Ghostlin wrote:King, answer me this. If I and Mer were so scummy you had to point out our blantant rolefishing (and I'll note again, since you're deaf to this, all I did was point to a fallacy (?) in Dazzy's reasoning that he said Mer was the Doctor) why didn't you vote at all Day 2? You tunnelled me for the entire day and didn't cast a single vote on anyone. You almost entirely attempted to keep your hands utterly clean of the Mer lynch while accusing me and not voting.
MULTI-POST-ULTIMATE-COMBO-MATIC-MACHINEGhostlin wrote:
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Yes, I was hoping Mer was scum and picked the wrong role to claim. In a 2 Goons setup, that is entirely possible.
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Two goons? Oh, I wonder how you know there isn't a roleblocker, hmm?
Because I didn't get Charlie's post yet, obvscum. If Charlie is telling the truth, and I believe he is
since unlike you, I have an innocent on him,
there is in fact a RB and he did draw Mer the first day.
As for the 2 Goons assertion, up until Charlie claimed, I didn't know there was a doctor in the setup, I was kinda guessing since I though Mer was scum at the time, he'd fakeclaim my role and I'd counterclaim. What I meant there, misrepping scumtard, is that if there's a setup with two Goons in it, there's a 50% chance that scum chooses a role that is not occupied by another player. (You even ADMIT THIS in #417, so you know EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.) If you weren't tunnelling so ferciously, you'd know that in your brain of yours or reading the first post that Vel made.
Bluntly, I have nothing to hide: you know as well as I do that you had
no reason for not voting
Day 2. Mer was already a scum suspect, if the vote count of Day 1 was to be believed, but you never went back to him. I imagine you were pissed because he claimed a PR and you couldn't get him to L-1 to claim which one we had, so you went to your next obvious suspect, me, making my hammer look scummy and selectively ignoring the reasons why I cast it in the first place. You also ignored the fact that you had threatened, the beginning of Day 1 to cast TS's hammer, and only stopped when I pointed out that looked horrensously scummy, with less reasons than I, so you're entire case on that hammer is scummy and moot. The rest of the posts you've made are so full of WIFOM and rhetoric we might choke on it.
Thing is, you could only get one vote, so you decided not to ride that wagon to keep your hands clean of the Mer mislynch. (Vc's, end of Day 1 and Day 2).
Should I quote your post where you were willing to lynch TS on Page 6 or 7?
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1. Wrong. You didn't point it out as a fallacy, you accused Dazzy of being scummy and then procceded to ignore him as scummy (or anything at all actually) for the entire remainder of the day. I have said this before already, and you have ignored it.
2. I already gave reasons in Day 2 why I didn't vote. To wit: I wanted to know how close Mer was to being lynched before I voted (accidental hammers stink and I wanted to push you that day as well), and then I just didn't want to hammer him since I was busy accusing you. Oh yeah, and I pretty much only got two posts out before Mer got hammered on Day 2. That
might just
have had something to do with me not voting anyone.
3. OH BOY LOOK AT THIS TUNNELING ON GHOSTLIN:
KingTwelveSixteen wrote:...
Meransiel wrote:Ghostlin wrote:@Mer: Full claim. Targets. Now.
Quite simple, really. First, no, I did not target anyone. Actually, I false claimed day 1 to limit the format a bit. Also, to protect the real power roles, if any. I'm Vanilla Townie.
Here's the deal: if I died, it means the mafia doesn't have a rolebloker. But I'm alive, so it's obvious they do.
Now, having that there exists a mafia rolebloker, there are 2 possible settings: no PR or 2 PR.
Charlie's posts look like those of a cop to me, and I guess he is so sure I'm scum he didn't even bother to investigate, so I won't ask.
Also,
Vote: Ghostlin
for hammering.
1. SO SUSPICIOUS. Lying about being a PR is severely scummy.
2. Nice job just making the "Dazzy could be cop" thing so blatantly in-your-face that nobody could miss it even if they tried. Such a townie move there.
3. Mafia could have let you live you try and get you mislynched even if they don't have a roleblocker, I've seen something similiar happen before.
