Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

Kalofer · Post Post #375 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:36 am

Amrun wrote:
If everyone -- and I do mean EVERY PLAYER -- comes in and says they want me to paraphrase the particular part of my PM that makes me feel so strongly, I will do so.

I'd like you to do that too.

Frankly the way I see things is that both of you are town, TS because after getting off the hook with his claim continued acting so foolishly outwardly scummy that I just can't believe he is scum anymore. You (amrun) I also see as town because I really don't believe scum would (knowing that TS is town) revive a case against him which said scumbag knows is going to fail. For this reason I would like to see your role PM. If you don't reveal it and we lynch TS and he turns to be town, I for one am definitely going to want some answers if not a lynch. And think about it that when we lynch TS and he flips town, scum, knowing that you are town will nightkill someone else and let the rest of the townies grill you during day 2 (which I think is the worst case scenario).
Now if you are right however, and TS flips scum, nobody is going to suspect you of being scum for what you did and so you are most likely going to be the nightkill for the night since no one will doubt you (unless you are framing TS to make yourself looks so town which I doubt).

And if you reveal your role PM now, and we lynch TS and he turns out to be scum, then again you will probably be nightkilled (and then scum will know your role but I don't see what's the big deal if they do). But if you reveal your role PM now and TS flips town at least the damages won't be as bad as if you hadn't revealed your role, and town will learn as much as scum and we might not lynch you in day 2 because it was your role PM's fault and not yours.
In short I'm basically trying to create a plan B after and if we lynch TS for the bes possible scenario to town, and if you are wrong (which I think you are about TS) and don't tell us your role PM, then the worst case scenario is going to occur and we definitely don't want that do we?
IMO the pros of you claiming far outweigh the cons and I would like to see your role PM before deciding if we should lynch TS.

Morthas · Post Post #376 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:53 am

Having a hectic week, been thinking of replacing but ultimetly decided to

@Mod

: V/LA until the 18th which is Friday, or wtvr i am supposed to say in order to tell everyone that i won't be posting for a few days

Kalofer · Post Post #377 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:12 am

Morthas you lazy prick

Amrun · Post Post #378 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:33 am

TS - yes
Kalofer - yes
Mothras - lazy, let's disregard him if evryone else votes one way or the other before friday.

I really do mean averyone, here.

If even one or two people feel strongly that I shouldn't reveal, I won't, because I think there should be at least one similar pm to mine.
I am absolutely not full revealing, but I will partially reveal the part of my role relevant to the converation.i

ToastyToast · Post Post #379 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:58 am

I don't really know at this point. However, as Kalofer says, if we lynch TS because of your information and he flips scum, you'll probably get NK. Also, the THREAT of you revealing something like this can get you NK. So, I am okay with a partial reveal.

crazypianist1116 · Post Post #380 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:26 am

Amrun please reveal when you feel comfortable.
Hoppster, yes.
Thankfully things have calmed down and it's not 5 pages a day anymore...

Hoppster · Post Post #381 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:31 am

mb53: in YOUR PM, is it explicitly stated or just (strongly?) implied that TS's role is scum?

Stels · Post Post #382 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:47 am

Kalofer wrote:And think about it that when we lynch TS and he flips town, scum, knowing that you are town will nightkill someone else and let the rest of the townies grill you during day 2 (which I think is the worst case scenario).

Pointless to dwell in the area of WIFOM. You either want the role pm info or you don't... Which you apparently do. Posting scenarios that may occur based on revealing Amrun's info can be left for Day 2.

@Amrun: Yes. Add me to that list.

Amrun · Post Post #383 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:48 pm

I'd like to hear from everyone first to guage their responses and get as much info as possible. I hope you understand.

Zyrconium · Post Post #384 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:14 pm

Yes to Amrun's "stop talking in riddles?" poll, hopefully soon we'll get back to hunting mafia...(the closest I could find to someone to call scum was Amrun, and there's no way I'm getting a case to stick before said reveal)

@crazypianist: stop lurking please.... you're going to be lynched if you continue like this, and you yourself pointed out that you've no longer got an excuse not to contribute...

Amrun · Post Post #385 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:07 pm

Scum wants me to reveal. Not heartening.

Stels · Post Post #386 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:57 pm

Town want to confirm. Very heartening.

Stels · Post Post #387 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:57 pm

And counterclaim maybe.

Amrun · Post Post #388 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:13 pm

I didn't mean everyone, there. Just Zyrconium.

His last several posts are even more scummy than usual.

But I do want to hear from everybody first, which is just common sense, to me.

Charlie · Post Post #389 (ISO) » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:44 pm

Nobody Special has been prodded.

Nobody Special · Post Post #390 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:32 am

I can confirm that I have been prodded. I can also confirm that I'm still not caught up, sorry.

Amrun, I don't know enough about the situation other than that you're asking every player to weigh in. More tonight, and an answer for you. (I still haven't even found TS's supposed claim.

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Kalofer · Post Post #391 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:52 am

I want to know what's so bad about scum knowing your role PM. Can you please explain?

Amrun · Post Post #392 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:41 am

I can't explain without ... y'know ... EXPLAINING.

Nobody Special · Post Post #393 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:48 am

You could try interpretive dance.

Amrun · Post Post #394 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:49 am

Let me go get my webcam.

mb53 · Post Post #395 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:46 am

mb53: in YOUR PM, is it explicitly stated or just (strongly?) implied that TS's role is scum?

I guess strongly implied would fit best.
Also, yes, amrun explaining is good.

Hoppster · Post Post #396 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:50 am

mb53 wrote:
mb53: in YOUR PM, is it explicitly stated or just (strongly?) implied that TS's role is scum?
I guess strongly implied would fit best.
Also, yes, amrun explaining is good.

Right, okay.

@ Amrun & crazypianist: Same question as well.

@ Amrun specifically: Is there no scenario possible that would have Twistedspoon being town (with your Role PM still being true)? Are you just reading too far into your PM? Taking it just at face value, does it necessarily incriminate him as scum?

Amrun · Post Post #397 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:33 am

If TS is scum, my role PM isn't true.

Period. Face value, it says the role TS claimed is scum. It's emphasized, so I know it's not an accident.

Hoppster · Post Post #398 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:42 am

@ Hazard: Do you have this level of certainty (of Twistedspoon being town) that Amrun has (of Twisted being scum)?

crazypianist1116 · Post Post #399 (ISO) » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:14 pm

Hoppster, strongly implied.

Amrun, your PM

explicitly

says TS's role is scum? If it's explicit then I'm comfortable changing my vote to him but if it's just "strongly implied" then I'm going to continue with my own reasoning. I don't get why you would say this:

Amrun wrote:That being said, if TS had previously been playing pro-town, I wouldn't be pushing this so hard -- and in fact, I wouldn't even be in this position.

If your PM explicitly says TS's role is scum.