[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[chkflip]

I love pretentious people.

Lovers, Wolves, Mafiosos and a Meanie

TOWN

1x Psychic [cop/seer] (gets "scum" or "not scum")
1x Doctor
1x Hated Miller
2x Vengeful Lovers (If one lover is lynched/NK'd, Townie is given one day/nightkill then suicides in the same phase)
11x Vanilla

MAFIA

1x Godfather
1x Goon (1-shot bulletproof)

SCUM2

1x Alpha Werewolf
1x Werewolf (1-shot bulletproof)

[lewarcher82]

huh, chk, you are posting your setup here for discussion or what?

There are conventional names for roles... you are using them improperly and I don't understand why. Are Alpha WW and GF inv immune or not? If not, what is their power in this last version of your game?

I am simply unable to understand if you want to do a mafia + werewolves game, implying that the investigative roles should be separated, or a double-mafias game... in other words, you just want on of your scum teams to be very hairy (flavorwise) or you want them to undergo different investigative mechanics? Flavour is for theme games, not for open... sorry, but this is what I think...

[Tragedy]

An informational role who could detect scum or not, we'd normally call 'em a Detective. But seriously, why so?

[chkflip]

Ah, Detective. Didn't know that.

Sorry about that snide remark at the top there, lew. I figured making it one investigative role would hack the "cop can only find one scum" problem, giving them the chance to find two instead of one. You're right about the flavor thing, though, I hadn't really considered that. I suppose we can make them Mafia A and B if it's all the same.

Lovers, Friends, Mafiosos and a Meanie

TOWN

1x Detective (gets "scum" or "not scum")
1x Doctor
1x Hated Miller
2x Vengeful Lovers (If one lover is lynched/NK'd, Townie is given one day/nightkill then suicides in the same phase)
11x Vanilla

MAFIAA

1x Godfather
1x Goon (1-shot bulletproof)

MAFIAB

1x Godfather
1x Goon (1-shot bulletproof)

[Tragedy]

Then you could call it a Cop.
A Cop can define if the target is "TOWN" or "NOT TOWN".
Depends how you put it.

[Mr. Flay]

Tragedy is correct, though "Detective" works fine too, I think.

And Open Games CAN be Themed, as long as everything is translated transparently into Open Setup language as well.

[Tragedy]

Kämpfer Battle

1 White Kämpfer Leader
1 Gewehr (Gunner) User
1 Schwert (Swordsman) User

1 Messenger
1 Schwert (Swordsman) User
1 Used Messenger
1 Back-Up Messenger

1 Messenger
1 Gewehr (Gunner) User
1 Used Messenger
1 Back-Up Messenger

6 People

NOTES

- Schwert User can choose to defend somebody during the night, and can hold against the Gewehr user's attack, but not the Zauber user's attack.
- Gewehr User can choose to kill somebody during the night. If defended by Schwert user, it fails.
- Zauber User can choose to shoot fireballs at somebody, roleblocking against them without fail.
- Used Messengers are basically 'Masons' with their original user [Gunner User for Blue, Swordsman for Red]. They cannot be killed, unless their original owners have died.
- Messengers can recruit a person (PEOPLE FACTION) to join their alliance, allowing the player to become a Zauber for Blue/Red Kämpfers. If they shot by Gewehr user, and you do not have an owner, you will die.
- Back-Up Messengers can replace back-up the messenger when their owner and him/herself has died. S/he will have the same role as the original Messenger.
- White Kämpfer Leader can hypnotize someone to do your biddings. The hypnotized player will kill another target of your own without any realization. It does

not

cancel their role actions during the Night, however.
- People cannot do anything other than Talk-a-lot and Vote against each other for elimination. However, they can be recruited by the Moderators to become Kämpfer [Recruited by Moderator, giving you the ability to become a Zauber User]
- White Kämpfers wins when all Factions are dominated by them.
- Red Kämpfers wins when all of the White Kämpfers are eliminated while the Blue Kämpfers are dominated.
- Blue Kämpfers wins when all of the White Kämpfers are eliminated while the Red Kämpfers are dominated.
- People wins when any factions earn their win condition.
- All factions but the People could talk during the Night.
- If the Messenger's Owner died, so will the messenger him/herself. Back-Up Messenger can replace the original Messenger of Blue/Red Kämpfer Faction.

