Execution Mafia GAMEOVER!

Tragedy · Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:59 am

Who did charter vote last night?
Either Exe or FF, if I was reading his posts.

Exe · Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:15 am

Haschel wrote:Final Fires (2+1 or 2): Setael, Amrun, Ant_to_the_max
Umbrage (1): StrungOver

If Satael, TS, and Exe are telling the truth, then FF would have received the kill Night 1. This did not happen. Therefore, at least one of those three is lying.

Hypothetically, let's assume that one person who claims to have voted for FF is scum and actually voted for Amrun:

Amrun (3): Umbrage, scum
Final Fires (4+1 or 2): Setael, Amrun, Ant_to_the_max, town, town
Umbrage (1): StrungOver

If TWO people who claimed to have voted for FF are scum, then that makes 5 votes for Amrun vs. either 4 or 5 votes for FF. That's not enough to get a majority if Amrun is scum, but it is enough if Amrun is town.

Therefore, either Amrun is town and two out of (Setael,TS,Exe) are scum or Amrun lied when she said that she voted for FF. If the former, then Exe is almost certainly running some sort of gambit today/last night.

Now let's assume the lie. This makes Amrun scum. FF has two votes, Amrun has one vote, and some other non-Amrun player has two votes. We're still looking for two scum to vote for Amrun, but now the field is open. Out of the set (Setael,TS,Exe,charter,Tragedy,Haschel), two people are lying about their votes. Which two? I think Tragedy has given odd choices for her night choices; me and TS. I would choose Tragedy for my primary choice of Amrunpartner. charter and I voted for each other, likely for similar reasons, and charter voting for me is a move that I honestly believe he made, so he's out. You'll have to decide for yourself if my vote made sense (hint: it does). We're down to Satael, TS, and Exe again, only this time only one of them is scum. Reading the Sateal/Amrun interaction, I don't feel that they are scumbuddies.

You neglect to mention that some of the people who DIDN'T vote FF could also be lying.
If 1 person on the FF wagon was lying, but 2 of the OTHER people were scum who voted Amrun, Amrun would have won.

The fact that Haschel made this entire post but did not bring up the possibility that makes HIM scum, is a HUGE scumtell. Haschel just moved WAY up on my scumlist

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Also, the fact that Amrun recieved the night kill Night 1 is what has made me question my scum-read on her. She NEEDS all 3 scum votes to top the FF wagon, so I don't think she is prob-scum, unless both TS and Setael are lying about voting FF.

I'd bet that the scum-team is Haschel, TS, {Tragedy/Charter}

Day kill should be either TS or Haschel.

Exe · Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:18 am

Also, @Haschel: don't try to claim that you discussed the possibility. You brought it up and IMMEDIATELY said you and Charter were probably not lying. You have put all the pressure on people to believe that the scum must lie almost entirely on the claimed FF votes.
OH and that part where he says that both he and Charter's votes make sense probably means that if Haschel is scum, Charter is town. Just sayin.

Setael · Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:51 am

I thought that at first but then realized his post is just coming from a town perspective. A townie wouldn't consider the possibility that they're scum or that they're lying because they know it's not true. He could be faking that, but I didn't get that impression.

Setael · Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:52 am

Exe, what do you think of TS' posts accusing me of bussing amrun? I'd like everyone's opinion on these actually.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:52 am

I said I wouldn't rule out the possiblity of one being scum if the other flipped town.

but if you guys read it differently then i am powerless to change that

Amrun · Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:44 pm

I just remembered Exe's "execution" of me that also failed.

Care to explain?

Ant_to_the_max · Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2011 7:42 pm

Forgot the 3DS was coming out this weekend, so that has made my life a bit more difficult then I would have liked.

From D2 I had a town vibe from Seteal. While I firmly believed that it was scum trying to bus Amrun for doing their dirty work, I felt like Seteal was a townie on that wagon. TS and SO were pushing for that lynch in a scummier fashion.

As to the stunt Exe pulled, that would be fake daykill #2 and a massclaim suggestion. Now, I have been thinking about it, and numerically it would help us. But then you add in how this game works and that throws the numbers right out the window and could end up screwing the town up badly. (seeing as how this could be LyLo situation for town).

Then everyone else I really need to go back and see if I can fit things together. I'm positive there is something we are missing. I also have to give those posts with the votecounts a better look and really read them from the other person's perspective.

