The Mafia with the Hydras - Game Over!

[Unicorn Brethren]

We bringeth down teh hammerrrr
VOTE: Untrod Stranger

[BeaverWeasel]

That is not at all what "no u" means. All I said was "I'm getting really sick of you calling me by the wrong name".

In other news, no one will care until

we get lynched and flip scum

, but BW's last post was INCREDIBLY FUCKING SCUMMY.

OIC...

So, asking someone to present a consise, neat case that doesn't require me to read through 13 pages of bullshit again is scummy? Ok then.


Also, @Yos: let me rephrase what I tried to say last night, as it was late and there was apparently a disconect between my brain and my keyboard:
Your interactions with Ether/Patrick are not indicitive of someone who is not sure of anothers allignment. You interact with them as if you know beyond a shodow of a doubt that they are town and for that there are two options: you are scum or you are masons (or a daycop, but this is a normal...)
I believe it to be the first option.

@Pathetric: Having never played with either of you, and actually never having played with a majority of the player list, I can easily say that I had/have no idea how many people you know/knew pregame.

And for everyone, I will say again: Not Mastin.

[BeaverWeasel]

P-edit that didn't show up:
mmmhmm..

[Pathetric]

Your interactions with Ether/Patrick are not indicitive of someone who is not sure of anothers allignment. You interact with them as if you know beyond a shodow of a doubt that they are town and for that there are two options: you are scum or you are masons (or a daycop, but this is a normal...)
I believe it to be the first option.

Shit I'd better grab some credit since I couldn't lynch Yosarian. I'll just completely make an excuse up.

-Ether

[TheButtonmen]

A Vote Count and a Lynch:

Untrod Stranger (7)- Gummybear, Pathetric, Balam, Greymarble, Lord Fonzi, YosCayke, Unicorn

YosFlavouredCayke (2) - Final Destination, Beaver
Frog Ergo Sum (2) - Untrod Stranger, DaSpotthatkillsu,
Final Destination (1) - Frog Ergo Sum
Unicorn (1) - Reckamonic

That's a lynch

[DaSpotthatkillsu]

.... you all are idiots.

[TheButtonmen]

Untrod Stranger the Vanilla Townie

has been lynched.

Night One ends on March 12th 18:00 EST.

Again I'm still looking for a replacement for Reckamonic,any suggestions would be welcomed.

[TheButtonmen]

Copper replaces Reckamonic.

[TheButtonmen]

Pathetric the Vanilla Townie

has been killed.

Welcome to Day 2

[Copper]

Greetings, and hello again to those we've played with before.

We will not be revealing our heads.

However, for those interested in meta, Copper has five completed games:

Mini 934 - Vanilla Town
Open 223 - Town Doctor (This game was a six-page travesty - unhelpful for reads)
Mini 999 - Vanilla Town
Open 244 - Werewolf
Mini 1072 - Town Undercover Reflex Guard

We have done some reading overnight but are not completely caught up. Replacing in with Copper is a new experience.

[Balam]

(Equinox)

Good to see you again, Copper.

BeaverWeasel makes me :headdesk: because of these gems:

I am dissapointed that there are less YosCayke/Pathetric votes. Those two have had their heads so far up eachothers asses they will either claim masons or one of them is scum.

I can understand being suspicious of YosFlavouredCayke's behavior, but why (why, why, WHY) would you say this

out loud

?

@ Pathetric 48-49: We decided to remain anonymous before we signed up for this game, also, yes. Your effort early on to paint yourself as a newb was decietful.

I was hoping you were being facetious when you accused Pathetric of being deceitful with their "some newb" comment. (That's the Poe's law I linked to.) Apparently, you were not. Painting that as a scum tell, really?

I'm going to skip the consultation with my fellow heads and go with...

Vote: BeaverWeasel

That said, there are a couple of things about which I do need to consult, particularly how the wagons on Day 1 played out in light of new information.

