VOTE: ConfidAnon for subscribing to the oldest scumtell in the books.ConfidAnon wrote:These past few posts got me confused as to what game I'm in.
Unvote, Vote: silverbullet999
FoS: Hiraki
Quit confusing me. =P
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He tends to have a short fuse. I wouldn't read too much into it.silverbullet999 wrote:Fur, why the blow up on post 96?
It's ok. Day 1 isKlazam wrote:I'm back.
Really bad at D1 reads, though. I'll try.usuallya mislynch anyway. That being said, I don't think it means we won't find scum in the process.-
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Ok, so unless silver does something ridiculously stupid, he won't ever be getting a vote from me. CA's right; the effort put into the case on Furc was too much to be from scum, especially on D1.
I like the points about Furc's reactions (especially after I told you not to worry about it as he's an emotional player, but you wanted to delve--this is apparently why, lol); however, I think your points about him being a "dick" (so to speak) are invalid. Like I've said, he's an emotional player.
I wouldn't ever mind his lynch unless it's mylo/close to it, but at this point, I think the emotion-tells you've pointed out are null.
I'll catch up tomorrow when I'm not running on 40 hours and let you know if I still agree with myself.
From what I know/have heard from Nacho: he's a very strong town player. I've only played with him as scum/third party, and there were definitely no gambits like this one. For the life of me I can't figure out where he's going with it, though...-
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Double Day Catch-Up:
I’d like to know why Meransiel thinks Confid is so scummy as per his post 258.
I actually agree with silverbullet that we should lynch someone soon (double day, first lynch) and it should be someone who would legitimately be troublesome toward later game.
NACHO EXPLAINS. Yay. : )
…Nacho’s town.
I like Number’s analysis of Apokalyptika’s voting a player that’s useless as opposed to scummy, however, I don’t agree with it as it’s D1 on a double day. It’s the perfect time to get rid of players who don’t contribute as opposed to ones that will continually give us reads later.
Meransiel’s assumption that Nacho will have a lot to say about his “scummy play” is weird and self-depricating…which is weird.
It’s also weird that Nacho still hadn’t posted his analysis for almost two days after that, which NS has already pointed out. O.o
Meransiel is definitely town thus far from what I can see. Twistedspoon, why exactly did you think what Klazam found was a scumtell, as opposed to being inexperienced and cautious town? You also note it’s a scumslip AFTER he gives an explaination, but don’t vote? How come?
[edit after fully caught up…am I the ONLY person getting a town read on him??]
I’M SORRY I FORGOT TO POST V/LA IN THIS ONE GAME. BAH.
Furcolow, you mention something you feel to be a part of my scum meta (while I was V/LA, btw), but don’t follow up with it. Why?
Hahaha. Oh the irony.Furcolow wrote:Way to see-saw and have a weak meta defense.
lol. WUT.Furcolow wrote:The fact you still have your vote on me is a joke, considering how obviously town I am.
Furc, why did you read DrBokChoy as a dumb townie (the irony) as opposed to someone feigning scumhunting?
I don’t understand this Nacho absense thing…he’s finally back and explaining things…he votes for me, questioned about it, says he didn’t actually mean it to be a vote, then doesn’t unvote…that sequence of events doesn’t add up, especially since I was V/LA through last night.
His huge wall-o-text catch-up post said the exact same thing twice. At least six people have posted since then commenting on the game (and I would assume Nacho’s post/reads since it was impressed upon so much that they were waiting for them) and didn’t comment on that ONCE. It’s making me feel as though people haven’t really read his case on Meransiel AT ALL.
Blargh. At this point, even though I strongly disagree with it, I feel as though Merasiel’s the only viable lynch for today considering his wagon and build up until now.
I would rather lynch Nacho, though. He’s not acting in a pro-town manner anymore.-
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Ah yes. Simply put, the explanation for why he was doing what he was doing made sense, giving me a town read, then as he started posting, he fell victim to inconsistencies and scummier behavior.
Re: vote...it seemed as though you felt you had legitimately found a scumslip indicative of scum, but chose not to switch your vote. Why was Meransial a better vote at the time?-
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*twitch* Furc is open to wagon->lynch five different players today? What's the purpose in that?
Re: My post...I had spent one day catching up from V/LA. What about that needs to be "called out"?
Re: My meta...you should read up the rest of my meta, and be a little more accurate when you call upon your own.
Re: Nacho...as made obvious by my notes in my catch-up post (and again in the post you yourself quoted), it should be clear that I felt Nacho was town when he finally explained his "restriction" gambit
Re: Meransiell...when one player develops so much discussion and generates controversy in wagons, then gets to L-1/L-2, I believe that keeping them around later in the game will create more WIFOM than town can handle.
We DO have two lynches for today seeing as it's a double day open game, so you should probably think about that before you accuse me of calling out for the lynch of two people at two different times for two different reasons.
-I said Nacho explained his gambit, was town, caught up, was scum. I will quote it if need be.Furcolow wrote:You say Nacho caught up, posted now, is town. Did you not? I will quote it if need be.
