Open 290 - Double Day (Game Over)

[Klazam]

Mera-

My vote was on you because of your response. It felt wrong to me. Instead of posting something meaningful- you act like "pressuring you" was a joke.

Then your reply.... It's like you think its not worth the effort for me to question you. One thing i did get from your second response was the impression that you thought it would have been better for me to leave my vote on Hiraki, who claims he got two games mixed up. Why is that? It seems that you think that Hiraki's wagon had a good reason behind it or something.

Then you dimiss bvi in a jokey manner.

This is a lot of things i just gained from voting you. It seems that my vote was justified.

[Stephoscope]

Vote Count

ConfidAnon - (3) singersigner, Furcolow, Number58
Meransiel - (3) bvoigt, Hiraki, Klazam
nachomamma - (2) DrBokChoy, ConfidAnon
Furcolow - (2) Meransiel, silverbullet999
Hiraki - Pim
Number58 - Nobody Special

Not Voting: Twistedspoon, HWAG, boberz, Nachomamma8

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
The current deadline is Monday, April 4th, 8PM EST.

Hazard With A Glove has requested replacement. Working on it.

[Number58]

ConfidAnon - You have not responded to what I have said, or the same question that has been asked to you by other players. Can you please do so?

I think that Furcolow is more likely town then mafia given what he is saying. I actually think that he is doing some good question asking and the way he is reacting is from someone who is town. I think that ConfidAnon still needs more votes because he is not answering anything that is put against him, and the increased pressure is a good way to assure that we get the answers needed to lock in on an alignment.

[Nachomamma8]

One lynch from {Meransiel (+1), Nobody Special, singersinger}
One lynch from {DrBokchoy, Hazard with a Glove, boberz}

[Klazam]

Nacho- Do you have any specific reason for these damn lists, other than not wanting to participate in discussion?

[Nobody Special]

Here's what I know about Nacho: He's not an ass just for the sake of being an ass. So, there's some requirement or reason for these damned lists of his. If I could just figure it out.

Very annoying.

[Number58]

Why do you care what they are so much as to that he is making them?

Also what they are isn't that hard to figure out. Just think about it a little.

[Nobody Special]

I don't think it's the obvious thing.

[Number58]

Im pretty sure its the ones he thinks is mafia and the ones who are not posting.

Again, why are you so concerned about it?

[Twistedspoon]

Im pretty sure its the ones he thinks is mafia and the ones who are not posting.

this

[DrBokchoy]

The vote of him on nachomamma also is bad because he is trying to vote on something that is not scum motivated. I do not see clear scum motivation for nachomamma to post the lists he has posted, so that means he is not scum for posting the lists. The person attacking the lists has scum motivation.

I disagree on this number58. Just because someone isnt contributing much to the thread doesnt mean someone voting them is scum. I am also voting nacho but would that show that I am scum? Isn't there something about pressure voting? I wonder how that is different then. hmmm.

[ConfidAnon]

ConfidAnon - You have not responded to what I have said, or the same question that has been asked to you by other players. Can you please do so?

I think that Furcolow is more likely town then mafia given what he is saying. I actually think that he is doing some good question asking and the way he is reacting is from someone who is town. I think that ConfidAnon still needs more votes because he is not answering anything that is put against him, and the increased pressure is a good way to assure that we get the answers needed to lock in on an alignment.

You're right - I've been avoiding the questions.

My vote, on nachomomma, at that point, was strictly a pressure vote. I avoided the questions because stating that something is a pressure vote defeats the purpose of a pressure vote. I thought that with some pressure, we'd get some explanations for the lists and maybe some actual content, instead of, what is right now, total spam.

However, your chainsaw defense of nacho is noted. The following post bothers me more than any of your others:

Im pretty sure its the ones he thinks is mafia and the ones who are not posting.

Again, why are you so concerned about it?

To this, I pose the opposite question: Why aren't you concerned about it?