4. Why are you saying that if he is Cop he didn't investigate you? I don't see any way a townie mindset would come up with this, the only way I see that being true is if you are scum, so you know he didn't investigate you because he isn't pushing you like everyone else.
Meransiel wrote:That's not the point, really. Just, blast this site for not having an edit button.
The point IS, that your likeliness of being cop combined with the fact that there must be a doctor, which has been hardly represented, leads to this conclusion: no power roles, at all.
If you wanna lynch me, fine, but do note that if I die, you guys will enter lylo. This is not Appeal to Emotion, it's the goddamned truth
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Stop PR fishing! And that is still an AtE, regardless of whether or not you are town. (The site doesn't have an edit button because if it did people could edit away anything scummy they do.)
Meransiel wrote:tclawren wrote:Oh my God. Meransiel, do you think that your softclaim actually helped the town?
Why are you so sure there is a RB? Why couldn't (if we accept you are not maf) the maf just decide to WIFOM anyway?
And by the even if it is the truth it's still AtE.
Charlie: I don't understand your cop/cat thing. But that just might because I'm tired.
Of course I'm sure. And no, no sane mafia would risk keeping me alive. Case in point, there is a roleblocker.
Also, you saying that sounds like you're accusing me of playing poorly, basically, as a townie. So, pretty much "I'm lynching you because you bring no benefit to the town." Question, and a lylo does?
tclawren isn't voting you.
We don't know if there is a roleblocker for sure yet, as tclawren says right there.
AtEEEeeee
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I also said some stuff about Charlie as well.
4. Wait, I am suddenly confused. Are you saying you were using the "2 goons" thing as something from day 2/1 or are you saying it happened day 3? I'm not really sure which you are claiming.
5. Oh boy, pointing out loudly that you got an innocent on Charlie even though we all know you claimed as much and there was no reason to do so. Except for buddying up to a townie of course.
6. "What I meant there, misrepping scumtard" "If you weren't tunnelling so ferciously, you'd know that in your brain of yours or reading the first post that Vel made." That would hurt my feelings if you weren't scum. *sniff*
Oh, and FYI to all newbies: Now that Ghostlin and me are in a vote-off in LyLo one of us
has
to be scum or the scum would have quicklynched and won the game already.
Especially
since he claimed cop with a guilty on me. Me trying to push someone that
isn't
Ghostlin in this situation except as his partner would be utterly insane.
7. Hahaha, this paragraph (the fourth) is so incredibly wrong, it gets a list-within-a-list:
a) I totally had a reason for not voting day 2, not the least of which being that I didn't get the chance to post much due to my horrible sleeping/checking mafiascum.net patterns around that time.
b) You are stating this as if you have accused my not voting day-2 of being scummy in previous posts and I weaseled out of it. This is the first mention of such an accusation as far as I can remember.
c) And you have selectively ignored my big reason I called the hammer scummy - it stopped people from being able to comment on Mer's claim - this whole time in favor of saying that TS deserved to be hammered. Whether that is true or not is irrelevant to my accusation of that being a bad hammer as I
never
used that as even a
part
of my argument against your hammer. In fact the only thing I said on the subject was that you were to unconcerned when he flipped town. So much misrep here.
d)
When
exactly, did this bit about me being angry I couldn't get him to L-1 so I instead pushed you happen at? During day 2? Impossible, Mer had already revealed his fakeclaim by then. Day 1? Also impossible, you ended the day before I had a chance to push you.
e) HA!
stopped me from hammering TS? I could have
sworn
that it was Forseti who did so and that this is just a blatant lie you came up with in order to get townie points.
f) So why don't you point out which points of mine are just WIFOM and rhetoric? And why havn't you mentioned it before? I don't recall you ever doing so. Ctrl+F and his good buddy ISO agree with me almost completly. The only other place you accuse me of rhetoric involves you using it to once again refuse to say something about my actual Re:Dazzy-cop-fishing accusation.
8. The reason the vote-count analysis of day 1 says I was still on the Mer wagon is because you hammered early. I have already said earlier in this post why I didn't get on the Mer wagon early day 2 as well, I didn't want to hammer him yet do that I could push you more.
9. I have thought of Dazzy as obvtown since day 1.
). Otherwise I'll have something up tomorrow.