As for night votes tonight:
If we hit scum, all town can vote for me and we can keep the night kill. (assuming there is no scum PR we are unaware of)
If we hit town, it has to be someone other than me so we can draw the votes. (assuming there is no scum PR we are unaware of)

Exe · Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:40 am

Hey, hey. Daykill nmber 2 wasn't fake. I was legitimately trying to use my daykill. However, it failed as you had already been elected Executioner.

Massclaim suggestion is NOT bad. How are you trying to spin that as somehow dangerous?
If there was EVER a game where massclaims were good, it's one where the kills are at least somewhat predictable.

Do you really think I would somehow fake a daykill as scum for absolutely no reason? Come on.

Tragedy · Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:05 am

Exe wrote:
Hey, hey. Daykill nmber 2 wasn't fake. I was legitimately trying to use my daykill. However, it failed as you had already been elected Executioner.

This was for Day 1 or 2?
If it was Day 2, then you're out of your mind.

Exe · Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:42 am

Tragedy wrote:
Exe wrote:
Hey, hey. Daykill nmber 2 wasn't fake. I was legitimately trying to use my daykill. However, it failed as you had already been elected Executioner.
This was for Day 1 or 2?
If it was Day 2, then you're out of your mind.

I'm talking about what JUST happened. What are you even asking?

Day 1 I made a fake daykill.

Today, I tried to use my ACTUAL ROLE. However, it doesn't work if there's already an Executioner.

Notice, day 1 I wrote "kill" instead of "execute."

Tragedy · Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2011 8:47 am

Tragedy wrote:SO (5) -
Twistedspoon, Final Fires
, Ant, Tragedy, Amrun
Amrun (3) -
Umbrage, SO,
Setael
Umbrage (1) - Charter

._.

Was this the whole list of whom chose to execute SO yesterday?
Or did I miss some people.

Anyways. Just to place this here.

mallowgeno · Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:13 am

Charter and HC will be prodded if they don't post in-thread by tomorrow morning.

Setael · Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:51 pm

Wow, this place is dead.

TS, Tragedy and Charter are still the scum team.

Ant can't be the one we vote for tonight. We need his 2 votes to make sure we outnumber scum. I would like to nominate myself as night executioner. My preference would be for TS to be the daykill and then Tragedy to be the NK if TS flips scum, and no lynch if TS flips town. Hopefully the FF kill was a 1-shot.

Amrun · Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:36 pm

Yeah, sorry to be the outlier, but I want Exe dead. I don't believe him at all.

Okay with Set being night executioner.

Setael · Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 2:45 am

If exe is scum, who do you think his buddies are? (if TS or Tragedy are on that list then we have a good compromise).

Amrun · Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:53 am

TS for sure, since his (first?) Gambit he used to "clear" TS.

Tragedy remains as scummy as ever so that wouldn't surprise me either. Also, didn't she sheep/trust him early on?

Amrun · Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:55 am

If one of those is wrong, I'd pick charter. If THAT is wrong, I'd pick HC.

Tragedy · Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:36 am

When did I sheep?
But still. . .

charter · Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:51 am

Don't know what we're waiting for. Exe is obv lying about last night, and obv lying about having a daykill.

Tragedy · Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:53 am

Kind of awkward that Amrun did survive yesterday, durr....

Exe · Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:46 am

charter wrote:Don't know what we're waiting for. Exe is obv lying about last night, and obv lying about having a daykill.

Let me live and I can prove I am not lying about having a Daykill. You have no place to state that I am "obv" lying, especially when it can be confirmed.

Twistedspoon · Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:48 am

Exe wrote: Let me live and I can prove I am not lying about having a Daykill.

explain
I am willing to hear you out

Amrun · Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:35 am

Even if you're telling the truth about the daykill, I don't believe you about the nightkill and I think you're scum.

ISO · Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Mon Mar 28, 2011 1:20 pm

Exe is scum. The whole "kill-me-if-I-kill-somebody-tonight" thing followed by a kill feels like a gambit. The daykill thing was posted well after Ant was elected, and the whole "My role PM says it won't work after an executioner is elected but I'm going to try it anyway" reeks of lies, particularly after the fake daykill on Day 1.

As for partners, I think TS is one of them. Two people who claim to have voted for FF are scum, and Setael's post where he changes his mind about Amrun reads genuine. Combined with TS's posting today, we've got a partner.

Tragedy is probably the third.