Open 293 - Donner Party Mafia, Take Two (Game Over)

[DeathRowKitty]

they haven't caught up yet or are waiting for a friend response.

I can't tell if you're serious about this. Please clarify?

surely you'd only want to or need to know if you were the vig, SK or mafioso?

Did you seriously just point out what you perceive to be an above-average chance of someone being vig? >.< Why is ANYONE against this lynch?!?!?!

[Twistedspoon]

they haven't caught up yet or are waiting for a friend response.

I can't tell if you're serious about this. Please clarify?

well Since my recent posts, many players such as Tclaw and Singer haven't posted

so they're either lurking, haven't caught up or V/LA(as in singer's case)

Did you seriously just point out what you perceive to be an above-average chance of someone being vig? >.< Why is ANYONE against this lynch?!?!?!

No, It's an above average chance of someone being SK or mafia.
They're 3 times more likely to be that than vig, so why focus on that?

anyways, I still want chess to answer the question

[DeathRowKitty]

they haven't caught up yet or are waiting for a friend response.

Well, if you were serious about that, add some more scum points. I can't see anyone in your position believing that, whereas it's easy to imagine scum saying that so as not to sound like they're already out of the game.

No, It's an above average chance of someone being SK or mafia.
They're 3 times more likely to be that than vig, so why focus on that?

A player with an above average chance of being mafia/sk and a probability of being vig that's 1/3 the probability of being mafia/sk has an above average chance of being vig. Yes, I'm intentionally just skipping ahead to straight math here by splitting hairs, but a similar logical argument could be made for what you said. I don't know how you could possibly think town could benefit from you pointing out something you think makes him more likely than average to be vig.

[tclawren]

Twisted,
The vig is one of our two prs. You could have just killed him. That is so scummy.
I want you lynched so bad right now.

[Twistedspoon]

you absolute fools

I am the vig

but no, you had to ruin my plan to trap scum

I wouldn't have set up that trap if I wasn't sure he wasn't vig

what sort of fool do you take me for >_>

but hey, you've ruined the plan now, so i might as well claim; I'm on L-1 anyways

I'v breadcrumbed twice

And the fact that you forgot to change your vote in the post...

V

ery well pointed out

i

honestly though I had done, my post makes no sense without it

g

enerally, I don't read my posts after making them, so didn't notice until MOI pointed it out.

i

think freind is rather scummy

l

ane has only played better since I voted for her

a

nd I know I changed my vote to friend in >15 mins. If we're going to catch scum, it's no help pointing out the obvious things which players

n

ow they've done. I wouldn't change my vote so quickly and obviously if I didn't have confidence in doing so.

e

h. apart from the blatantly obvious and my 'miraculously obvious' topic read, I see no reason why I should be today's lynch over the likes of Friend and Andrew

lol vig^^^

I

don't see why you think Drk is vig :/

A

nd why ask if he likes cupcakes anyways?

M

oreover, if Xalxe is an alt, he should reveal his host

And after that you guys mess up my plan to catch scum >_>

whatever; I'm vig'ing Chess tonight anyways unless friend somehow lives

you can blame yourselves,

assuming I'm stupid enough to out our vig

. Even I'm not that daft, and now you've let a possible scum slip away

Actually, I might vig Tclawren for ignoring the part where I refuted his reasoning for his vote on me and then just popping in to point out how stupid he thinks I am

honestly, town needs to notice breadcrumbs and stop assuming things >_>

[DeathRowKitty]

Damn it.

Unvote

If TS isn't vig, real vig shoots him at night. If he doesn't die, he's sk and you shoot him again.

Leaving for a little while. I'll vote when I come back.

[Twistedspoon]

DayVig: Tclawren

any post-game thoughts compadré?

[Twistedspoon]

I still want chess to answer my question though.

[tclawren]

UNVOTE:

THERE'S NO FUCKING DAY VIG!!!!

TWISTED, BREADCRUMBS ARE ONLY HELPFUL AFTER YOU CLAIM. THAT'S THE POINT OF A BREADCRUMB.
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Breadcrumb
SO DON'T BLAME TOWN IF YOU PLAY SCUMMY AND PEOPLE VOTE FOR YOU AND CAUSE YOU TO CLAIM (WHICH NO ONE WAS ASKING YOU TO YET ANYWAY)

I CHOSE TO IGNORE YOUR "DEBUNKING" BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT MY VOTE ONCE, WHICH IS IN YOUR BREADCRUMB. THE LOGIC DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THAT POST.

DON'T BLAME ME FOR VOTING FOR YOUR HORRIBLE SCUMMY PLAY.

[Twistedspoon]

eh, I'll just nightvig you then; you're flailing

and I can blame you for assuming I was outing the vig and ruining my plan; even I'm not mad enough to do that

besides, I was going to have to claim sooner or later, L-1 is dangerous, like chess said

[DeathRowKitty]

I didn't point out the day vig thing in case it was a gambit (also not submitting this post until TS responds to tcl).

tcl is right about the breadcrumb thing. You can't expect town to spot your breadcrumbs unless you also expect scum to find them, in which case you shouldn't be laying them down anyway.

