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[Papa Zito]

Oh you bastards.

[Barry Allen]

EBWOP - here are the scenarios if we no lynch...and go into the night the same way we are today...

1. SK and Maf hit each other - not likely or that would have already happened.
2. One townie dies along with either SK or maf - draw tomorrow and gg to the remaining bad guy the next night
3. Both townies die - I don't know if that means a draw for the bad guys or if they continue to play and try to hit each other, but the town is still done for.

So...again, let's see those claims...

[Barry Allen]

EBWOP again...

If I had to venture a guess, I would bet that Papa Zito is also a mason, since he declared EA town so easily a long time ago. That may have been a "mason slip". So, bvoigt and Pods, either of you care to speak up? Or Zito, if I'm wrong now's the time to say so.

[Papa Zito]

Haha no it should be pretty obvious that I was EA's partner. It wasn't really a slip.

[Barry Allen]

Figured as much. Well, we are at least narrowing things down...

[Papa Zito]

Mmhmm.

Poor EA was convinced we had a vig. I guess the Mafia Doc + Watcher + GodKnowsWhatElse was to help find the SK.

[Papa Zito]

Gawd this sucks.

bluh bluh bluh

You two get in here. I need to know who gets to win this damn thing.

[pod person]

now that we have a confirmed mason, i am pretty sure it is impossible for town to win unless we have a hidden doc. and considering the lack of protection on the tracker or the lack of protection on obvious town erratus, i doubt that's the case. the problem with the crosshooting plan is that it doesn't work if someone is confirmed town. both scum will just shoot that person, and both will take the win/draw/whatever results from that scenario (it's usually a double-win for both teams in my experience.) ugh.

i am convinced that barry is the last mafioso and bvoigt is the sk. barry is and always has been obvious scum, but i don't think the sk kills make sense coming from him as much as they would coming from bvoigt. from my point of view both are confirmed scum, but i'm placing my bets on this role distribution rather than the opposite.

actually...
i know it sounds stupid but...
i think lynching zito is the way to go here. that way bvoigt and barry might actually have to make a decision on who to kill the following night. like i said earlier, if zito's alive going into night, scum both shoot him and gg.

vote: papa zito

[pod person]

wow, that is the most schizophrenic post ever. "we can't win" ---> "here are the scum" ---> "oh wait we can win" ---> "vote: confirmed town"
you can ignore my ramblings in that first paragraph.

[Barry Allen]

actually pods....YOU NEED TO CLAIM...and further...

Your scenario won't work. If we lynch a townie and both the maf and SK shoot the remaining townie at night, the TOWN LOSES in that scenario. I don't know if ANYONE wins...but I know the town loses. Your vote is a fail - are you actually voting for a town loss solution? Can you at least have the guts to claim?

[pod person]

the mafia and the sk won't know who the townie is. there is a chance of a town win in that scenario. not in any other scenario.

There is only one very far-fetched scenario that works...we lynch a townie on purpose, then the SK and mafia are stupid enough to hit each other tonight. I don't see that happening, and in any other scenario we are done for. This means we have one thing left we CAN do...decide who wins, the SK or the Maf. So, I'm asking for something unusual...

you even agreed with me here. and then you attack me for making the same proposition, except with more success.
i'm not scum but i don't feel i should claim just yet.

[Papa Zito]

vote: papa zito

This is stupid.

Will the two scum plz stand up so we can decide who gets to win kthx.

[Barry Allen]

@Pod - you stated that the cross-shooting scenario would not likely work and that we would then see the bad guys likely shoot the town. That was my reference when saying you were for the town losing.

I would like to hear bvoigt post - and for both of you to claim. We can then move forward.

[Papa Zito]

Had this posted in the Mason QT. Updated for the hell of it. :/

WAGONZ

subgenius

(L-1):

Erratus Apathos

,

GreyICE

,

Ashblade

,

RobCapone

, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill
Bill McQuill (L-5):

Hiraki

,

Snake Eyes

bvoigt (L-6):

Papa Zito

Barry Allen (L-6):

subgenius

Papa Zito

(L-6):

Hayker

Not voting: bvoigt,

wikkiden

GreyICE

(L-0):

Erratus Apathos

,

RobCapone

,

Papa Zito

,

subgenius

, Barry Allen,

Snake Eyes

,

penpen

Bill McQuill (L-5):

Hiraki

,

Ashblade

bvoigt (L-6):

GreyICE

Papa Zito

(L-6):

Hayker

penpen

(L-6): bvoigt

subgenius

(L-6): Bill McQuill


Bill McQuill (L-2):

Papa Zito

,

RobCapone

,

Erratus Apathos

, Barry Allen

penpen

(L-4):

mozamis

, bvoigt

Papa Zito

(L-4):

penpen

,

subgenius

Not voting: Bill McQuill,

Hiraki

Note: I include this because Bill bailed right afterwards. I wonder if he was scum and panicked.


