Open 290 - Double Day (Game Over)

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vote twistedspoon

SUP.

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I don't see anybody calling anybody an idiot.

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Ah. Missed that.

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MOD- V/LA for 2 days

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I'm back.

Really bad at D1 reads, though. I'll try.

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Ok. Nacho- Why is #58 on your second group? The others made only 0 or 1 post each, and #58 made 3. bvoigt made 3 too, so he should be on the second group. Me too, for that matter. More is possible, I'm sure, but I'm not checking.

Explain your lists.

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MOD-Same with Hazard With Gloves. Prod him. HARD.

Nach8- Can you answer my question?

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@Furc, Do I still need to explain or is it understandable why I think Hiraki is more likely scum than Confid?

more than confid? i dont care about more thans, i want to lynch a scum
we can only lynch 1, i dont give a fuck which it is

So you believe that both hiraki and confid is scum?

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Pim. There is no misunderstanding. You have horrible reasoning against me, that's it.

I do, but I realize that your entire case on me, is on the basis of a misunderstanding. Therefore, I don't really care about it.

Besides that, you still have permission to explain.

I want to see an explanation of this too.

unvote, vote hiraki

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Me, needing pressure? Well, who knows...

Yes you do. What was the purpose of this post?

unvote, vote meransiel

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Mera-

My vote was on you because of your response. It felt wrong to me. Instead of posting something meaningful- you act like "pressuring you" was a joke.

Then your reply.... It's like you think its not worth the effort for me to question you. One thing i did get from your second response was the impression that you thought it would have been better for me to leave my vote on Hiraki, who claims he got two games mixed up. Why is that? It seems that you think that Hiraki's wagon had a good reason behind it or something.

Then you dimiss bvi in a jokey manner.

This is a lot of things i just gained from voting you. It seems that my vote was justified.

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Nacho- Do you have any specific reason for these damn lists, other than not wanting to participate in discussion?

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Twisted- why jumping on the MeraWagon? You did not indicate a suspicion whatsoever of Mera.

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Can you point out where the strawman was?

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Mera-

My vote was on you because of your response. It felt wrong to me. Instead of posting something meaningful- you act like "pressuring you" was a joke.

Then your reply.... It's like you think its not worth the effort for me to question you. One thing i did get from your second response was the impression that you thought it would have been better for me to leave my vote on Hiraki, who claims he got two games mixed up. Why is that? It seems that you think that Hiraki's wagon had a good reason behind it or something.

Then you dimiss bvi in a jokey manner.

This is a lot of things i just gained from voting you. It seems that my vote was justified.

I dont see a response to this. You seem to have forgotten i was in this game.

in other news, Silver and Fur both feel town to me. Their efforts at generating these kinds of posts seem nonscummy to me.

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Mera-
Then your reply.... It's like you think its not worth the effort for me to question you. One thing i did get from your second response was the impression that you thought it would have been better for me to leave my vote on Hiraki, who claims he got two games mixed up. Why is that? It seems that you think that Hiraki's wagon had a good reason behind it or something.

At least answer this question. Do you believe that hiraki's wagon is a better place for my vote than your wagon?

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Just surprised is all. I mean, everybody needs pressure, if a wagon is already half-started, why abandon it and go for someone new?

Fine. Explain this line, then.

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I dont see a Cal either. maybe ConfidAnon?

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What results have you received from that "gambit"?

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I'm personally waiting for nacho's analysis, but in the interest of keeping this game moving, my top suspects are these:

Meransiel- posts feel wrong to me; scummiest of my suspects.

Apok- chose to focus on nacho, also, while throwing out a couple of FOSes on people doing things (based on Apok's opnion) that I would be willing to say is scummier than nacho's lack of participation. Second most scummy. 

Hiraki- sarcasm and obliqueness makes me wary of him. 

DrBok- chose to focus on nacho while there was many other things happening. Now wants to replace out... I'll just IGMEOY DrBok. 

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How mera responds to questions/accustations does not sit right to me- For example: his justification for not replying to my post:

There are 2 ways of protecting yourself in this game: pointing fingers at somebody else or pointing out the flaws in your argument. Note that:

1. At the time you made that argument, I had nobody to point fingers to (according to my own, personal reads).
2. You base your whole argument on me not paying attention to your argument. So jumping at your post and being passive-aggressive would make you accuse me of arguing semantics, WHICH is very anti-town and therefore could get me lynched. As so, yes, I do think laughing your suspicion off was the

least risky

thing I could've done.

