Mini Normal 1133 - Mafia in Venice

[ICEninja]

The reason I think a massclaim right now would be good is because their role blocker is dead. This means a lot. Since the dead player is a role blocker, we can probably assume that there is only a single mafia family. There was also no distinction between one dead player and another. If we have a doctor, which is very likely considering the no townie kill, then we probably have a confirmed town (and 2 if you count the doctor). If we have a vig, that stands as another confirmed town and someone scum will be forced to night kill. If we have a cop with a guilty result, that should be claimed ASAP as it could lead to a perfect game (assuming 3 scum). Even a cop with an innocent result clears himself and a townie, and probably won't be NKed right away because of a doc.

Other roles that could have prevented the night kill such as jail keeper can also claim. This gives us indefinite information (as the person could have been the NKer or the NKie), but it gives us somewhere to start. EVEN MORE additionally, the death of a mafia roleblocker indicates that there is probably no more scum power roles. Scum is going to claim power role at dire peril to themselves, as a lone scum needs to focus on self preservation at an absolute 100% maximum here.

I think there is a decent chance that, considering the number of lynches we have, town could have a guaranteed victory here. For example, vig, doc who saved someone, and cop with an innocent clears 5 people by claiming, which means scum won't really stand a chance of night killing all of them before lylo.

That being said, I'm perfectly happy holding off too. I just think it is a pro-town idea considering the circumstances.

On a side note, this is very scummy:

Lynch me if you wish. I just want to point you all in Ythan's direction.

[Klazam]

I dont really care if i live or die, as long as we win. I believe that Ythan is scum, so i ask you all to look closely at him.

No objections to massclaim, personally.

[pappums rat]

oh well.

[Erratus Apathos]

I support massclaim and I also support lynching Klazam.

VOTE: Klazam

[Klazam]

EA: what's your rationale for wanting to lynch me?

Who should start off the massclaim? Popcorn style?

I'm willing to start, if a couple more people are willing to claim.

[Erratus Apathos]

EA: what's your rationale for wanting to lynch me?

Cause AGar said so.

Who should start off the massclaim? Popcorn style?

I'm willing to start

, if a couple more people are willing to claim.

you forgot you claimed miller didn't you?

[Klazam]

argh. You're right EA. Was thinking i was a VT. Thanks. A miller is basically a VT in terms of usefulness, though.

In that case, since i'm already claimed, who should go next?

[Klazam]

(off topic) in retrospect, a miller is supposed to look scummy, and here i am looking scummy. Just cant miss the irony in that. -.-

[Space Pope]

Space Pope- Why is my name not on your scumlist? I said nothing about BudjaSlot whatsover. Did you miss me or was i just not considered?

Hmm... I probably just skipped over you as you are just above the game mod on the drop down menu.

Looking at your ISO you brought up Budja slot 0 times. Now I would definitely say that is pretty scummy. But since you were inactive a bit in the beginning, then had to defend yourself a bit, but more importantly brought up that I left you off, I would say you are town. By bringing it up, you were risking me voting you since you came off the worst of all the other posts in respect to discussion about/with Budjaslot and risking the town not digressing away from you. Self-preservation would have said, "Let Space Pope vote Mae and draw attention to a townie."

Now if you are town, Agar comes off a bit scummy for voting you right off the bat today because he 1) dismissed Mass Claim which is, essentially, the play for right now (I'll start-

I'm VT. Now Agar goes next

) and 2) Thought you were pretty obvious scum so didn't even bother making a case to garner support (this tells me he is confident Klazam will be lynched and that means Agar-scum would feel this is an easy mislynch 3) Reason 1 and 2 equals quick day with town gaining little information if Klazam is town.

[Erratus Apathos]

Looking at your ISO you brought up Budja slot 0 times. Now I would definitely say that is pretty scummy. But since you were inactive a bit in the beginning, then had to defend yourself a bit, but more importantly brought up that I left you off, I would say you are town. By bringing it up, you were risking me voting you since you came off the worst of all the other posts in respect to discussion about/with Budjaslot and risking the town not digressing away from you. Self-preservation would have said, "Let Space Pope vote Mae and draw attention to a townie."

wtf are you doin space pope. klazam is scum who forgot he claimed miller.

in fact i changed my mind on mass claiming. we can do it tomorrow if lynching klazam isn't game over

[Klazam]

EA- I can assure you that i'm NOT scum.

Seriously, have anybody even looked over Ythan's posts?

[Erratus Apathos]

Unless Ythan forgot he claimed miller more times than you did, I'm not even gonna bother.

[Klazam]

*FACEPALM*


Just look, and see how Ythan avoided having a definite stance on the Moz wagon. Do you not find that scummy?

Lynch me if you must, but at least LOOK.

[Erratus Apathos]

Let's see...

Ythan avoided having a definite stance on the Moz wagon.
You avoided having a definite stance on the Moz wagon, AND you forgot your fakeclaim.

Yep, my vote is in the right place.

[Klazam]

I was against it. That was my stance.

[RedCoyote]

Vote: Klazam

Even if he is just a Miller, it's a good political tactic to just use a lynch on him now. Assuming we have a Cop, coupled with the fact that there's probably a Vigilante out there, that should cover some 4 or 5 people by investigation, PR, or likely townie given the moz wagon. At that point the lynch will probably be narrowed down to some 4 people or so.

I do not support a massclaim today. Tomorrow, on the other hand, it would probably be a good idea.

[Klazam]

Define "political tactic" please.

[ICEninja]

Alright, forgetting a miller claim is just. not. town.

Stop the massclaim, we're done. Town wins.

Vote Klazam

L-1 by my count.

[Klazam]

This IS a mislynch.

I'm a miller. I may have forgotten it, yes, but the fact is: being a miller is pretty much the same to being a VT for my purposes. It isnt important to me, so naturally i forgot.

This may be my last post, so i implore you all, during the night, reread Ythan, and also take a look at RedCoyote. these are the two players i'm the most uncomfortable about. I believe Ythan is a scummate of Moz.

Feel free to hammer me. It looks like there isnt anything much to discuss left.

(I wont self-hammer, because it'll be like hammering a confirmed townie to me.)

[Klazam]

Also, I would like RC to define what he means by political tactic. This phrase strikes me as being said oddly.

[Klazam]

And this will be quite a quick lynch. most players havent even posted.

[ICEninja]

And this will be quite a quick lynch. most players havent even posted.

For all my gusto of being pretty sure you're scum, it is in town's best interest to not lynch you quite yet. Everyone needs to comment first.

This IS a mislynch.

I'd say the same thing if I was on the chopping block - as virtually any role. It's a fairly loaded statement.

[Klazam]

And this will be quite a quick lynch. most players havent even posted.

For all my gusto of being pretty sure you're scum, it is in town's best interest to not lynch you quite yet. Everyone needs to comment first.

This IS a mislynch.

I'd say the same thing if I was on the chopping block - as virtually any role. It's a fairly loaded statement.

I know. Still doesn't stop me from saying it.

Any way i can make myself useful while waiting for the hangman to come?

[Klazam]

I'm going for now. See you all in the afternoon, assuming i havent been hung yet.

[RedCoyote]

I mean like, given the flips we've just had, we can afford to mislynch a Miller. I'd argue it's good policy to lynch a role like that because if we have any sort of investigative role he won't have to worry about your slot.