I'm rereading because I'm at a bit of a loss. I can't believe we're at this point with no dead scum. I want to blame it all on empking for being stupid enough to lie -- in order to draw a NK? As a
? However, my reads have been terrible this game so I'll take a little of the blame. If we don't lynch scum today we lose, and with most likely 3 scum alive they only need to convince one townie and we're screwed. It will be really embarrassing if we don't lynch a single scum all game so today's the day!
I agree with this post re: Darth:
Swiftstrike wrote:Ice reply to my post and a subsequent question by someone else after that makes me feel a lot happier about his statement I pulled him up on as there is a logic behind it I can follow and somewhat agree with.
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Darth Yoshi looking at your style of asking questions of other players such as this.
DarthYoshi wrote:
@Nameless: How exactly has Implosion redeemed himself? I see little scumhunting happening from him, and perfunctory defenses at best.
or these
DarthYoshi wrote:Neko:
Why not mb's? Other than Saint, he listed implosion and swiftstrike. Why shouldn't we be looking into them?
We should. I’m rather dismayed at how much active lurking the town is tolerating from these two (including from Swift’s predecessor). And, is there a reason why you didn't vote Saint? When you posted, there wasn't a risk of putting him at L-1.
@Setael: While I agree that lynching Saint could provide us with a lot of information—a Saint town flip would force me to rethink a number of my reads—you’re putting a vote on player without actually saying why you think that player is scum. The closest you get is saying that your reasons for not wagoning Saint weren’t that strong. If you think Saint is scum, why? If you don’t think he is scum, then why are you voting for him?
@ICE: Has your read on Emp changed? IIRC, you were pretty against lynching him on D1, but #620 is the second time already on D2 that you’ve expressed (unprompted) suspicion of Emp.
@Zdenek and Swiftstrike: Could each of you explain the scumslips you saw in one another? Saying they are scumslips doesn't make them scumslips--I'm wondering if I'm missing something, and the extreme brevity isn't helping.
Reminds me of how I play scum, asking question of players about another player to create a tension between those players rather than asking something a little bit more direct of a player have you got any game I could read where you played as town and asked questions in this same way, because at the moment I am a little wary of you because of how much it reminds me of my own scum style.
Darth is my biggest scum read right now. His play seems the most careful and deliberate. He's managed to avoid suspicion of himself for the most part and not make too big of waves. I feel like I was his pawn with the mb wagon. He posted the mb posts with a "anyone noticed this?" and I jumped on it like a fool.
darth, p 26 wrote:Nameless--IIOA = Information Instead of Analysis. Simply offering observations and re-stating facts than actually giving substance and analysis. Often considered a scumtell.
And yeah--that post from WoMC did seem pretty defensive.
This post is a good example. He answers a question meant for Weapons, trying to appear helpful. He then sheeps nameless' jab at weapons. He then defends/buddies up to ice in post 43.
The first thing Darth says about Weapons' "trap" is this:
darth wrote:On WoMC--I don't have a ton to add to everyone else's suspicions, except to say that contradictions so early in the game are just as apt to be jumped on by town who have little hard information to go on as they are by scum looking to frame someone, so its effectiveness as a trap seems dubious at best. So I'm not giving much credence to WoMC's defense so far.
He doesn't push weapons at all though, and his next post only talks about implosion. If he were town and really didn't like weapons' defense (and wasn't afraid of drawing attention to himself) he'd have followed up with weapons about this instead of just letting it go.
neko wrote:vote: implosion for making silly declarations and drawing inane connections on page one. This game is probably moving out of RVS rather quickly but dammit I haven't even posted yet!
A lot of things wrong with this post. First, he tries to make it clear it's a random vote with that second sentence, and yet he gives a reason for voting that is not random. Second, as ice points out right after, the implication is that implosion made multiple declarations and connections when that's not the case. [I see 2 possibilities. 1) neko wanted to distance from his scum buddy implosion with his "random" vote. Because it was distancing he felt like he needed a real reason and exaggerated what implosion had actually done, while all the while hiding behind that second sentence which implied it was a random vote. 2) neko is scum trying to cast suspicion on implosion town while avoiding responsibility by hiding behind the sentence implying it's a random vote. I don't see a possibility of this post being made by town.]
So then in post 40 he gives a "what he said" indicating that his post had been sarcastic. Clearly he's referring to the "but I haven't even posted!" line, but this doesn't change the fact that he tried to imply his vote was random when he actually gave a serious reason for voting. There's nothing sarcastic about "he's making silly declarations and drawing inane connections on page one". That's a real reason meant to either distance or indicate real suspicion.
Scum vibes from post 47. He unvotes implosion without explaining the weirdness of his original vote and then he asks neil a fluff question about game theory and defends implosion rather than letting implosion do it himself.
My scum read #2 is neko.
neko wrote:I highly suspect ICEninja of causing the storm that has shut everything down. If my power goes out, I'm coming after you. (I shouldn't have to, but I better specify that this is a joke). Congrats on getting a job--that's not easy to do right now.
Seriously now, WMC is gathering quite a few votes rather quickly. I don't like this last post by over9000 so much. I mean, I know the ideas behind a WMC wagon have already been beaten to death, but I just generally dislike a ditto vote that contributes nothing. There's no question to WMC, and there's no attempt to explore any other avenues. WMC is certainly not the only potential scum suspect right now, and there's plenty of daylight left, so this just looks like coasting.
On the topic, I really do think, as bizarre as it is, that WMC was trying to lay some sort of trap. What else could his "you missed the point" post mean? (not a rhetorical question--this is really bothering me). I can't tell whether this is a scummy move or a poorly conceived, town-motivated one. I'm just as interested as Implosion to see an instance of this being at all effective.
Mongoose's 64 is rather terrible, and I agree with Implosion's assessment. What is really interesting about Mongoose's post is that he was rattled enough by this distancing accusation that he bothered to make a second joke vote to rectify the situation (which really shouldn't be perceived as a "situation" in the first place). Nervous scum?
This post is highly suspect. He's the first to say he thinks weapons really was laying a trap and the way he words this really looks like bailing out a scum buddy. The line "What else could his "you missed the point" post mean?" is also really fishy because it makes no sense to attribute that line to part of a trap. If there was a point we were supposed to get, then it wasn't a trap. neko and swiftstrike could definitely be scum buddies.
Then there's this:
zed, p 38 wrote:Vote Silavor
Nameless already pointed out the reason. He gives reasons for his vote, but then says that its an RVS vote.
This post indicates a connection between neko and zdenek, since here zdenek votes silavor for doing exactly what neko had just done, but he says nothing about neko.
I still have a lot of reading to do, but right now I'm leaning toward a scum team of darth, neko and zed.
vote: Darth