Note bolded.
Why would Mera care about "risk"?

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Your expoliation of bvoigts tops seems town, though, so don't feel like I've got heat on you or whatever from this.

Rephrase please. I cant understand this sentence.

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Prod pim, too... Haven't posted for 6 days.

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Fur- you mean explanation not exploitation, then? It's clear now. Thanks.

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Shush NS.
Shush your little mouth.

Nacho- you have to realize that you are stalling the game...

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Why singer?

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... Not again.


It's not DrBok replacin himself. It's another person. I can vouch for this. (mini theme, monastery mafia)

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That was a aggravating PR, indeed.

This game is going slowly, so if you could hurry up and provide reads, that would help.

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Fine, Apok, what's your take on Mera?

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just a quick post: V/LA for 48 hours or so. Something came up.

BTW: I still like my mera vote where it is.

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I'm back, will post more soon.

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(Posting in all my games)

Sorry for the inactivity.

I'll post tonight, in order of deadlines.

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All righty. I'm proud of myself for that (Having my D0.5 vote on actual scum)

Apok's defense of Mera is scummy to me. Apok seems to try and defend Mera, while leaving a little room for him to say that he feels that mera is scum. Me dislike.

Hiraki's last minute defense of Mera is giving me town vibes- why would scum defend his scumbuddy to the last second, even going as far to say that he is town after a fake hammer?

Silver and Fur is town

Nacho is getting away with his play during D0.5. Nacho, could you answer this, or at least point me to where you answered this: What results did you receive from your gambit? I dont mean your current reads on players, i mean what did you gain from your odd play, that playing normally wouldnt have?

vote Apok

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unvote

Not ready for a lynch just now. I want to see NS and Nacho's thoughts first.

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Apok:

Chainsaw? how?

I noticed that twisted voted with very little reasoning behind it, so i asked him what was it, and he answered strawmanning, and never points out exactly where the strawman was. This warrants questioning, in my book.

And you may not have noticed, but i left my vote on Merascum. if i was chainsawing, don't you think i would have moved my vote to twisted?

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Klazam votes him for meaningless posting. Meran claims surprise, asks for scummy things he's done to be pointed out so he can clarify.

Town points for Furc again, also Klazam and Hiraki.

Not liking the fact that Klazam said his vote was "justified".

Klazam looks worse here, kinda chainsawing Twisted.

Klazam low profile and not paying attention, yet neutral/town.

Klazam really isn't looking very good here.

I'll do the rest of the game in a bit, wanted to get this out there before someone quickhammered. Currently I feel like a

Vote: Klazam

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I cut out all the other stuff, only leaving the parts where you talk about me. It seems you have very inconsistent opinions.

In that post, you say that I'm neutral/town/scum, which leads me to believe that you're not certain about me. Why the vote, then?

I want to hammer, but i need to wait and see what nacho and NS's thoughts are....

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More commentary later (hopefully late tonight). For now,

Vote: Apok

This suggests to me that you have a bit more to say than what you just said.

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All right. I'm confused. Bolded is your thoughts, correct, Apok? unbolded is what others say, correct?

If so, disregard my post on you. I misunderstood, then.

I highly doubt hiraki is scum. Would scum defend a scumbuddy even after a hammer? It was obvious Hiraki believed that the hammer was real.

All right. I'll look over my reads and see what i come up with.

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Well, that applies for L-1, but would scum defend even after a hammer? I'm not so sure about that.

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It's interesting how it's possible to dismiss almost anything in mafia as WIFOM.

I'm choosing to believe that Hirkai is town in this game.

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crap. that's terrible.

IF Apok is lynched due to mod error, I wouldnt feel that is fair. Up to mod, i guess.

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Due to that missed vote and the official mod post, I was misled into believing that my vote would be the L-2 vote.

If it would have been the L-1 vote I would not have voted.

So I'm in favor of having that vote simply not count.

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Coming in, will post late tonight.

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MOD: I'm sorry to be a burden, but please replace me. I am finding that the time I used to have is not available anymore, hampering my ability to meaningfully participate.
For the best of the game, please replace me. Thank you.

Oh, and

unvote

if needed.