirmed.town" is suspect
comparing it to one of them having to be the fucking vig, and the other likely being the SK (YOU KNOW, I DISAGREE WITH THIS.... and here's why... because Fate is just a bored townie)

However, it does appear he wants both he and his CC alive... I wonder why?


Anyways, enough speculation
Doctor watch AGar like Farside said
We will follow my hydra heads plan for lynching, and MoI's plan for tomorrow
I feel as if we have everything in order for a hammer.
that being said:

Vote: LMP

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[LimMePls]

Hammer is terrible, but whatever my claim wouldn't save me anyways. I'm just a VT, so my claim meant nothing. You guys have more than enough brains/awesome-sauce power in here, so my reads will probably just be ignored. GL town.

P.S. The accusation of lurking is BASELESS. Just FYI.

[ShadowGuru]

CMAR, I was widely considered town and scumhunting before you began posting, so don't "cough" at me
I'd love to show our quicktime and how little you have contributed there

I am not posting in our quicktime anymore. He hasn't been doing shit, and now he jumps in and is getting praised. awesome.

I haven't been guiding the game into proper play or anything with a fucking dead hooker and a watcher .... no....

singer is such an idiot, but quadz is appearing town, so i'm not sure if i want a GB switch
Gold is lurking scum, but LMP gets on my nerves, so I'm going to hammer him

...I wasn't discrediting you, I was just letting him know that I'm part of the hydra also.
And sorry I have shit going on in my life, but that really was a bad and unnecessary hammer. If I had felt LMP was scum, I'd have done it myself. Nopoint is a much better vote...

[ShadowGuru]

If you are trying to say relationship based scum-hunting is the equivalent of a strawman argument then either you are being purposefully dense or are on the happy juice.

Not sure exactly what ‘ignoring everyone on Gold’ means in relation to scum-hunting. I have to look back but don’t remember CooLDoG voting for him.

My comment about ignoring everyone on Gold. Wow that was a mistake.

It should say ignore everyone that was on CoolDog because scum don't buss (sarcasm).
In other words your looking at those off the wagon is more suspicions to me. Scum buss all the time and that wagon on CD was an easy one for scum to float on. I find you saying hey you voted for confirm town at the end of the day, therefore scum weak analysis. Town is more ignorant then scum on who is what. Town are just as likely to question and vote ignorantly where scum do it on purpose.

anyways I see people giving out night actions. It makes me want to vomit. Should we red flag the scum our motives? Really?
I'm going to make a suggestion here.
Espy: Wait to the flip. If LMP flip scum look at those who voted between CD and LMP. Look at what is said. I have yet to see any connection other then MOI and Gold. Fate's point on Stef isn't bad.
Agar: I think giving me the vest is for best. I hated to claim, but apparently not having as much time to post and questioning things as I do is highly questionable.
Doctor: Protect Agar. I'm not watching him. I have a plan.

That is all I got for action. I'm not sharing what I'm doing tonight. I would like to WIFOM the SK/Mafia on what I'm going to do.

Fuck that, stick to my plan and our vig won't die. What do you mean makes you want to vomit? We literally know what roles mafia has, and we killed their roleblocker. My plan is foolproof. You can WIFOM if you want, but DOC DO NOT ABIDE BY THIS! Vig = more important than AGar. Kthx.

[ReaperCharlie]

Metropolis

∴

Redemption

— End of Day Two

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LynchMePls [6] – nopointinactingup, Fate, farside22, Gold, AGar, ShadowGuru

nopointinactingup [2]

– MagnaofIllusion, GummyBear

ShadowGuru [2]

– Stefunny, LynchMePls

Not voting

– Espeonage

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2059HRS

It had never bothered him this much before: The insistent whisper in his ear that he was nothing; ...was nobody.

He frowned, contemplating the subconscious impression with a dour melancholy. If he was nobody, then how had he accomplished all he had? He was the top CEO of a burgeoning stock-trading firm. Hundreds—no, thousands—of men looked up to him; wanted what he had; would give anything to be him. And yet, how could he be nothing? He reflected back: Within mere months after his hiring sixteen years ago, he'd single-handedly redeemed the plummeting stocks of his company into an attractive, profitable venture once more. Capitalists all over the country, all over the world, had

him

to thank for making them filthy rich. And he'd not gotten the short end of the stick either; he was richer than he'd ever been, and ever so powerful. Whereas he was once but a middle-class union worker, now he was a top-level executive with an enormous flat all to himself, complete with skyscraper views, and 24-hour room service. By all appearances, he was living on top of the world.

But the voice insisted:

You are but a shadow of who you were meant to be.

Meant by... whom?

he wondered.

Surely not... God.

He scoffed at the thought of the riches he'd worked so hard to obtain being stolen by a jealous deity. That would be just like the God he'd heard of and dismissed; had never taken the time to get to know.

You fool,

the voice treated him,

you can't take any of this with you. You've deceived, connived, and stabbed others in the back to get to where you are.

Which, the man thought sullenly,

was

incontrovertibly true.

You never considered the lives you've crushed; the honest men you put out of business just so you could make a quick buck; the children you've denied educations when their fathers have found themselves jobless and penniless at the opening of the stock market one fateful morning; the marriages you've split down the center because of arguments about finances, pervasive stress, and bitter discontentment. All because of the actions you've taken to further yourself down the road to what it is that

you

wanted at the time.

