Square Enix Mafia Gaiden: The Outsiders (Game Over)

[Riceballtail]

Daykill: Nero Cain

People should still vote Nero Cain, just in case this isn't real.

It isn't.

Maybe if you had a Hanyuu avatar instead?

[GhostWriter]

If this:

Thus why I'd like for this lynch to hurry up and proceed so that we have some wagon analysis to use to get the rest of you into the game.

Why this?

I will give you this: I did not like Diddin's jump off of the wagon.

If you just want to lynch absolutely anyone, why hate on 1st day wagon hoppers?

Do we have any antifinity-scum doubters left at this point?

Just looked at his iso. Wasn't really considering him scum, just cautious town trying to understand why someone would push for a D1 lynch so early. Until the iso refuted that.

[Antifinity]

Alright, now I'm really confused. Other than disagree with this rushed lynch, what have I done to seem scummy? You mad I'm the only one trying to stop this?

[popsofctown]

Daykill: Nero Cain

People should still vote Nero Cain, just in case this isn't real.

It isn't.

Maybe if you had a Hanyuu avatar instead?

That probably would be more effective. But Satoko's my favorite, I just had an easier time finding a Rika pic way back when.

I finally found a decent Satoko avatar though. If Hanyuu makes daykills work I figure this ought to give me PGO powers
<<<

[GhostWriter]

I just said I didn't have a problem with what you were doing UNTIL reading your iso. Early on, you talk about D1 being "essentially just an appeasement to the cold mathematical logic that if we don't lynch anyone, we're letting the scum win". We had a lot of similar views on things, except I want to lynch someone who has talked, and you want to lynch someone who hasn't. This could mean that you're scum going for people who haven't said much and aren't on your team, and are trying to use both "cold mathematical logic" as well as a Lynch All Lurker-esque method to get an easy town lynch. It could mean that you'd rather just get people you find useless out of the way. I don't know, but I don't really like it when I'm being attacked for sharing similar views as someone, but a different end result. And that same person is also admittedly not scum-hunting when I am. And they only target people who aren't here, for being useless, coincidentally also making them useless.

[Antihero]

Alright, now I'm really confused. Other than disagree with this rushed lynch, what have I done to seem scummy? You mad I'm the only one trying to stop this?

If you were really trying to stop the train, you'd be yelling at the engineer, not a random passengar.

[GhostWriter]

I resent that. I have my own reasons for being on here. Of that group that all joined it, I had separate reasons from the rest, and I feel mine were the best.

[Antihero]

I meant "random" in the sense that you aren't exactly the driving force behind this wagon. You going to argue that one with me?

Then I realized that anti's vote is on fate still, but that hasn't exactly been that well explained or pursued, so whatever.

[GhostWriter]

So long as I get first class and a steak dinner, I suppose.

[Bunnylover]

LURKING IS WHAT I DO.
I hate myself for the amount of lurking that I am doing and the amount that you guys are allowing me to do.
A little confused on the Antifinity v Ghostwriter debate their having, probably going to reread it again to understand it.
My vote is doing nothing but sitting their at the moment.
Nero Cain been failing around a lot since my last post. His post of him trying to defend himself from the attackers are pretty much, "NO YOU, YOU LIED."
I also didn't notice till Fate pointed out that Nero Cain has totally disappeared o.o. Given up more then likely after his attacks of trying to discredit his attackers have failed.

Unvote: Jedo
Vote: Nero Cain

Thats L-1 correct?

[Antihero]

^also scum

NC hasn't posted anywhere on site, BTW.

[Dry-fit]

Not hammering without a claim. I think we should give him until midnight before lynching.

[Antifinity]

Dry-fit, I'm going to pretend you're joking. We're nowhere near the deadline, why is this being rushed???

[GhostWriter]

I dislike the idea of nero scum, considering he does have a valid point or am i missing something?

What valid point?

I swear, this question seems so familiar... Oh, wait, that's right:

Tell me the valid point, in your own words.

Still waiting on that one...

Wait, you're calling him scum for the fact that he's using caps?

Also, if you know that this isn't town-Fate, then it's scum-Fate. The problem is that unless you read it as scum-Fate, then it absolutely can be town-Fate. You're simply looking at him as a bully because you see caps. How about looking at the target. Give me your read on him. Give me your assessment of the cases against him.

Also, explain how Fate is acting different than in other games. You've pulled the meta-card, I'm gonna make you nut up or shut up on it. Tell me how it's different and provide me with games to use as an example.

