Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Twistedspoon]

@TS: because some people, like me, believe in "lynch all liars" policy.
.

I lied because if I said 'hey, ingredients can be taken'

you'd have asked 'how do you know this?

and then I'd be forced to claim PR if it wasn't already assumed.

I lied to protect a town PR. how is that bad?

[Hazard with a Glove]

You could have just not said anything, like anyone else would have done.

[Hoppster]

I forgot the exact wording myself until I double checked. It's a small thing, easy to overlook when caught up in the moment.

My PM says that "evil people" are after my goodies.

"Evil people" is italicized.

You consider 'evil people' in italics to be easy to overlook? That seems like something that would stick in my head.

@ Twisted: I agree with Hazard here... if you were concerned about outing yourself, just don't comment on it. That's really quite obvious, I don't see how you missed that...

[Amrun]

It's still just two words, hoppster.

In the beginning of the game, I forget things because I have to re-read them several times before it all sticks firmly in my mind.

But something about TS' claim bothered me enough that I did go back and re-read my pm because I didn't want to accuse without being sure. When I re-read, I became sure.

[vezokpiraka]

Meta for me?

Let me think. Check one of Reck's LOST games. I am town in one of them , scum in another and lyncher in one,

[Charlie]

Vote count 8

Twistedspoon (3) - Amrun, Nobody Special, Hazard with a Glove
mb53 (2) - Hoppster, Kalofer
Hazard with a Glove (2) - crazypianist1116, Morthas
Zyrconium (2) - Stels, mb53
ToastyToast (1) - Twistedspoon

Not voting: Zyrconium, vezokpiraka, ToastyToast
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is Wednesday, 30th March at 1030 hours (GMT-5)

[Stels]

@ Stels: I think you are reading too much into the pre-game info.

The fact that TS's role name is the same as one that came from pre-game info can be interpreted that TS probably took his claim from the pre-game info (fake-claim). Since my role pm doesn't say anything about him being scum, he is a null read. Other's say he is scum.
The fact that other people view him as scum even now despite being a PR, probably suggests that he might have taken the claim from the pre-game info.
Doesn't that strike you as weird?

[Zyrconium]

@Stels: Do you think TS is lieing about his abilities?
If not, why would he have to lie about the name and why would the name "zoo visitor" fit the abilities as well as it does?

[Stels]

@Zyrconium: He might be is what I'm trying to get at.
The fact that Zoo Visitor is already posted in Post #1 of Page #1 already makes it a safe claim, since Charlie already provided it for the scum team if they spotted it.

[Twistedspoon]

but post one doesn't mention the zoo visitor's abilities.

It would be very risky to make up a role with the abilities of mine (stealing candy from the VTs) :/

[Stels]

Yet it isn't risky to make that role up if you already know about the candy mechanics from the same exact post with a sample VT info that has ingredients. Or you probably renamed your original role name to Zoo Visitor if you're actually scum or just simply changed your alignment.
The fact that you've been spewing all this "Hey guys! I am the attention hog #1, I'm too active to actually be scum" WIFOM goes together well with the "Hey! I am town, if I wasn't I wouldn't even risk claiming SUCH a dangerous role." WIFOM.

[Hazard with a Glove]

At this point i'm pretty torn between if TS is scum or not. I'm still keeping my vote on him for now.

[Twistedspoon]

well i have no other arguments do i?
I've claimed and told the truth and there's little else I can do or say regarding my alignment.

[Hoppster]

The fact that TS's role name is the same as one that came from pre-game info can be interpreted that TS probably took his claim from the pre-game info (fake-claim). Since my role pm doesn't say anything about him being scum, he is a null read. Other's say he is scum.
The fact that other people view him as scum even now despite being a PR, probably suggests that he might have taken the claim from the pre-game info.
Doesn't that strike you as weird?

Are you saying Hazard is scum as well, then? Do you think scum would plan to both fake-claim identical claims day one? It would make no sense for Hazard to do it, with Twisted nearing a lynch.

I am going to reiterate my belief that the candy mechanic is, at the very least, a scum role. Could be town as well, but I'm not so sure on that.

UNVOTE:

@ mb & crazypianist: Did you guess Hazard's reasons correctly?

[Nobody Special]

well i have no other arguments do i?
I've claimed and

told the truth

and there's little else I can do or say regarding my alignment.

After lying out of your ass, yes.

Get lynched, that's what you can "do" about your alignment.

[mb53]

@ mb & crazypianist: Did you guess Hazard's reasons correctly?

Yes, I believe I said in my last post that I guessed correctly.

I am not sure I see why everyone is voting for TS now, especially after his role was confirmed by hazard. I think TS had a good motive to lie and protect his power role. And no way could he accurately guess what the zoo visitor role does.

(Obviously, I am against LAL, or any type of policy lynch for that matter.)

Would like to hear more from NS. Have you even read the whole game yet?

[Hoppster]

@ mb & crazypianist: Did you guess Hazard's reasons correctly?

Yes, I believe I said in my last post that I guessed correctly.

Sorry, my bad if you did.

[Stels]

The fact that TS's role name is the same as one that came from pre-game info can be interpreted that TS probably took his claim from the pre-game info (fake-claim). Since my role pm doesn't say anything about him being scum, he is a null read. Other's say he is scum.
The fact that other people view him as scum even now despite being a PR, probably suggests that he might have taken the claim from the pre-game info.
Doesn't that strike you as weird?

Are you saying Hazard is scum as well, then? Do you think scum would plan to both fake-claim identical claims day one? It would make no sense for Hazard to do it, with Twisted nearing a lynch.

I am going to reiterate my belief that the candy mechanic is, at the very least, a scum role. Could be town as well, but I'm not so sure on that.

UNVOTE:

@ mb & crazypianist: Did you guess Hazard's reasons correctly?

Sorry, I actually missed Hazard's claim. IDK what to believe, but it's probably a safe bet to not pursue TS if he actually is town.

[Zyrconium]

So we're now agreeing that either TS and Hazard are scum(which is unlikely), Hazard is lieing about his role and abilities(which we can totally check) or they're both town?

[Amrun]

Why can't one be town and the other be scum?

[mb53]

Why would they have the exact same role PM if they were different alignments?

[Stels]

@mb53: I just thought of it, but Amrun may be correct. Zoo visitors could generally be of any alignment if you think about it logically.

[ToastyToast]

Why would they have the exact same role PM if they were different alignments?

Because one could be lying. Since TS claimed first, most likely him if that were the case.

[crazypianist1116]

@ mb & crazypianist: Did you guess Hazard's reasons correctly?

I thought Hazard's PM said something specifically about TS. I didn't specifically guess that they had the same role. The quote about TS asking about items could be construed as rolefishing at best or he could be contradicting his role with a mod-provided fakeclaim at worst. I still don't trust Hazard's flip on TS. I just don't think having the same roles in a mini game (apart from vanilla) is likely. If anyone wants to provide examples to counter, feel free.

[ToastyToast]

crazypianist has a good point. So do you think Hazard or TS is lying? I think a town role that steals ingredients is plausible, but also something to look out for given Amrun's PM info.