Mini 1138 - Candy Zoo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Amrun]

Yeah, but I'm not sure scum would have known enough to ask that question.

Also I have personally killed vezok for rolefishing before and he turned up town.

[ToastyToast]

Yeah, but I'm not sure scum would have known enough to ask that question.
Also I have personally killed vezok for rolefishing before and he turned up town.

And so we should ignore it? My point is that people are calling him town regardless of his gameplay. I understand if its meta, but it doesn't stay like that EVERY TIME and should not be used to immediately call him town.

[Amrun]

I am not calling him unequivocal town.

But for day one, I don't want him lynched. I feel like I need more information.

I also think the reason he asked that question because the part of my role PM I revealed would logically lead to the question vezok asked.

[Morthas]

Other than the "Game thread is here" and "Reply to this PM to confirm" it's pretty spot on.

TS's role claim is my role. Thar.

...Or did I already say this? I've been having some trouble in-between my games...

Just saying I might not have time to really think about what's going tonight. I have/am walking home from track, so I read through the thread. I will say that TS's defense looks like something a normal Scum would make. But even if he is Scum isn't exactly the most normal Scum.

Now someone tell me HOW can you even suspect TS after confirming his PM to be EXACTLY AS YOURS
It's either he lied for no freaking reason or he is scum, and the current mindset here says he deserves a lynch.

[crazypianist1116]

Other than the "Game thread is here" and "Reply to this PM to confirm" it's pretty spot on.

TS's role claim is my role. Thar.

...Or did I already say this? I've been having some trouble in-between my games...

Just saying I might not have time to really think about what's going tonight. I have/am walking home from track, so I read through the thread. I will say that TS's defense looks like something a normal Scum would make. But even if he is Scum isn't exactly the most normal Scum.

Now someone tell me HOW can you even suspect TS after confirming his PM to be EXACTLY AS YOURS
It's either he lied for no freaking reason or he is scum, and the current mindset here says he deserves a lynch.

This is essentially what I'm thinking. Zyrc, if you don't like my vote, then you need to say what you don't like about it. I see both Hazard and TS as scummy. After thinking about it for a while, both is unlikely but possible. Hazard's sudden flip on TS struck me that something was wrong.

crazypianist has a good point. So do you think Hazard or TS is lying? I think a town role that steals ingredients is plausible, but also something to look out for given Amrun's PM info.

I feel Hazard is lying. TStown => Hazardscum but I can't say anything about what a Hazard flip means.

[Morthas]

If Hazard by any chance flipped town then it would mean he was a stupid townie, very very stupid townie

[Charlie]

Vote count 10

Twistedspoon (5) - Amrun, Nobody Special, Hazard with a Glove, Hoppster, vezokpiraka
Zyrconium (3) - Stels, mb53, ToastyToast
Hazard with a Glove (2) - crazypianist1116, Morthas
mb53 (1) - Kalofer
ToastyToast (1) - Twistedspoon
crazypianist1116 (1) - Zyrconium

Not voting: No one!
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is Wednesday, 30th March at 1030 hours (GMT-5), a little more than a week from now.

[Kalofer]

refer to my previous posts to see why i think amrun is town, I'm pretty sure I explained it well enough.
I see morth as scumhunting and he doesn't strike me as having scum vibes, stels is a garbage-spewing idiot but who because of his garbage seems town and vezok because in the words of morth: "I feel like it".

[Morthas]

How dare ye misquote me! I have valid reasons to believe vezok is town ;o

[vezokpiraka]

We have to lynch TS today. If we don't we'll double cross ourselves later saying TS is scum and stuff like that.

Deadline is in a week.

[Twistedspoon]

We have to lynch TS today. If we don't we'll double cross ourselves later saying TS is scum and stuff like that.

let me try my PR ability out tonight. At least I can do something during the night phase to help us.

hasn't hazard claimed the same role as me anyways?

[vezokpiraka]

Hazard is voting you. He thinks you are scum.

Also if you are scum letting you live is the worst thing we could do.

[Twistedspoon]

TS's role claim is my role.

so the either both hazard and I are scum or none of us are

and i know i'm not

[Morthas]

@Vezok: Please shush, disagree with you completely. What do you think of Hazard and my accusations of him?
@TS: YES I HAVE POINTED IT OUT SEVERAL TIMES, if you are still unconvinced, go post #528 (9 flippin' posts before yours) where i have quoted him claiming

[Twistedspoon]

I was just showing it to vezok :/

[Zyrconium]

I feel Hazard is lying. TStown => Hazardscum but I can't say anything about what a Hazard flip means.

You can't say anything?

Unvote Vote: Hazard with a Glove

When he flips scum let's lynch TS mmmkay?

But more relevantly,

Who on the TS wagon thinks Hazard is inno?