Hiraki (L-0):

RobCapone

, bvoigt,

AGar

,

subgenius

,

Papa Zito

,

mozamis

pod person (L-3):

Erratus Apathos

,

Hiraki

, Barry Allen

RobCapone

(L-5): pod person

AGar

(L-0):

subgenius

,

Erratus Apathos

,

Papa Zito

, Barry Allen
Barry Allen (L-2): pod person, bvoigt

Papa Zito

(L-3):

AGar

[pod person]

i'll do the honors then. barry, you can claim, since i already did. i don't think your claim will be very surprising though.

subgenius

(L-1):

Erratus Apathos

,

GreyICE

,

Ashblade

,

RobCapone

, Barry Allen, Bill McQuill
Bill McQuill (L-5):

Hiraki

,

Snake Eyes

bvoigt (L-6):

Papa Zito

Barry Allen (L-6):

subgenius

Papa Zito

(L-6):

Hayker

Not voting: bvoigt,

wikkiden

2 mafia wouldn't be not voting at l-1 - they tend to spread votes around, with usually a max of one not voting, and the rest on other wagons. good argument for bvoigt-sk. barry and me are the only unconfirmed on the sub wagon here, so this pretty much cements barry as mafia in my eyes.

GreyICE

(L-0):

Erratus Apathos

,

RobCapone

,

Papa Zito

,

subgenius

, Barry Allen,

Snake Eyes

,

penpen

Bill McQuill (L-5):

Hiraki

,

Ashblade

bvoigt (L-6):

GreyICE

Papa Zito

(L-6):

Hayker

penpen

(L-6): bvoigt

subgenius

(L-6): Bill McQuill

2 scum late on the lynch wagon and one bvoigt voting mafia. just as expected. bvoigt not mafia, barry mafia. shock. and. awe.

Bill McQuill (L-2):

Papa Zito

,

RobCapone

,

Erratus Apathos

, Barry Allen

penpen

(L-4):

mozamis

, bvoigt

Papa Zito

(L-4):

penpen

,

subgenius

Not voting: Bill McQuill,

Hiraki

hey look wagon on my slot has one scum. and bvoigt still voting confirmed scum (along with other confirmed scum.) bill mcflake not voting because he sucks.

Hiraki (L-0):

RobCapone

, bvoigt,

AGar

,

subgenius

,

Papa Zito

,

mozamis

pod person (L-3):

Erratus Apathos

,

Hiraki

, Barry Allen

RobCapone

(L-5): pod person

there is.

no way

. that any sane person can think bvoigt is mafia after this votecount. why do i even have to spell it out?

AGar

(L-0):

subgenius

,

Erratus Apathos

,

Papa Zito

, Barry Allen
Barry Allen (L-2): pod person, bvoigt

Papa Zito

(L-3):

AGar

hello barry quickhammering his buddy. most obvious bus i've ever seen.

[Barry Allen]

there is.

no way

. that any sane person can think bvoigt is mafia after this votecount. why do i even have to spell it out?
hello barry quickhammering his buddy. most obvious bus i've ever seen.

Pods, you are missing the point big time...
There is one mafia and one serial killer still in this round. Mathematically your view cannot hold water. You are saying
1. Papa Zito is town
2. Pods is town
3. No way is bvoigt scum

.....and we only have 4 players.

You are also accusing me of being scum and hammering a scumbuddy in a SK round where I would then be risking the entire game on the luck of the draw, hoping the SK didn't get me that night. That's not bussing, that's attempted suicide.

Bascially, either you or bvoigt IS scum. I'm waiting for bvoigt to post, then I will have more to say. But, I can tell you without a doubt that one of you is the maf.

[Papa Zito]

Bascially, either you or bvoigt IS scum. I'm waiting for bvoigt to post, then I will have more to say. But, I can tell you without a doubt that one of you is the maf.

Is this an SK claim.

I don't really care at this point I just wanna know.

[Barry Allen]

Actually, PZ, I was just writing that...here it is...


I'm the

Serial Killer

. I'm amazed and honored to have made it this far.

