Cold War Mafia - GAME OVER!!

[Stephoscope]

Smarg today, bvoigt tomorrow - let's do this.

Does your plan change depending on how smargaret flips?

[smargaret]

^^spoken like someone who knows how I'm going to flip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Steph

[Lowell]

Huh?

[ThAdmiral]

Smarg today, bvoigt tomorrow - let's do this.

Does your plan change depending on how smargaret flips?

Cross bridge when come to it.

[Sotty7]

Day 3, vote count 3

smargaret - 6 -

ThAdmiral, LynchMePls, Furcolow, Sathoris, Beasts of the Sea, Lowell

DavidParker - 2 -

EGL, Scott Brosius

Furcolow - 3 -

XScorpion, Stephoscope, The Fonz

gonnano - 1-

bvoigt

Scott Brosius - 1 -

DavidParker

Stephoscope - 1 -

smargaret

Not voting - 2 -

gonnano, Feysal

• With
  16
  players alive, it takes
  9
  to lynch.
  
• Deadline for the end of day three is Monday April 4th @2PM CST

[The Fonz]

Fonz, RedCoyote flipped. He was a town vig.

Oops.

Can someone put the smargaret case in a nutshell for me?

[LimMePls]

No. You'll have to read the ISO. You'll get it at most halfway through, I promise.

[The Fonz]

I've read the ISO. All I see is some votehopping, really.

[Furcolow]

the fonz = jmj
wonderful
now i know why hes voting me

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: amrun

I just did a little researching, and I've found something I find suspicious. I am not going to just openly bandwagon - I'm going to lynch who I find to be scum.

Amrun is likely scum, even if his play appears pro-town and detailed. I have picked up on something he does as scum. I will have to see if he does this as town as well. I will be right back. researching!

jeez, this is going to sound like a weird case.
ok, as scum, the first thing i noticed he does (in verona mafia) is ask really lilting toned questions, as seen here:
"So your sole reason for voting for me is you think other people are scum?"
How does that further discussion? I didn't even have to look off this page!!

FURTHERMORE, I saw a game of his as town... around 20 posts... he doesn't quote a single person. He just makes informative posts about his analysis as town, which he is not doing here, and he is also quoting people here. Coupld that with this: He quoted excessively as scum, and I feel there is a pretty good case on him.

On top of that, PoisonIvy considering the nationalities actually felt like a slip to me. I know a lot of people dismissed it, but it was a strike against the slot for me.

This is all I have, but I mistook Amrun for Artem

the case is about Artem, in actuality, but noone was receptive to his lynch as his meta seems sooooo protown

check out how protown he appears in verona mafia
this mirrors that
also, i will find the game where he didnt quote ONCE as town.. hold on

ehhh... i'm wrong. I must have made a mistake. His play is actually similar to his town play.

I had him then I backtracked
I feel like an idiot over this
If I had only not mistaken them for Amrun, my tunneling would have been successful 2 weeks ago

[bvoigt]

UNVOTE: gonnano
VOTE: smargaret

Might as well.

[Furcolow]

^^spoken like someone who knows how I'm going to flip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Steph

This doesn't work in a two faction game, sorry

[Stephoscope]

Unvote
Vote: smargaret

So, smargaret, who do you claim to be?

[smargaret]

Willy Brandt, West German neighbor. I want there to be peace, and I believe that my neighbor who will remain unnamed for now also wants this. I have a town read on my neighbor.

Give me ~24 hours to write up/post my reads before hammering. If anyone does hammer before I post said reads, look at them tomorrow.

[Feysal]

I was reading another part of the game, then looked at the more recent posts and found smargaret at L-1 and claimed. After the way Amrun got quickhammered, I'd hate to see smargaret go the same way. Could someone unvote her and take her out of hammering range? Least we can do is hear her out.

During my reading I spotted Artem's replacement post, where the only read he gave was that he wanted smargaret lynched first. Looked like a strong indicator that they were not scum together, though that should be obvious since smargaret claimed to be West German.

More later, I have some reading to finish.

[bvoigt]

UNVOTE: smargaret

Brandt does look pretty peaceful.

[Furcolow]

neighbor..
quicktopic...
scum don't have those, do they
har har har
my vote remains

[ThAdmiral]

Flavour?

[EGL]

Would it make sense to say that, regardless of Smarg's alignment, there's probably some sort of scum on the Smarg wagon IFF there are two scum groups?

[Sotty7]

Day 3, vote count 3

smargaret - 7 -

ThAdmiral, LynchMePls, Furcolow, Sathoris, Beasts of the Sea, Lowell, Stephoscope

DavidParker - 2 -

EGL, Scott Brosius

Furcolow - 2 -

XScorpion, The Fonz

Scott Brosius - 1 -

DavidParker

Stephoscope - 1 -

smargaret

Not voting - 3 -

gonnano, Feysal, bvoigt

• With
  16
  players alive, it takes
  9
  to lynch.
  
• Deadline for the end of day three is Monday April 4th @2PM CST
  
• XScorpion
  has been prodded.

[The Fonz]

UNVOTE: smargaret

Brandt does look pretty peaceful.

LOL. Having succeeded wonderfully with a couple of 'That sounds like a warlike name!1!' wagons, are we going to see a wagon die on the basis of 'that sounds like a peaceful name?' I mean, don't get me wrong, i don't really see how anything smarg has done is worse than the equivalent actions from DP. But letting someone you think is scum off the hook because of their name... man.

If smarg is truthful, then the fact that Brandt is a neighbour rather than a mason makes me think a Yanqui scum group is likely.

the fonz = jmj
wonderful
now i know why hes voting me

Yeah, and you being a horrific detriment to town, and the guy who pointed out you playing to your scum meta having been NKed aren't good reasons or anything.

Would it make sense to say that, regardless of Smarg's alignment, there's probably some sort of scum on the Smarg wagon IFF there are two scum groups?

If that's the case, there's probably scum on all the wagons. The thing is, unless you've got a strong inclination that there's a particularly large or small concentration, that's of little use. Because knowing that there is at least one scum in ten people doesn't narrow it down any more than random lynching would.

[Sathoris]

Going to be V/LA untill late sunday afternoon.

Unvoting based on a peaceful sounding name is ridiculious.

[XScorpion]

Congratulations on forcing a non-Furc person to claim. You guys are awesome. There is sarcasm here.
Like seriously, since when is it a good idea to keep VI's alive this long? What a joke.

[Stephoscope]

Even though bvoigt is probably scum, I have to agree with him here. I believe smargaret's claim.

Unvote

[Scott Brosius]

Would it make sense to say that, regardless of Smarg's alignment, there's probably some sort of scum on the Smarg wagon IFF there are two scum groups?

Well yes it would make sense, but this isn't helpful. As I have said in probably every game, taking a large group of players and saying there are scum in it is completely useless. General probability would say this is true. It gives the guise of scumhunting when in actuality it doesn't provide any information.

Smarg's claim seems genuine. I have yet to see a mason/neighbor fakeclaim (besides once but the person flipped VT). DP or Furc should be the lynch.

bvoigt: Why would you ever make a decision based on character name? Tito and Che have flipped town.