[Amrun]

I think he could be, but I'm honestly confused.

It could be a good townbuddy move for scum.

It could also be a scum attempting to save a partner.

It could also be town vouching for scum who claimed his ability.

Hazard doesn't have enough content for me to pick which.

[Hazard with a Glove]

@morthas I can read that, you know.
Also ts , pleading to use your or tonight is pointless if its the one you claimed because I have it. I could use it instead.

The reason I am voting ts is lal. Now I personally do think it is ok toie in some cases, like protecting PRs. But TS wad not doing that. He was bot backed into a corner, but instead told a lie when it is completely necessary if he is town.

[Morthas]

FAAAAAACK, my browser crashed and there go my 10 minutes of typing /headesk x 1000/

It could also be town vouching for scum who claimed his ability.

Impossible since TS claimed before anyone mentioned anything about being a zoo visitor other than the name itself and somehow guesses it ''spot on'' according to Hazard himself (fun fact, he is voting him)

The possibilities of Hazard saying ''spot on'' :
1) Saving a townie who he has confirmed 100%( ) and goes to the length of claiming to prevent a mislynch
2) Scum trying to PR claim in order to stay alive because he KNOWS it must be true
TS: a confirmed townie or Hazard having a rough day + @Amrun: So which out of the 2 possibilities left suggest Hazard as town?

What the hell is this lal policy? YOU HAVE CONFIRMED HIS ROLE + ALLINGMENT how can you even consider him being scum?
The fact that Hazard is voting for TS is making me think about his motivations and those do not comply with number 1)
Well there is of course the possibility of Hazard getting amnesia and forgetting that he confirmed Ts being town

Last thing before bed:
Everyone who is voting TS, please answer Zyrc's question

[Amrun]

I'm honestly confused. LAL really should NOT apply to TS according to Hazard, and yet it is...

I think Hazard is probably scum.

Ugh. These two players' claims are mindfucking me.

[Hoppster]

Amrun: town, I don't think scum would start such an original wagon as amrun did after TS claimed town, knowing that (if amrun was scum) TS would flip town.

amrun who can now be said to be a proven townie

@ Kalofer: Is this it?

Your phrasing, 'proven townie', surely suggests something more along the lines of a bona-fide confirmed townie. You're willing to call somebody a

proven townie

based on conjecture?

Anyway, what exactly makes it an 'original wagon', when it went to L-1 with intent to hammer?

Furthermore, you're insinuating that because TS claimed town, scum are less likely to push the wagon. This I find quite frankly ridiculous. Nobody is going to claim scum. So basically, you're generalising to "scum don't push wagons post-claim". Really?

FoS: Kalofer

Far too eager to express Amrun as proven townie.


@ Hazard: Are you voting because Twisted's lie makes you think he's scum or just because he's lying?

because at the time you never said why you didn't want vezok's question answering :/

Next, don't lynch TS. Just don't, it WILL be a mislynch.

I have my reasons.

So it's suspicious if I have mysterious reasons, but if Hazard doesn't, it's okay, because he's defending you?
And also, can't you figure out my reasons?


Also:

Firstly, how the hell did you get over your whole 'HOPPSTER IS SCUM THING'?

Ahem.

AHEM.

Answer this please.

Still this.


@ Zyrc: I'll answer that once I've got back answers from Twisted and Hazard.

[Hoppster]

@ TS: If you cannot guess my reasons, please answer the following FULLY:

Do evil people want to know your goodies?

Add clarification is you feel it is necessary to ensure your answer is TOTALLY unambiguous.

[Zyrconium]

Let me try another tactic then, if I'm to fight role PMs, I'll do it with role PMs

Crossreferencing:
1)

My PM says that "evil people" are after my goodies.

2)

Do evil people

want to know

your goodies?

want to know

and supporting candidate:

Yeah, but I'm not sure scum would have known enough to ask that question.

To give vezok's statement some chance of being related to a role PM.

and 3) The VT PM in the OP(to prove that most of us have goodies of a sort).

It can be assumed that the scum want SPECIFIC goodies.....

Why then does the TS's role PM state:

Apparently If i get enough of the goodies I can make something from them, I don't know what yet.

enough

And if this isn't true, why is this statement, above all else the statement he changed?

FUCKING LAWYERED!

[Hazard with a Glove]

@Hoppster: I think TS' lie makes him look like scum.

[Twistedspoon]

@Hoppster: I think TS' lie makes him look like scum.

i lied to make it seem as though I wasn't a PR

mafia kill PRs

@ TS: If you cannot guess my reasons, please answer the following FULLY:

Do evil people want to know your goodies?

Add clarification is you feel it is necessary to ensure your answer is TOTALLY unambiguous.

perhaps, but only if they can get hold of them
townies like me would want to know where they can get goodies too though