Mini 1126 - Game over - Was Averagely Suspicious saved?

[Papa Zito]

@Mod: Can you please prod bvoigt?

I realize he's not eligible but he's gonna hold this up.


Also I know who you are pods which helps this decision a bit.

[pod person]

okay. pm my main postgame and we'll see if you're right.

[Dekes]

Vote count 4.1

pod person (L-2): Barry Allen
Barry Allen (L-2): pod person

Not voting: bvoigt, Papa Zito

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch and 2 to no lynch.


Deadline is

March, the 31st, 10.30 p.m. EST

bvoigt has been notified that the day has started.

[Papa Zito]

You're a pal Dekes.

BTW I'm blaming GreyICE for this mess, just so ya'll know.

[bvoigt]

I'm here. What should I do?

[Barry Allen]

Basically, we need for you and Zito to choose who wins. There are two town left (you and Zito), one SK (me) and one maf (Pods). All have claimed.

With that count, there is no way for the town to win (see my earlier posts for this - basically either I win as SK or Pods wins as mafioso). But, you do decide who wins between mafia and SK. Lynch me and the mafia wins...lynch Pods and the SK (me) will win. I hope you will vote to lynch Pods, who is our last mafioso. I did hit Mozamis Night two, and I did hammer AGar, meaning that even while trying to meet my own win conditions I've done quite a bit of successful scum hunting. I hope you will take that into account when choosing your vote. However, that vote is right now up to you and to Zito. Pods and I have voted, and I believe Papa Zito is waiting for you to join us prior to hit vote being placed.

[Barry Allen]

EBWOP - Papa Zito is waiting for you to join us prior to

his

vote being placed.

[bvoigt]

OK, whatever. I thought there might be a small chance of still winning if I claimed scum, but I'm just a VT.

I'm leaning towards letting Barry win, because it's much easier to be one of 3 mafiosos than to go solo. On the other hand, I did have Barry pegged as scum for most of the game. What do you think, PZ?

Also, do you have NK immunity, Barry?

[Barry Allen]

No immunity for me from night hits, and now that we know who everyone is, no real chance of a cross-hit (in that case both the maf and I would lose, so it would be a poor move at this point).

[Papa Zito]

What do you think, PZ?

Here's what I think.

VOTE: No Lynch

Here's what else I think.

Barry's pushing this idea that we need to pick who wins right now as if there's just no chance of town winning. Unfortunately, I'm not an idiot, that's not true at all, and he knows it. What's really happening is he's deathly afraid of going to night so he's gone all-in now in hopes we'd hand him a rare SK victory.

If you lynch a townie, I am much better off hitting a townie and taking the draw or "no result" or whatever it would be with the mafia - so I would not be inclined to hit a suspected mafioso. I would venture a guess that the last remaining maf would feel the same way - since our hitting each other would automatically mean we both lose.

I'd take a goooood long look at your wincon before making these assumptions. And I'd take a gooooood long think at what the mafia's wincon might be.

@pods: I'm sure you know the score. Have a look at the way Barry's trying to play here for the win and decide if he's really going to start shooting townies tonight... orr if he's just trying to convince you to do that so he can shoot you.

@bvoigt: Hammer No Lynch plz.


Night kids.

[Barry Allen]

OK, Zito - here's how this works...at least as confirmed to me prior to my posting today from the GM:

If the round ends with just the maf and I, there is a draw. The incentive for the maf and I tonight would be to hit you and bvoigt and claim the tie. I hate ties...but if necessary I'll take it.

If you lynch me, it's endgame time for the maf to win. It's up to the GM if he wants to play this out to the end at that point, which would go as follows:
1. You lynch me and go to tonight with 2 town and one maf
2. Maf hits one of you tonight
3. Start tomorrow with one maf and one town, who tie into a no lynch
4. Maf hits last townie next night and wins

Same goes for my win if you lynch the maf.

The only other choices are to lynch a townie or to go no lynch. The only confusion with a no lynch would be if both the maf and I hit the same townie. In that case we go to 1 maf, 1 SK and 1 town into tomorrow - and again the last townie is the kingmaker.

In other words, Papa Zito, there truly is no way for you to win. The only way for you to win is for Pods and I to be stupid enough to hit each other. Otherwise, if one of us hits town and the other is hit by the other, then you go to the next day with 1 maf (or 1 sk) and 1 town...again it plays out to a town loss.