There is clear cause for concern here - a player who has given no content, just lists of vague purpose and reasoning. The behavior is completely antitown, and needs to be ended. Your posts lately don't sound very good at all. You have a theory about the lists, yet you seem to have no issues with nacho. Regardless of if you have the lists cracked or not, you should still be concerned that nacho isn't posting any definitions.

What is more, you are actually deterring people from voting nacho to get information. You're point about the lists not being indicative of alignment has merit, I admit. However, your posts almost sound like you believe him to be town already, for no apparent reason. I can see two reasons for this: either you and nacho are scum together, and you are playing the antitown vs. scummy card as a way to get early votes off of him. Or, you could just be scum and him town, and you're using the scummy vs. antitown card as a way to appear knowledgeably protown without having to put as much effort towards scumhunting.

In either of those cases, you're scum. So Nacho gets downgraded to an FoS, while you get the prime spot. Congrats.

Unvote, Vote: Number58
FoS: nachomamma#somenumberIdontremember#

[Pim]

@Meransiel, so why do you think Hiraki is scummy?

Pim. There is no misunderstanding. You have horrible reasoning against me, that's it.

I do, but I realize that your entire case on me, is on the basis of a misunderstanding. Therefore, I don't really care about it.

Besides that, you still have permission to explain.

Fuck. This is the second time in a week that I messed up two games, my apologies.

Your case is still crap though, because you're assuming that Confid is scum. Wouldn't you want Confid to flip first before voting me?

Nope. Because my points against you come down to you faking that you're scumhunting. And I think it's rather you-Meransiel than you-ConfidAnon. Especially now that you ignoring my case against you gives you way too much attention and you want to get rid of it by pointing towards Confid.

@Silver
I don't see the answer to my question at post 112. The closest thing I can see, is that Furc's overreaction is scummy as you can't see any reason for Confid-scum to call him Parama. But then I wonder, what's the reason for Furc-scum to overreact on it?

Agreeing with Bvoight about Meransiel's post.

Last, Hiraki, remind me again why Meransiel and ConfidAnon look scummy to you?

[silverbullet999]

-Pim

But then I wonder, what's the reason for Furc-scum to overreact on it?

You really should start reading my posts...

I'm feeling less lazy today so I'll quote it in my most recent post.

You over reacted and went straight to the mod about this (something I think a scumbag would be more inclined to do if they feel they can pull a mod action from it which would obviously more than likely benefit scum).

[Pim]

Timestamps.

[silverbullet999]

ehm... wha?

[Pim]

Timestamps - Time when posts were made.
aka

1. Furc made the post in which he 'informs' the mod of Confid's 'wrong-doing', which is the post you are now using as reason why you think his reaction is scummy.
2. Post #102 (Silver post) not mentioning the mod bit.
3. Post #112 (Silver) not mentioning the mod bit.
4. Post #122 (Silver) not mentioning the mod bit.
(Pim asks his question)
5. Post #13

2

1 (Silver) pointing to a previous post which doesn't mention the mod bit.
6. Post #145 (Silver) finally mentioning the mod bit.

You're using a point as answer that wasn't made yet at the time I asked my question.

[silverbullet999]

You asked a new question in 162... you asked where the motivation is for fur scum.

If you bothered reading post 145 then you'd see I had already stated it thus you wouldn't have had a need to ask the question.

The question you posted in 124... you asked why I found the over reaction suspicious.

I pointed you to post 112 where he stated he was misrepresented and claimed that the misnaming was complete bullshit.

Please read posts.

[bvoigt]

You're right - I've been avoiding the questions.

My vote, on nachomomma, at that point, was strictly a pressure vote. I avoided the questions because stating that something is a pressure vote defeats the purpose of a pressure vote. I thought that with some pressure, we'd get some explanations for the lists and maybe some actual content, instead of, what is right now, total spam.

This is a fairly reasonable explanation.