I really would like to have Ender answer these before we end the day. Also, if a person isn't anywhere on the site, I doubt giving a midnight deadline for their claim will be effective.

[popsofctown]

Not hammering without a claim. I think we should give him until midnight before lynching.

If there is similar levels of competency throughout the town, things might be safer with an unvote..

[Dry-fit]

Dry-fit, I'm going to pretend you're joking. We're nowhere near the deadline, why is this being rushed???

Actually I have no intention of hammering him if he doesn't post by that deadline. But with several people calling for Nero's blood even without a claim I'm worried someone is just going to go ahead and hammer.

[Antihero]

It's already page 17 for pete's sake!

How slow do you all want to go?

[Kdub]

Vote Count

Chronopie (0)

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Dry-fit (0)

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Bunnylover (0)

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PranaDevil (1)

- Katsuki

bristep123 (0)

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Nero Cain (13)

- diddin, mothrax, Fate, Antihero, GhostWriter, Chronopie, bill1148, Iecerint, PranaDevil, Fritzler, Maemuki, vezokpiraka, Bunnylover

Iecerint (0)

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vezokpiraka (0)

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Katsuki (0)

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Meransiel (0)

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popsofctown (0)

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ender241 (0)

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Jedo the Jedi (3)

- Meransiel, Untrod Tripod, Riceballtail

diddin (5)

- Dry-fit, LynchMePls, Jedo the Jedi, DeathRowKitty, Nero Cain

mothrax (0)

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Riceballtail (0)

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Antifinity (1)

- popsofctown

LynchMePls (0)

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Untrod Tripod (0)

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Maemuki (0)

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Fritzler (0)

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bill1148 (0)

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GhostWriter (0)

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Fate (2)

- ender241, Antifinity

DeathRowKitty (0)

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Antihero (0)

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No Lynch (0)

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Not Voting (1)

- bristep123

26 votes available, 14 votes needed to lynch.

Deadline is April 11, ~ 11 pm PDT.

[ender241]

I still don't understand the "Nero Cain voting thing", anyone mind filling me in?
UNVOTE: though as i think people have made the point on that.

[GhostWriter]

He's not gonna do it...

[Antifinity]

It's already page 17 for pete's sake!

How slow do you all want to go?

I'd like to at least

hear

from some of the players, for Pete's sake. This is just going to motivate lurkers to post less, if they know they can get away with it by letting lynch-leaders get all flustered and frustrated.

[GhostWriter]

Guys, he's right. Fuck cases. Fuck reads. Everyone, off the wagon. We need to go after some lurkers. Let's vote them to force them to talk about the game. Of course, with everyone trying to motivate lurkers instead of providing things for them to read and comment on, they won't really have anything to talk about... But don't worry, it'll work out! After that, why don't we play spin the bottle, only instead of kissing who it lands on, we can lynch them! After all, day one is cold mathematical calculation that there has to be a lynch or it benefits scum, so there's no need to scum hunt. Nope, no scum hunting. Let's focus only on people who aren't here and not on those that are. Oh, except people who yell. Yelling is mean. Not a scumtell. Just mean.

[PranaDevil]

Not

everyone

was fence-sitting. My point. But I disgress. I'll withhold my vindication for the time being, since this may be a common practice for bristep.

Still, my main emphasis (and I think you misread this) was not so much on bristep specifically as it was on the fact that you said that fence-sitting was not a valid tell on THIS SITE, which is completely inaccurate.

Agreed, not everyone fence sits. Myself (Mike Castle) and Nexus rarely have a wandering vote. But a lot of the others do nothing at all with their votes for much of the game.

Also, it ISN'T a valid tell, for a variety of reasons:
1 - Player is new to this site and could be used to playing that way.
2 - Player is new to mafia in general and thinks it would be wrong to vote too often.
3 - Player is a bit dim and has yet to learn that voting is good information on this site.
4 - Player unvoted and is in the process of checking his thoughts/the current votes to see if s/he should vote.

That's just off the top of my head. Obviously if you know a player's style well enough and know they only unvote without re-voting when they're scum, then it's a valid tell. It's automatically not valid for any game thereafter the second anyone points out why it's a tell, because that player also now knows to avoid doing it. So really, it's not all that valid to begin with.

[GhostWriter]

That would be what I meant in 386.

[Nero Cain]

I am Umaro from Final Fantasy VI. I am a bodyguard.