[ortolan]

let's run one of my setups again

True Love or Follow The Cop

You can't get much better

[andrew94]

is that german?
what is it so complicated

[Tragedy]

Kampfer = Warrior / Fighter
Gewehr = Warrior who uses Guns or something like that.
Schwert = Warrior who uses Swords or something like that.
Zauber = Warrior who uses Magic or something like that.

Not really relevant to the Open game anyways.

[Crazy]

let's run one of my setups again

True Love or Follow The Cop

You can't get much better

Nominate True Love

I dunno about Follow The Cop, though; I'm not sure there's any reason for the Princesses to not just claim immediately. Doing that would keep the cop from investigating them and it keeps any wagoned scum from claiming princess.

[ortolan]

let's run one of my setups again

True Love or Follow The Cop

You can't get much better

Nominate True Love

I dunno about Follow The Cop, though; I'm not sure there's any reason for the Princesses to not just claim immediately. Doing that would keep the cop from investigating them and it keeps any wagoned scum from claiming princess.

tbh there might indeed have been some ongoing issues with it, I don't really remember

Second True Love

[Tragedy]

How does True Love work?

[Crazy]

4 pairs of Lovers

2 pairs are Town/Scum
2 pairs are Town/Town

Nightless

Lover pairs are publicly revealed at the start of the game. (Or at least they were last time it was run.)

[Tragedy]

Would most likely a Bastard Mod if you let players declare their lovers and they lie. Give it the example of Lovers' Mafia, that setup.
4 Lover Scums -> They can all switch lovers with each other for fun haha.

[Olinea]

Would most likely a Bastard Mod if you let players declare their lovers and they lie. Give it the example of Lovers' Mafia, that setup.
4 Lover Scums -> They can all switch lovers with each other for fun haha.

Except when their Town lovers call the fakeclaim and the scum get lynched.

[animorpherv1]

@Tragedy's sugestion, please remember that most mods who go to the Open Queue to mod, it is their first time modding. It's too complexe.

[chkflip]

I hope me posting (sometimes often) corrections doesn't irritate anyone or deter others from posting. I just want to be able to get this right so I can mod it myself in my first modded game evuh (which isn't reccomended, I know, but I like to learn "the hard way") in t-minus 16 mods. >_<

A Cult-Classic Crime of Passion

TOWN

1x Cop
1x Jailkeeper
4x Vengeful Lovers [two pair] (When Lover is lynched/NK'd, Lover2 is given NK before suicide next day)
10x Vanilla

MAFIAA

1x Framer
1x Bus Driver
1x Goon (Possible Back-Up Framer or Driver?)

CULT

1x Cult Leader

[andrew94]

is this gonna be in an open game?


do the cult get to recruit if the leader dies
does the leader die if he recruits mafia
does the bus driver affect the recruiter
whats the pt of the busdriver = =

[lewarcher82]

And more important: what happen if a lover gets culted?

[bv310]

Tragedy, that's way too complex for a game, and I'm not even sure if you can call it Mafia.

[Tragedy]

Tragedy, that's way too complex for a game, and I'm not even sure if you can call it Mafia.

I don't know.
I guess it's best as a Large Theme Game or something.

[Mr. Flay]

Tragedy, that's way too complex for an Open Queue game, and I'm not even sure if you can call it Mafia.

FTFY

[chkflip]

Yes, it's open.

No, recruiting dies with the CL. They basically become a PR-less mafia at that point.

Depends on the mod; I think it should kill him.

Yes, the busdriver effects the recruiter.

The point of the BD is to throw PRs. They'll have to be more cautious with "results." It could also effect Lover's NK.

If a lover gets culted, they become a Vanilla Cultist. The other lover will still Vig if the Culted Lover dies.

[andrew94]

is it day or night start.

dont you think if the CL dies day 1 or night 1 , it becomes crap?
or if the cl recruits someone, then dies, that dude sure is gonna be pissed = =