[Hiraki]

Nope. Because my points against you come down to you faking that you're scumhunting. And I think it's rather you-Meransiel than you-ConfidAnon. Especially now that you ignoring my case against you gives you way too much attention and you want to get rid of it by pointing towards Confid.

Um...

The thought behind the vote/FoS posts is that one gets lesser attention (The one with the FoS) than the other (The one with the vote).

Isn't that saying that the FoS is my scumbuddy, because I'm alerting some but not all attention to him, but the vote is town?

So it would still need at least one flip.

Meran is scummy because his posts are horrible. Also, #33 looks like a lolBWjustcauseIcan.

Confid was scummy because he FoS'd me for no reason. He later explains that it's because I'm confusing. Since when does confusing=scum? Not many times.

[Nobody Special]

Im pretty sure its the ones he thinks is mafia and the ones who are not posting.

Again, why are you so concerned about it?

It may point to his alignment.

[Nachomamma8]

One lynch from {Meransiel (+1), singersinger}
One lynch from {DrBokchoy,

Hazard with a Glove

, boberz}

Mod, please replace boberz.

[Furcolow]

I lost a big post due to a power outage. I will summarize.
I feel like strawmanning is ignoring the meat of an argument, which is what you were doing Meransiel. Your little "I like the rest of your argument" tack on just proves that you're only focusing on a miniscule point. Let's not argue over semantics, you even admit you weren't focusing on anything but a minute detail that is of no importance. Why would you do that? hmmm to make me look bad. Why would you want to make me look bad? You're reaching.

Silverbullet, I had a huge response typed out for you, and I am honestly glad that my computer died. Your play is offensive, and YOU are the one out of line here. This issue was between ConfidAnon and myself, and I am not going to respond to you whatsoever in this thread anymore if I can help it. Good day to you, sir.

this is not the response I was looking for. I felt like Pim's case on you was pretty good, actually, for d1.

Again, the case leans on the possibility that Confid is scum.

I'd like for you to go back to Pim's post and actually respond to it... I am beginning to believe you might be town, but you're not helping it much, honestly.

ConfidAnon - You have not responded to what I have said, or the same question that has been asked to you by other players. Can you please do so?

I think that Furcolow is more likely town then mafia given what he is saying. I actually think that he is doing some good question asking and the way he is reacting is from someone who is town. I think that ConfidAnon still needs more votes because he is not answering anything that is put against him, and the increased pressure is a good way to assure that we get the answers needed to lock in on an alignment.

You diagnosing me as town has me suspicious of you, but I like where your vote is, so I really don't care. I am leaning town on you regardless, as I can somewhat pick apart scum from town focusing on townreads. I am just not

quite

sure how to take this. If you HAD to lynch someone other than ConfidAnon, who would you choose #58?

-Pim

But then I wonder, what's the reason for Furc-scum to overreact on it?

You really should start reading my posts...

I'm feeling less lazy today so I'll quote it in my most recent post.

You over reacted and went straight to the mod about this (something I think a scumbag would be more inclined to do if they feel they can pull a mod action from it which would obviously more than likely benefit scum).

I've read your posts, and not only are they bad, they are honestly offensive.

I liked Confid's recent post. It seemed to show genuine scumhunting

unvote

vote: Meransiel

I'm going with Nacho for now.

[silverbullet999]

-Fur

Silverbullet, I had a huge response typed out for you, and I am honestly glad that my computer died. Your play is offensive, and YOU are the one out of line here. This issue was between ConfidAnon and myself, and I am not going to respond to you whatsoever in this thread anymore if I can help it. Good day to you, sir.

Please state where I have been offensive to you. I apologize in advance however I don't recall doing any sort of namecalling or well really anything of the sort thus I'd like to know where it is.

[Furcolow]

Just your general behavior/tone/wordchoice in and of itself. I don't want to delve into it and start a pissing contest, just know I'm not going to really respond to you a lot, and if I do, like this, it will be very concise.