There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

[Friend]

Too lazy.

ConfidAnon is probscum. THB is too. Calcifer is iffy.

[silverbullet999]

So from rank for you it'd be

1. Pine
2. Confid / THB
3. Calc

?

[Friend]

Sure.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

>post Pine case
>still no comments from anyone else, or Pine
>sad

DIDDIN, GET BACK ON PINE

Pine's scum. Don't trust the people defending me - they know how I'm gonna flip. Easy town cred when I do.

I like this post. Speaking of defending, I'm also becoming increasingly suspicious of Hiraki, even though I'm pseudo-defending Friend as well for trying to get a wagon on Pine. Difference is, I have a nullread on Friend (with Fugi having a scumread).

Concerning Friend's other reads, I haven't seen anything scummy from Confid, but he's one of the players that hasn't been in the spotlight much so I haven't been paying much attention to him. Calcifer... not sure how to feel. I don't think scum would call someone "confirmed town" based off of what seems to be just D1-gut-reasoning. Too risky to do as scum, but that's WIFOM, so I'm null leaning town for now. His play of defending Pine is also similar to that of Hiraki defending Friend, no? That kinda mixes up my reads on both of them.

Gut-wise, I'm leaning towards Hiraki-scum and Calcifer-town.

Obviously I have no comment on his scumread of me/us (the only thing I can really say being 'hurr you're wrong'). Reasoning for

all

your reads would be nice, Friend.

And y'know what, fuck you Fugi. We're gonna lynch a scumread of mine today.

Unvote, Vote: Pine

I'll only move our vote back if we need to hammer to end the day, or something similar to that scenario.

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: Friend

Stop it, you manwhore.

~Fugi

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Unvote
Vote: Pine

~Pie

[TwoHeadedBoy]

ಠ_ಠ

~Fugi

P.S. Get on IRC.

[silverbullet999]

hydras- The only acceptable reason to talk to "yourself" on mafiascum

[Pine]

That was...schitzophrenically entertaining.

[nhammen]

nhammen, what reads do you have so far, aside form those mentioned? Fresh perspective would be nice.

Well, I posted most of my scumreads. I forgot about TwoHeadedBoy claiming that c-worl was waiting to see if the Pine wagon grew, and then himself waited to see if the Pine wagon grew (near the beginning of the game). There has not been too much scummy from this slot since then, so I forgot about this.
Unfortunately all of my town reads keep doing things that seem a bit scummy (Calcifer, Pine), knocking them from being town reads any more...
Except for GreyIce/IceyCupcake, who I have as solid town.
And silver is mostly Town, because I can't see this sort of tunneling coming from scum.
I guess that TwoHeaded's tunneling on Pine could be seen similarly. But his waiting to do so near the beginning changes my view a little bit.
I had c-worl as newb-town, but I'm not sure it isn't newbscum, after seeing how much of a super-sheep he has been.
That's all I can remember right now, without going over the player list.

Also, nhanen voting Friend after finding a Calc contradiction is mucho disturbio.

Did you not read my post? I shall quote the relevant statement again:

there are a few contradictions, but it is not necessarily scummy at this point.

Meaning, he has lost the townie points that I gave him, but it isn't enough to push him into being scummy yet.

@THB 523: Wow, that is what I am now going to name a tunneling wall. I agree with a few of the points in this wall, but if you are trying to find something scummy in every single post someone makes, then it is just tin-foil hat paranoia speaking. That is such bad tunneling, it's not even funny. Actually, this tunneling has me convinced on THB town, similarly to silver.

[AGar]

What OMGUS? I don't know that you ever voted for me, and you certainly weren't just there. I'm voting for you because of the elaborate and well-established case against you. I just wanted to use the extra time granted to us to hunt your scumbuddies, like Parama. But sure, if you insist on falling on your sword sooner rather than later, fine.

OMGUS doesn't have to be based on votes, only, you know...

And silver, you can look through my posts. It's there. It'll be like a little game!!

Here's one.

That's not scumhunting. At all.

Friend & Empking = scumbuddies?

Smacks of desperately looking for someone to deflect attention onto.

Isn't that exactly what you're trying to do with this post?

And another.

That isn't either.

10, 9, and 8 are scumhunting in a way, just not against Pine.

That said, it looks like Friend has just about given up, sadly. His lynch seems inevitable, but I'd like to hear some last thoughts before he is lynched.

Not really, but ok. Besides, your words were that he had spent "the past few pages pressing Pine."

He didn't.

Nice try on derailing the wagon however.

That was...schitzophrenically entertaining.

^This.

Also, for you future hydra-ers - that is why someone invented QuickTopic.

[Parama]

Fugi + Pie = I like life

[C-Worl]

Hikari is scum, he's ignored our reasons for why Friend=scum completely. Everytime he's asked he claims there isn't a case on Friend even though we've quoted thousands of cases for him.

BTW: THB, you made me laugh so hard, both of you. Thx 4 teh lulz.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

*TwoHeadedBoy bows due to overwhelming popularity now

Well, Pie and I have talked it over in IRC (It's like QT on speed, AGar, so stop complaining). I'm basically siding with nhammen that he's nitpicking too much and pointed out that the vast majority of Pine's text is very progressive and town-like. He still disagrees based off the tells in his wall. We didn't exactly come to an agreement though, as he's still convinced of Pine scum and neutral Friend while I'm convinced of Pine town and scum Friend. Pie, however, just left to go to a party because of his lolsociallife which means I have control of the account for a few hours to the rest of the night.