You then go on to vote Nacho
This is pretty bad standing alone, but it is WAY worse considering you called Meransiel town, then went on to say "Meransiel is the only obvious lynch for today", THEN vote Nacho.
-I also never said that I felt Meransiel was scum, in fact still quite the opposite. But this early in the game, we can only find out information from her flip. Since you're all about meta, you can also find that I will advocate for mislynches on D1 not being the worst thing that could happen to town.
-THEN I said I'd rather lynch Nacho now, because I DO feel as though he's scum.
-Your need to go into story-time discrediting me AND trying to make yourself feel better is satisfying and indicative of fluff in place of scumhunting.
-Your blatant misrep in cutting the parts of the posts that explain where my reads were coming from, and why, is duly noted.
You'd better check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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But I...didn't...get called out on it?
I very explicitly explained my reads and who I'd be ok with lynching. I can't help it if you didn't read my post in order. Though I will apologize for not explaining why I felt Meransiel needs/should be lynched today. That did come across as ambiguous.-
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I don't actually either...Twistedspoon wrote:
I'm sorry but I don't understandsingersigner wrote: Re: vote...it seemed as though you felt you had legitimately found a scumslip indicative of scum, but chose not to switch your vote. Why was Meransial a better vote at the time?
Yeah, you're right. I went back and checked and the FIRST time I questioned you, I think I thought your vote was on someone else. The SECOND time I forgot who I thought who you felt Klazam found a scumslip for.Twistedspoon wrote:My vote was on mer
I felt That mer had made a scumsli
Since my vote was already on mer, I didn't have to switch my vote.
Is that your question?
Don't worry about it. My brain's been fried for the past couple of days.-
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lol @ Hero thinking I was actually defending Furc.
In all honesty, it was to see how he would react simplybecauseI know he has a short fuse. If anything, looking at it from an outsider's view, I would assume it's someone discrediting him as opposed to a defense. I'm surprised no one brought THAT up, and even more surprised that you caught it, but for the wrong reasons.
Furc, it seems to me as though Silver and I had the same thought process as we typed our post. I'm calling you out on already tunneling me for something you find scummy while completely dismissing someone else for the same thing.silverbullet999 wrote:-pod
I typed it out while I caught up... pretty sure I mentioned thatwhat won him these slight town points? you don't specify in your post, and the top of your post has him listed as your #1 suspicion and best vote. both of which seem to change over the course of the post.
I don't mind if you "quote the shit out of it." It'll be good for you to point out where you're wrong yourself. It's all a big learning experience here.
I said the two people I wanted lynched on this, and that's that. No lies. No gambits.DoubleDay
I will vote Meransiel later since it seems as though Nacho's not going to get lynched first (though I may rethink that with the extended deadline). But I'm revisiting that as soon as the second half of the day starts.
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#58...I would find it more incriminating if he had said something like "even though she actually is"; however, I do not see your point.
Apok...what? I feel like you missed the part where I said I felt like I was the only one who had a town read on Meransial, while everyone else though she was scum. The two of us could still be wrong.-
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Heyheyhey.
So sorry I haven't been around. I'm in the process of moving and didn't factor in the amount of time that might actually take. The next few days are going to be a bit hectic (I have a 6 hour drive ahead of me included in that move), but I'll be able to follow the thread and *hopefully* comment on anything that super sticks out at me.
I do feel as though the first day was a bit rushed in the second half. If anything, the "quick-lynch" should happen in the first half, so we can figure out what to do with the information from it in the first half...
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Riiiiight...Nachomamma8 wrote:
I would stop lurking for you, but I want to let Hiraki and bvoigt stew in their respective incorrectness for a little longer...silverbullet999 wrote:@mod: Is there a possible chance for an extension on deadline (I realize we aren't even close to it but yeah...)?
Nacho needs to stop lurkin...
I think this game needs a fresh perspective. I'm looking forward to the replacements.-
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lol. Wow...
You guys really suck at this.
Ok, so Furc comes in and does one of the more protown things, which is jump start the fucking game again (I figured the replacements would do that, as previously mentioned, but I guess he wasn't willing to wait), and then gets hit with this huge fucking OMGUS attack.
He calls LLD out for probably being a town leader and "wanting to lynch her" (I'm not actually sure if it was a real push for a PL or not), and then what happens...she comes in, flags waving, taking the reigns like, "look at me, I'm the shit, you best be listenin booooooiz." You say that it's pro-scum for town not to have a leader, but it's even more pro-scum for a replacement to become that leader. I've seen all to often where someone replaces out of a spot, scummy or not, and the replacement comes in a wipes the board by "leading to town" andlookinglike the most pro-town player here.
Right now, all I see is an OMGUS attack on Furc, and an ornery player who clearly isn't paying attention to the game.
Silver's not backpedaling and I encourage you to point out where he is.
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Well, by your reaction to it, you've now become one of the scummiest players here.
"Wah, why aren't you guys smart enough to realize he's stooooopid."
So yeah, I'm ok with it.