It's odd that you're the first person to notice that.

Minor detail, but they weren't the first.

We bringeth down teh hammerrrr

I'd like to know what changed between March 6 and March 9 to make you do this.

[Lord Fonzi]

Greetings. We've got our hydra activated, and both of us are up to date. We have decided to try to play as a unified hydra, although we will tell you who wrote a given post if anyone thinks it's useful to their reading of us and asks directly.

Both of us find Unicorn Brethren's general play extremely suspicious, however we (and particularly the Fonz head) think that the QT-posting thing, given that it would likely be disastrous for scum, is an enormous towntell.

We're of the opinion that FD is likely a town hydra, and their reaction to the pressure is probably caused by Fate being frustrated that the presence of Yos/Ether and the lack of the usual sheep is preventing him from leading the town as he likes to.

@Beaverweasel: Our impression of Yos and Ether is that they've played with each other so much, there's this weird kind of almost symbiosis going on there. I'm not surprised one thinks he can read the other like a book. However, we are somewhat perturbed by the fact that YFC made the inability of others to read the slot in the same way out to be scummy.

We have a harder time coming to agreement on our scum reads than our town ones, and are in the process of discussing who our mutual top suspect is. Should be back with a vote soon.

[Frogito Ergo Sum]

however we (and particularly the Fonz head) think that the QT-posting thing, given that it would likely be disastrous for scum, is an enormous towntell.

Isn't "Quoting your hydra qt is fine." just the naïve go-to position? We think it's a town tell because it suggests there are things in the qt that they want to quote, but not because they held the wrong position re: hydra QTs.

Vote: Final Destination

[Lord Fonzi]

They specifically suggested modifying the rules to allow quoting of entire QTs, which would be disastrous for scum.

[DaSpotthatkillsu]

Vote: Frogito Ergo Sum

Nothing has changed on that front. I agree that Unicorn Brethren is town, not only for the reason mentioned by Lord Fonzi, but because I really only see newb-scum or overconfident town hammering like that. Since it's not the former, it must be the latter.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

They specifically suggested modifying the rules to allow quoting of entire QTs, which would be disastrous for scum.

We are aware of the facts of the case.

[Frogito Ergo Sum]

They specifically suggested modifying the rules to allow quoting of entire QTs, which would be disastrous for scum.

We are aware of the facts of the case.

[Unicorn Brethren]

Nothing changed between the 6th and the 9th other than we felt a case had been built against US that we felt needed to be followed through on. Also after doing some rereading this head finds the Yos/Cayke disagreement leading to a last minute hop onto the US wagon to be very controversial indeed.

Oh, and we are overconfidant in everything we do.
We are Unicorns.

[Final Destination]

What' that you say AGM? You're gonna be gone all week?

HEHEAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

VOTE: FROGITO ERGO SCUM

[Final Destination]

I think I'm just going to start posting as this not having an account thing is getting mighty long in the tooth.

Is an important thing to note RE: Vote issue. I think it should be allowed, but its TBM's game -shrug.

Vote: Untrod Stranger

I have decided this is the best place for our vote right now. Everyone needs to post a bit more imo.

-Cayke.

This is easily the worse vote on that terri-bad UStranger lynch. I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aka our stance on FES being scum yesterday.

BUT the fact that Cayke made the vote makes me feel better, because if Yos had said "ok time to follow Ether onto a mislynch" it would've been MUCH worse than Cayke doing it. Obviously this coulda been planned in the hydra "you make the vote itll make more sense" but I'll go with Occam's Razor that Cayke's town read on me prevailed and she got Yos to agree to switch.


SO THAT LEAVES FROGGY:

[Final Destination]

(whoops apparently AGM isn't leaving until Tuesday >_>)

#323 is bad, #328 is good. More content later.

323 was BW;s post:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p2862107
Who pushed on YosCayke (FES' buttbuddy)

328 was GreyMarble:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p2862442
Who was pushing the mislynch (retrospect) of US.