I have actually helped the town at more than one point in time, though obviously my goal has been to make it through to a win for myself, as any player in this position should do. Here's my hits:

1. Night one - Hitting Snake Eyes was a truly randomized hit. Sorry SE.
2. Night two - I'm proud of this one. I purposely went for a mafioso and hit Mozamis. Looking back at the thread for D2, Mozamis looked the most scummy, and I did not want to see a clean sweep for the maf so I sent in the hit request and crossed my fingers.
3. Day three - again, I wanted to bring this down to one maf left - and I didn't want to be lynched myself. I was at L-2 at one point, remember. Still, I suspected strongly that the town was right about AGar and when I saw the vote at L-1 I hammered. Again, very proud to have hit that mafioso, bringing it down to one last bad guy for me to compete against (at least I hope it's just one).
4. Night three - I didn't want this to be just townies and me so I did purposely hit Subs for two reasons...First, to bring us to where we are today, and second...because I didn't suspect him of being maf. Not a nice thing, I realize, but at least I'm telling you exactly what happened.

As for my suspicions - I didn't have Zito high on my list, so if he turns up maf I'll feel really stupid. I do think his "clearing" of EA makes much more sense in light of the mason flip for EA. That leaves Pods and bvoigt.

Now, Pods - I have had fun going back and forth with you in this round. I don't know for sure your affiliation (though your last post makes me lean town read on you more than I ever have) - but going back and forth with you seemed to give me something to appear active about while keeping myself alive.

That would leave us with bvoigt as our likely mafioso...so let me clear my throat and do something that is just as unusual as claiming my role...I will ask the town to support the Serial Killer over the mafia.

If I am lynched today, you guarantee a mafioso victory. The maf will hit one of the remaining townies, there will be a tie tomorrow, and the maf wins the next night. Guaranteed. If you lynch a townie, I am much better off hitting a townie and taking the draw or "no result" or whatever it would be with the mafia - so I would not be inclined to hit a suspected mafioso. I would venture a guess that the last remaining maf would feel the same way - since our hitting each other would automatically mean we both lose. This means that my original statement is correct - right now there is no way for a town win to happen, though you are in the position to decide who does win.

I may be the SK - but I have killed two mafioso (one by night hit and one by day hammer) and hope you remember that kindly as you decide how to vote. I'm asking you to lynch the last mafioso. If that last maf isn't you, Pods, then it is likely bvoigt...and I will:

VOTE: bvoigt

bvoigt - if you are maf please post your case as to why you should be allowed to win. If you are not, then let's put the pressure on Pods to give his own case.

[Papa Zito]

Imma post an "I told you so" rite here cuz I told EA you weren't town and he wouldn't listen.

Anyway pods should be the last mafia guy so I guess we're choosing between you two?

Bvoigt get the hell in here this game is all kinds of wtf.

[Papa Zito]

P.S.

Look at those bastards in Suspiciously Average Mafia with their town win.

YOU SUCK THAT GAME.

bunch of smurfs

[Barry Allen]

Well, looks like it is down to me and the last maf as far as a choice for lynch. I'd like bvoigt to post here before I look at my vote again. But, in the end it really belongs to You, Papa Zito, and the last townie. If the two of you agree on a vote, I'm sure either I'll join you in voting off the last mafioso, or the last mafioso will join you in voting me out.

[Papa Zito]

It would help to know exactly who that was.

pods don't be coy.

[pod person]

*sigh*
since i proved beyond a doubt that bvoigt is not mafia... barry is confirmed not mafia... and zito is confirmed town... yeah. take a guess.

why should i win? i replaced into a doomed slot and proceeded to spend more time reading the game than any member of the town did. i actually gave a damn, which it seemed like no one else did at the time. not trying to sound arrogant, but it's a fact that i gave you guys a bunch of content to work with.

the zito vote is wasted now.

unvote, vote: barry

it's funny that i had all the other scum on my scumlist.

[pod person]

also, for the laughs, here's the number of people in this game who i have played or modded over at some point or another, including everyone who was replaced in this game: 9. exactly half of the people affiliated with this game besides myself.

[Barry Allen]

Pods - thank you for finally coming out to claim...at least we can now have an honest vote here.

As for me...I have actually hit one scum and hammered another. In that respect I have actually done quite a bit for the town even while trying to fulfill my own win conditions. I have stayed with this round from the beginning, and while I do appreciate Pods coming in on the round I certainly hope my own record will allow me the consideration of the town.

UNVOTE
VOTE: Podperson