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: Friend

Take that.

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Also, Hiraki looks pretty bad, but I'm reluctant to call him scum because I've never been able to read him right. I know, meta iz st00p3d and stuff, but I'm keeping an eye on him.

C-Worl's posting has been off recently too, especially his reactions to Friend's wagon.

So we're either lynching scum or we're getting rid of an unneeded role anyway.

Don't get me wrong, being VT sucks.

and

Why should I get lynched? I haven't done anything wrong (that I know of)

particularly this one, are what I'm talking about. I mentioned it last night but I want to quote them tonight for emphasis. Keeping an eye on him for now.

~Fugi

P.BTW: ur quite w3lcum, C-Worl.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

EBWOP: Just thought I'd let you guys know why I'm fighting Pie so hard on this:

Too lazy.

ConfidAnon is probscum. THB is too. Calcifer is iffy.

So from rank for you it'd be

1. Pine
2. Confid / THB
3. Calc

?

Sure.

From my experience this kind of apathy in this situation is a scum-tell. He seems to know his reads won't be taken seriously after his flip. That's the main reason I care to replace my vote on Friend and want to see him lynched.

[diddin]

Welp. We have four days left. I may or may not be gone all of tomorrow due to a band trip. I will reluctantly drop the hammer on Friend if there are no objections.

[Hiraki]

Not feeling fine about Pine.

How about Calc. though?

Also, I ignored a post? Well um.. Here's a brilliant idea by yours truly.

Fucking quote it already before I see another bullshit post that I'm randomly defending Friend.

[nhammen]

Why should Fugitive? You're not making any sense Hikaru. Also, stop ignoring Pine's questions. Why are you claiming Friend to be towny, if you don't give your reason eventually someone will hammer him.

My mistake. Meant Cookie/Anti.

Because no one has made a valid case up, I'm going to assume there is no good case.

So, in other words, your adamant defense of Friend has no basis beyond your say-so. And yet you're vilifying Calcifer on almost exactly those grounds?

Exactly.

I could make a case on Calc. If you want me to.

So, what you are saying is that you would like people to vote for Calcifer, and have a case ready, but haven't provided that case yet. Why haven't you provided such a case? I don't see any reason that a town player would not give a case if they had one.

I think pine is scum, but lets follow what Calc said.

Doesn't anybody else see how scummy this slot is?

Oh, yes! Well, it's diddin, but at least it is someone.

He's certainly been attacking Pine quite a bit the last few pages. You call that not scumhunting?

He's been doing what? Where has this been?


Holy hydra-insanity!

[Pine]

So Hiraki, are we clear on this? You're going to continue defending Friend simply by dismissing the volumes of evidence, and deflecting onto anyone who pursues how odd that is?

By my clock, 12 hours and 49 minutes to the deadline set forth in P561. And when Friend flips scum, that'll move you to the top of the list.

[silverbullet999]

What clock are you looking at pine?

[GreyICE]

I WANT THOUGHTS ON MY PINE CASE

~Pie

I DON'T WANNA LYNCH PINE. CALCIFER HAS UNVERIFIED POTENTIALLY PR RELATED INFORMATION ON HIM.

IT'S DAY ONE YOU DOUCHE CANOE

...

BRAINS

[C-Worl]

Caught up now. (For the most part, a few of the walls I just skimmed).

UNVOTE: Pine
You're being an idiot, IPie. I will detail to you why later, but Pine is town.

VOTE: Friend
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2874616
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2874669

No sense in clogging the thread by restating what's been said, I'll just say that those cases sum up my feeling on Friend pretty nicely with very little difference in opinion and have ultimately the same conclusion as my own.

~Fugi

P.P.S.

P.S. - I dunno if this is even technically a hydra since Fugi's made like one post. :U

I TOLD YOU I'D START POSTING.

Here's 1 case Hiraki.

EBWOP: Just thought I'd let you guys know why I'm fighting Pie so hard on this:

Too lazy.

ConfidAnon is probscum. THB is too. Calcifer is iffy.

So from rank for you it'd be

1. Pine
2. Confid / THB
3. Calc

?

Sure.

From my experience this kind of apathy in this situation is a scum-tell. He seems to know his reads won't be taken seriously after his flip. That's the main reason I care to replace my vote on Friend and want to see him lynched.

Oh look another case.

We have people coming out the wood work calling Friend out on deflection, hypocricy, and scumplaining. Friend himself has told us several times to go ahead and lynch him which is scumfrustration. Don't ignore the cases.

[Friend]

Frustration =/= scumfrustration. Hopefully this game will teach you that.

[C-Worl]

Only way to find out is to lynch you.

[TwoHeadedBoy]

Pie, however, just left to go to a party because of his lolsociallife

Which I slightly regret.

That said, I feel too much like shit to start up another vote-change-war (even though you're asleep) and I'll concede for now. Friend wants the rope, he'll get the rope. Not a loss from this head's POV. And I

guess

Fugi has a point concerning apathy.

We lynch Pine tomorrow, regardless of any flips.

I WANT THOUGHTS ON MY PINE CASE

~Pie

I DON'T WANNA LYNCH PINE. CALCIFER HAS UNVERIFIED POTENTIALLY PR RELATED INFORMATION ON HIM.

IT'S DAY ONE YOU DOUCHE CANOE

...

BRAINS

FUCK YOU, ZOMBIE

~Pie