So disagreeing with stance taken against townpocketbuddy (YosCayke townflip pending)
+
Agreeing with popular bandwagon,

without a bandwagon vote

When the FUCK have you ever seen a CEStown not on the main wagon d'jour? Especially one he AGREES with? For a tactical bandwagon hopper he sure has tunneled on me a fuck of a lot,

AND

He said 323 was bad yesterday, however he forGOES a BW wagon today (ala Balam's vote)... a wagon just RIPE for information. But he passes it up to vote park?

This ain't Town behavior, there's no scumhunting motive behind it. He is just sticking with his vote on us it because nobody is bothering to refute it or call him out for it (and in fact, YosCayke is even praising it).

AKA:
FES is making a vote he feels comfortable with carrying over from yesterday. He has no original content, which he PROMISED "later" in the post. Empty promising scumbag right here.

[AGM Approved]

[Greymarble]

I very much didn't think he was town when I voted, but I would have liked to have had some input after that "scumslip," since that was a really fucking town set of two posts. That being said, Unicorn Bretheran has already softclaimed disaster on wheels, so meh on lynching them right now. FD, how did you get a town read out of him? He was trying way too hard to spread suspicion around and wasn't labeling anyone town, and Tripod had flaked like hell rather than post his usual stuff in the thread (which I associate more with scum tripod, since I assume he knows he's horrifically bad at being town when he's town already).

Vote:Frogito Ergo Sum

FD has convinced me, and Llamarble hasn't posted anything useful in our hydra. Basically, we had 30 players in a game with less posts day 1 than any of my last few mini normals.

I'm tempted to just leave this to Llamarble for the next week. And... I will.

ICE lowered

[Frogito Ergo Sum]

I know we never called him town but we thought he was very town, aka our stance on FES being scum yesterday.

Bullshit.

This is a lie. You were voting YosCayke and pushing their wagon for most of Day 1 and you were still doing it at the end.

Confirm vote: Final Destination

Agreeing with popular bandwagon, without a bandwagon vote When the FUCK have you ever seen a CEStown not on the main wagon d'jour? Especially one he AGREES with? For a tactical bandwagon hopper he sure has tunneled on me a fuck of a lot,

Calling one post good isn't the same as agreeing with a wagon. P.S. There are 2 people in this hydra.

He said 323 was bad yesterday, however he forGOES a BW wagon today (ala Balam's vote)

Bad =/= scummy.

Question: Do you disagree that #323 and #328 are bad and good posts respectively?

He has no original content, which he PROMISED "later" in the post.

We intended to get in a good post (i.e. not a one-liner like that one) later, but then the Day ended.

[YosFlavouredCayke]

Vote:Beaver Weasel

I think this is the way to go. Tbh, I kind of feel bad that I didn't push to lynch him yesterday after that one teribad post of his; my gut really wanted to just drop everything else and try and start a new wagon on him at that point.

I still don't like the case against froggy here. It still basically just feels like FD OMGUSing because he dosn't like that froggy was tunneling on him yesterday. The argument that he's scummy because he DIDN'T join a wagon on a townie is the really bad kind of WIFOM.

That being said, I'm not as convinced as I was for most of yesterday of FD being scum. Feels like if he was scum, he'd have been more likely to use the fact that me and Cayke's reads were somewhat different at the end of the day yesterday as a BS reason to continue to attack us, instead of writing us off as probably town because of it.

Also, I wanted to ask DaSpot about this:

.... you all are idiots.

He said this after the hammer, but before the alignment reveal. Re-reading his earlier posts, he did at one point briefly mention that he thought US was pro-town, but he never really tried to defend him or argue against the wagon, even though he was around while it was building up. It just seems odd to me; DaSpot, if you guys were THAT sure that the US wagon was going to be a bad one, why didn't you try harder to stop it?

-Yos

[TheButtonmen]

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