I don't know how to put this more clearly - the town has no chance. I'll take a tie if I have to...even if that risks a maf victory by getting hit tonight.

So...Papa Zito, good luck - if you're still alive tomorrow you will be in the same place you are today, only with more time on your hands before the resolution. Please reconsider your vote. Thanks!

[bvoigt]

I'm gonna trust PZ on this one.

VOTE: No Lynch

[Barry Allen]

OK pods - I hit zito tonight - you hit bvoigt and we can at least tie....or do what you want

[bvoigt]

WIFOM yay.

[Barry Allen]

Actually, no...tomorrow will depend on what Pods does. If he hits you and I hit Zito the game is over. You can call that what you want. My only disappointment in this is that we are having to settle it this way. I honestly could have accepted you lynching me and giving the win to Pods, even though I obviously preferred to win. This is just a sad way to end it.

[pod person]

barry, this is a town gambit to get us to shoot each other. if i were to shoot, i'd shoot you. i'm not going to shoot tonight. do what you will. if you shoot me, you will be lynched tomorrow. if you're not compulsive, you should also no-kill.

[pod person]

on that note... are you compulsive or not?

[Barry Allen]

You know what? I'll go with that...I realize you could hit me, but then YOU would be lynched tomorrow. So, I'll go with your idea. We really have two courses.
1. Each shoot a townie and take the tie...but you don't see to want that, so ok.
2. No-kill tonight and go right back to where we were.

I'll no-kill...I'm not THAT compulsive...and I know that if you double-crossed me you'd be giving up the game anyway. Works for me.

[pod person]

if we shoot, i cannot trust you, in fact, do not trust you, to not shoot me. and if were to shoot, you'd be dead. there is no way i'd kill a townie over my rival scum. if both of us shot, town would probably win. if neither of us shoot, town is in the same exact situation as tomorrow.

by the way, compulsive means "must action each night" in terms of mafia.

[Dekes]

Vote count 4.2

No Lynch (L-0): Papa Zito, bvoigt
pod person (L-2): Barry Allen
Barry Allen (L-2): pod person

Not voting:

It is a tense day. Everyone knows that it will soon be over and no one dares to make a move. Suddenly, Barry jumps forward and yells:"It was me! I killed some of the people. But I never meant to do any harm to Averagely Suspicious! It's just a bad habit of mine." "Tell me about it. Chain smoker for twelve years now", Papa Zito replies. pod person, irritated by this outburst from Barry, screams "No, wait! I killed some of the people! But it's not as bad as it sounds. The mafia just needed a new place to operate. And then, well, it got late and we were too tired to ask anyone if they gave up their town, so we took the easy way out." "I get you, man. Don't we have all some of these days?", bvoigt agrees.
"Why don't we all sleep a night over this one? And no secret killsies tonight!"
"Certainly."
"Excellent idea!"
"Can do."

No one was lynched Day 4.

It is now Night 4.

Deadline is

March, the 21st, 7:30 p.m.

. However, I may or may not start D5 sooner.

[Dekes]

Time is flying when your town is being threatened by vicious murderers. It is already springtime and you feel the nights are getting shorter and shorter. And apparently safer as well. Just as it was agreed upon, nobody had to suffer last night and you stand once again where you were yesterday. Will today be the end, one way or the other?

It is now Day 5.

[Dekes]

Vote count 5.0

Not voting: bvoigt, Papa Zito, pod person, Barry Allen

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch and 2 to no lynch.


Deadline is

April, the 4th, 4:30 p.m. EST

[pod person]

and here we go again.

vote: barry

.

[Barry Allen]

Yep, here we go again.

VOTE: pod person

At least we found out that both Pods and Barry are good for their word not to hit.

OK, bvoigt and Papa Zito...what say you? As for me, I hope you will kindly remember that I did hit Mozamis and hammered AGar while also FoS'ing pods for a loooonnnnggg time...in other words, I did a lot of scumhunting while trying to fulfill my own win conditions. I also would love to see that rare SK win, especially being that SK. But, it is really in your hands. If you agree to lynch one of us, the other wins. If not we're sort of stuck here, but that decision is truly yours to make.

[pod person]

and i caught the one other scum in the game as soon as i replaced in. anyone believing that i sincerely fosed rob is dumb, the next two on the list were my buddies, and the last person on my scumlist was in fact scum.