The man had nothing to say in return. It was all true.

But he especially dreaded the topic that came next. It always came next.

And don't even get me started on your own wife and children,

said the voice.

For years... decades!... they waited for you, yearned for you, longed for you to be a part of their life. You missed more baseball games than you attended, and even during those precious few, you were on the phone the entire time. They excelled on their team, leading them all the way to the championship! And you missed out on their moment of glory because you were cheating on your wife; servicing your young, captivating out-of-town lover. But what was she, next to your wife? A scant few hours of pleasure, compared to a lifetime's worth of dedication and sacrifice? What could she have been to you, contrasted to the poor, sweet woman who you stopped supporting when you started that accursed company? Whether it was about making important choices pertinent to the raising of your own two children, or helping her through the hard times she suffered when her father died, you were never there for her. Twenty-one long years she pined for a husband that would love her, that would take her as she was, love her for who she tried so hard to be. And it was all for you.

But you... you fell in love with the game. You couldn't quit while you were ahead. You always wanted more, more, more.

And now look where it's gotten you. Standing all by yourself, out in the middle of nowhere, atop a huge pile of nothing, which you've spent your entire life trying to build.

Destitute... desolate... alone. A complete and utter nobody.

The guilt overcame him. Bitter tears of remorse and self-loathing spilled down the man's hot cheeks. But they were all in vain. Nothing and nobody could bring back what he'd lost. What he himself had destroyed. Vision blurred by tears but thinking with clarity, the man reached into his mahogany desk's top drawer, grasping for the bottle of Aberfeldy 21. It was a gift from an old friend—now deceased—and had become his favorite antidote to the terrible pain that so often ravaged his decrepit heart.

But before his fingers brushed the bottle's neck, his eyes wandered lower. In the drawer just below... another solution perhaps. He withdrew his hand from the top drawer, and felt his fingers play gingerly on the knob to the second. His mind turned circles about him, daring himself to open it, then recoiling in fear and disgust, followed by the same thing over again.

Yes.

the voice halted his conundrum.

That is what you want.

Still, the man hesitated.

This is what you've wanted for the last fifteen years. It's what you've wanted ever since your wife was found dead, with no apparent cause found save a broken heart. It's what you've wanted since your two sons disowned you and decided to live their lives free of you. It's what you've wanted... for as long as you can remember. You know this.

And it was then that the man realized ... the voice was his own.

His own mind, echoing his own feelings, from the deepest places of his own black heart. Places where he'd dared not venture for a very long time.

And now the voice was calling him home.

He opened the second drawer, where the small .44 Philadelphia Derringer lay. Powerless to resist... himself, he grasped the weapon and lifted it to the light. The intricate carvings on the action and grip served only to remind him of the finer things in life that he had missed out on, or even outright destroyed.

The disturbing thoughts of his own sins pushed the man over the edge, and he slowly raised the pistol to his ashen temple.

His hand quivered in the soft glow of the desk lamp; the voice spoke once more.

Find peace.

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LynchMePls, Citizen

has commited suicide.

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Night 2 begins now. The deadline is March 17th, 3pm PST (6pm EST).

.

[ReaperCharlie]

Metropolis

∴

Redemption

— Day Three

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2357HRS

Just before midnight,

he thought nervously, shifting his weight from foot to foot as he stood just outside the club's back entrance. He didn't lean against the brick walls; they were cold. Instead, he stood about four steps to the side of the door, waiting for his watch to strike twelve.

He wondered again if this meeting was on the up-and-up. Countless times on the drive over here he'd nearly convinced himself to give up on this hunch, wondering if it was just a trick to get him into a compromising situation in a dark and dirty part of town. After all, he hadn't gotten as far as he had in the world just on pure luck. He'd been around for years, and had more than his share of street smarts.

Looking at his watch impatiently, he drummed his fingers on its face, as if that would help the time to tick by faster. His warm breath fogged the air as he concentrated on regulating his breaths, deeply and evenly, a calming technique he'd learned long ago.

Suddenly, he heard a deafening sound; an ungodly cry of rage and bloodlust. A violent chill of fright went down his spine, he couldn't help shivering at the sound as he looked all around to find the source of the otherworldly scream. It hadn't seem to come from the club or any of the surrounding structures.

Entirely spooked, and without a clue as to what had made the sound, he took off down the alleyway toward his car a block away. His feet pounded even faster than his heart, which thumped through his chest. Suddenly, he heard heavy wingbeats, solid as the grave, pounding the air behind him mercilessly, drawing ever nearer to him as he ran. He dared not look behind him as he sprinted for his vehicle, praying fervently that he wouldn't stumble and fall.

That sound again. Icicles pierced his heart. Like a banshee's scream mixed with an eagle's screech, but with the depth of an alpha lion's roar. His mind paralyzed by fear at the sound, he let out a long scream: an uninhibited cry of absolute terror.

And then his heart stopped as he felt the end.

In the blink of an eye he was caught up in the air by the beast, powerfully torn limb from limb, and spattered gruesomely across the brick walls of the alley.

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nopointinactingup, Citizen

has been obliterated.

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Day 3 begins now. The deadline is April 3rd, 8am PST (11am EST).

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[Fate]

LMP wasn't supposed to be hammered, just pressured into not being useless. Oh well. The saving grace was SUPPOSED to be waking up to a dead Stescumbag, but you just can't trust failvigs these days.

VOTE: Stefunny