Anyway, leave TS alone the rest of the day. Fake vig claims in open setups have a tendency to sort themselves out at night.

Pre-post Edit: TS, you didn't realize you weren't a day vig?

[andrew94]

erm.
firstly, the supposed 'breadcrumbs' are made after you were at L1 for ages? in fact, they were made yesterday. so yea, anyone can do that.
i am even do this now
violet
indigo
green

am i the vig? i dont think so
td:dr: no cc'ing.

[Twistedspoon]

yeah, course, like I say you guys have low standards of what I do know

It was a chance to make a confirmed townie; I have no daykill

If he'd have believed I had dayvig and said
'oh well I'm dead. I wish the town best of luck' or something along those lines, he'd have become a confirmed townie.

See mini 1130. I become a confirmed townie in that because a player tricked me into thinking I was dead. I then posted my post-game thoughts and I became a confirmed townie

If Tclaw was mafia he certainly missed a trick there.

anyways, thanks for not ruining my second gambit DRK

[Twistedspoon]

erm.
firstly, the supposed 'breadcrumbs' are made after you were at L1 for ages? in fact, they were made yesterday. so yea, anyone can do that.
i am even do this now
violet
indigo
green

am i the vig? i dont think so
td:dr: no cc'ing.

anyone could make a breadcrumb from day 1, page 1

why does it matter when they were made?

[Twistedspoon]

I CHOSE TO IGNORE YOUR "DEBUNKING" BECAUSE YOU TALKED ABOUT MY VOTE ONCE, WHICH IS IN YOUR BREADCRUMB. THE LOGIC DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THAT POST.

I still made sure my logic made sense, hence why my breadcrumb has 'vigilante' spelt wrong

I compromised breadcrumbing for logic

I would never make a post without logic. Like I say, I'm not that daft
That way It'd be an obvious breadcrumb and mafia would know the vig

you haven't thought this through at all have you?

[Twistedspoon]

and I still want chess to answer my question, despite it's entire point being moot now

[tclawren]

So, my being pissed at you makes me scum? Please enlighten me how that makes any sense at all.

If you are really who you say then why are you still on Friend? Why not switch to chesskid? The logic for a possible chesskid lynch coming from your viewpoint actually makes more sense. (basically chess can kill, I am vig Q.E.D. chess is scum. Your case against Friend: He doesn't back up his town reads and does them a lot.) Which case sounds more sound to you?

[tclawren]

erm.
firstly, the supposed 'breadcrumbs' are made after you were at L1 for ages? in fact, they were made yesterday. so yea, anyone can do that.
i am even do this now
violet
indigo
green

am i the vig? i dont think so
td:dr: no cc'ing.

anyone could make a breadcrumb from day 1, page 1

why does it matter when they were made?

Because ideal breadcrumbs are done as early as possible, to prevent people from asking this exact question.

[Twistedspoon]

So, my being pissed at you makes me scum? Please enlighten me how that makes any sense at all.

no, You're only my 3rd weakest townread

I just don't like how you appeared to vote me

dissappered when I tried to discuss your vote

and then re-appered to sheep DRk's outing of my gambit and certain demise had I not claimed

I'm still on friend because I believe him to be scum

I can always Vig chesskid if I want, but it would be unfair to decide on my vig kill now, before the flip and chess answers my question

satisfied? can you see things from my PoV at least?

[andrew94]

yeah, course, like I say you guys have low standards of what I do know

It was a chance to make a confirmed townie; I have no daykill

If he'd have believed I had dayvig and said
'oh well I'm dead. I wish the town best of luck' or something along those lines, he'd have become a confirmed townie.

See mini 1130. I become a confirmed townie in that because a player tricked me into thinking I was dead. I then posted my post-game thoughts and I became a confirmed townie

If Tclaw was mafia he certainly missed a trick there.

anyways, thanks for not ruining my second gambit DRK

fail shit, if he read the rules and said 'o im dead good luck town' then what?
how do u know the difference

[Twistedspoon]

I'd have pressed further had he done so, but now it's irrelevant since he's too clever for his own good.

I perhaps should have chosen chesskid, he evidently didn't read all of the rules

[Twistedspoon]

although he wouldn't have had a chance to reply before my gambit was outed by the next wannabe VI :/

[tclawren]

I disappeared because I was busy and this game wasn't going anywhere, with the small blabbering between people.

And frankly I didn't think your post required a response. It certainly wasn't a convincing argument.

I popped in when I did because that play did, and still does frankly, makes me upset.

In the future it's probably best to keep your mouth shut it if you see something like that. You're the vig, just pop them in the night.

[Twistedspoon]

You're the vig, just pop them in the night.

>_>

That was my plan

but after you guys made me seem so scummy with your assumpitons that I didn't know what I was doing, I had no choice but to claim to prevent a vig lynch

[Twistedspoon]

The good new is that at least the dietician will pick up certain Sk or mafia now that I've claimed vig =D