Yeah but.SpyreX wrote:He said clearly he knew the role and it would be confirmable. Further, he's knowledgeable enough to know if he's attempting a suicide missionto make it clear.
This may be as clear as Xtomx could get.
Yeah but.SpyreX wrote:He said clearly he knew the role and it would be confirmable. Further, he's knowledgeable enough to know if he's attempting a suicide missionto make it clear.
I still don't think you're being very fair, Spy. I mean, sure, that was a big part of the vote, but you make it sound like I never talked about werewolf before or after that point. That isn't the case.Spy 1616 wrote:No. You said, and it was "Farside found this thing. Hence, vote."
Kmd's heart is in the right place, I think, but he's doing himself a disservice to be so aggressive in his description of Xtoxm's reads. It just cannot be the primary factor weighing in on our lynch today. I thought it could earlier today, but it's apparent Xtoxm did not play an optimal Hider game this game. Heck, the living players are basically cut in half between townreads and neutral/scumreads. We can basically rule it down to 4 or 5 likely players he hid behind if he kept the same strategy of hiding behind "town" players, but, I mean, you're still not really moving forward with that.Kmd 1639 wrote:You guys are really going to make me spell this out.
-Xtoxm gave a town/scum list. He said ONLY TOWN order was relevant. Inhim was at the VERY BOTTOM in towniness.
-Xtoxm said he went after someone who he thought was town and wouldn't be NKd. Inhim was at the BOTTOM of his town list.
-Xtoxm later shows some support for an Inhim lynch, someone who was just on his TOWN list.
Why not? He wasn't particularly motivated, he gave off vibes of not being in the game for the long run.SpyreX wrote:No way in hell is that clear if he was trying to commit suicide on one of his scum reads - us.
NO.RedCoyote wrote:In other words, if Xtoxm is to have an impact on our lynch at all, we should lynch someone from the town side of his reads.
like seriously what the hell how is this guy not strung up yet with things like this floating aroundRedCoyote wrote:I just don't know if it's worth kicking you over this though. In the past, if I had a scumread on you, it would really be a confident one. The Xtoxm issue and the apathy issue are sort of clouding that right now, but, ugh, I'm still really leaning on a townread for you.
I think Kmd's reading something that isn't there.Cyberbob wrote:kmd is reaching waaaay too hard with these crumb reads tbqh. then again I've never really "gotten" the whole breadcrumbing thing so maybe I'm just not the best at spotting them either
Korlash wrote:Poker wrote:Given how hard xtoxm went at spyreX he is a possible option for where xtoxm went. And another option I see would be Korlash as Xtoxm may have hid with him for the same reasons he hid with yabba before. I think I'll check them both out and see if either had a connection to CKD
that's a bit of a stretch there poker... Unless you're saying he made a choice based on limited reading last night as well. I would think after being in he game for a full day he wouldn't have had to resort to the same tactic. Given the fact he claimed so readily and that he identified himself as "weak cop" i don't particularly think he was interested in self survival or townie hunting.
And you guys know I'm down with the Spy wagon... Just not going to put a dude at L-1 without letting him speak first... against my lovable and caring nature.
Korlash wrote:As much as I hate to butt in here, his reasons for picking a townie person was simply because he had to make a decision at a moments notice. The way he said it implied that would not have been the way he would choose a target had he been given more time.Yabba wrote:No, I don't buy that RC. Xtoxm clearly laid out that he had, and therefore probably would, go down the tactics of picking the Towniest person he thought would not die.Thinking he would choose a target last night under the same logic he used the first night would be retarded on our part.Add in his attitude toward the game he showed yesterday, and its highly likely he would have picked someone he thought was scum. he seemed bored, almost outright tired with the game.I wouldn't be surprised if he choose a target with the expected outcome to be his own death and subsequent removal from the game.
Sure I'd love to believe he played the role trying to confirm town, but that wouldn't match up with what he said and the implications he gave yesterday.
it's not blatant in terms of contradiction but it feels like a *twitch*.Korlash wrote:I have to ask, is Xtoxm is the player to use his role for his own interest or for the interest of the town?I only remember playing with him once or twice, but he never struck me as the player who wouldn't try to at least help out with his role (Even if he was bored with the game). Like for instance, if you do want to use your role to confirm town, wouldn't it be better to confirm players the majority of people have problems with? I mean look at the names on his town list, Dutch, CKD, Kmd all fairly popular in the possible scum categories. It would make more sense to target someone like Dutch and prove him town then target me and prove me town. hell, it's just as likely he targeted CKD as he targeting me if he was using his list. On it's own, there's really no way to distinguish between those two.
The important things with the crumbs is that anything made before he actually claimed is sorta moot. Him claiming had to change his game plan so even if the "order is relevant" was intended to be a crumb. No guarantee he followed up on it after he claimed. (Also, it might have simply been the crumb to inform us he targeted yabba, not even intended to be a crumb for future targets.) All in all, I think everyone is reaching when it comes to who Xtoxm might have targeted and I'm not seeing the benefit in it.
I actually did think it sounded a might contradicting when i first wrote it, hence the "()" part I added to it. I don't think Xtoxm was interested in continuing to play, but I still think he would put the town's best interest above his boredom. I've also been slowly looking into how I think a hider should work. My first two quotes were made when I was under the impression a hider would seek out scum. While I still think it's dumb to town hunt, I do see the merit in using it to weed out suspects. So While I don't think he would have targeted a person he thought was town, I do think he may have targeted a person he thought was town if that person was also a suspect of others. This would allow him to accomplish the apparent goal of a hider while potentially clearing a major player making future scum hunting endeavors easier.? wrote:it's not blatant in terms of contradiction but it feels like a *twitch*.
yup, I'm very adamant that I wasn't his target... But only because it doesn't make sense. I'm not big on illogical assumptions. Don't get me wrong, I love taking leaps of fate. But there's too much you would have to ignore to even think he targeted me. And it's not the twist, it's the Charleston. Trust me, twisting in a chair behind a desk in a tiny office loft is not nearly as impressive as what I've been doing. Give me the credit earned pal...? wrote:Korlash kind of twists around whenever mentioned as a possible hider target.
i don't see why it's any big drama other than that it's pretty solid confirmation that we don't really know each other that well and you certainly don't know me well enough to make the kind of call that's backing your voteWeatherman wrote:fuck. well i knew this would eventually happen. blame it on the fever.