Also, lol @ you saying Silver practicallyclaimedscum, and set still no vote on him? What happened to wanting to lynch scum?
Please.
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Actually, Furcolow's been doing much better in this game than several others I've seen him in (kudos, bro).
It's funny that you haven't even paid attention to the rest of the game. If you had, I think you'd be understanding of more than just your own emotions.
You're acting like early-day Furc (no offense, dude). And actually like a female version of GreyICE...hmm...
And you're right. I am defending silverbullet. People do that when they don't think they're scum, and he's most certainly not the scummiest player thus far, and therefore I will not vote for him. What YOU failed to realize was Hiraki's sheeping of you, and his implied "I told you so" attitude with regards to SB, makes him even scummier.
Question: what do you think of Nobody Special and Nachomamma8?
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FTFY.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I have the experience, I would know.
I've been around this sit for soooooooo long and I know eeeeeeeverything about it because I've played with eeeeevery player in eeeeeevery game and I'm amaaaaazing at meta and know exaaaactly what I'm doing because I'm the bestest besty bestbest of the best.-
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lol.Twistedspoon wrote:I go away for a day and singer, nacho, NS, and a pair of replacements come out of nowhere and add an extra 4 pages.
At least the game is alive again
At least this shows us a couple things:
1. Who's paying attention to whom (hint: it's pretty much been LLD, silver, and Hiraki all up in here).
2. Furc's "PL" payed off, as people are definitely noticing the activity.
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Does it reflect that of town? How do you feel as though she's contributed to this town's scumhunting? Do you feel as though, if town, she might have gained a little tunnel vision, considering she admittedly hadn't even caught up in the game yet?bvoigt wrote:
I don't really mind it.singersigner wrote:@bvoigt...how do you feel about LLD's attitude?-
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The "lot of info" you're getting from silver's lynch is his potential flip (which any lynch will give us)?
I feel as though your lynch will provide the town will a lot of things:
1. Will get rid of an ornery player.
2. Show the opportunistic scum who also hopped on what I believe to be a scum-driven wagon.
3. Will get rid of someone I feel to be the scummiest player in the game.
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I didn't say that's why I was lynching you. Stop putting words in people's mouths. That's something only scum has to do.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Yeah... and that's why your voting me.
(oh look, there's ANOTHER reason I'm voting for you)
1. You can only call it a chainsaw defense if he flips scum, which you have no way of knowing.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Oh, and Singer.
When Silver flips scum?
I'm going to be grabbing that quote where you admit you were defending him.
Because you've chainsawed the fuck out of him.
2. Go ahead. I'm not hiding it. I'm absolutely defending him, while explaining why. And?
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Gee thanks, Silver, lol.
Double Preview Edit:
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I remember you calling me illiterate in this game.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Singer, are you saying that you aren't voting me for "being the scummiest player I see"?
Because that was reason 3 on your list, and what I was referring to.
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You're missing the point.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:singersigner wrote:
Then why isn't Hiraki scum for defending Meransiel?Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, Singer. Did you notice that I'm not voting you? You're not scum until Silver flips scum.
Hmm. You seem to be taking a very hypocritical stance on this one...
Then why aren't you voting Hiraki?
If he's such obv scum... why are you pushing my lynch over his?
In anycase, I'll consider Hiraki scum if Silver flips scum.
But I don't see Hiraki!scum busing Silver!scum when scum already is down a member.
And Silver!scum>>>> Hiraki!scum
You've again put words in my mouth.
I don't feel as though Hirkai's scum for simply defending Meransiel (I would say he's scum for completely different reasons).
You've now stated that I must be scum if Silver flips scum (which seems to be the only basis on which you're calling me scum/scummy), and yet you haven't even touched on the actual flip we've had/connections from that (which only goes to show that you really haven't really read up on the thread, and in turn flipped out based on ONE post).
We KNOW Meransiel flipped scum and that Hiraki defended him. We DON'T KNOW if silver is scum and that I'm defending him.
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What I can't seem to understand is, if LLD's town, how she fails to see how obviously town silver is...
I really want you two to stop now. We need to hear from everyone else, and you're cluttering the thread with distractions.
LLD, stop tunneling, read the thread, and tell us what your thoughts on the other players are.
Silver, stop taunting her (however entertaining it is).
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That doesn't explain it because your inference of me being scum only if silver flips scum for defending him, doesn't explain why you wouldn't see Hiraki as scum for the same reason based on the confirmed information we already have.
You say that you don't see Hirakiscum bussing Silverscum and yet:
Hypocrisy is a scum's tool. So is backtracking.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:In anycase, I'll consider Hiraki scum if Silver flips scum.
Oh but didn't you get the message? I'm coaching you, my scum buddy.Lady Lambdadelta wrote:LLD, stop tunneling, read the thread, and tell us what your thoughts on the other players are.
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unvote
This is fucking retarded.
Vote someone who's not contributing to the game AT ALL. We get two votes today, remember? Get a lurker back in here.
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Actually I'm gunna end up voting Hiraki. I just need time away from the bitch fights in-thread.-
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