Cold War Mafia - GAME OVER!!

[LimMePls]

@Xscorpion: We lynch Furc and he flips town (not out of the realm of possibility, Furc has shown that he CAN in fact be just that bad). Where do we go from there?

[ThAdmiral]

Chill out xscorp.

[bvoigt]

Hi. I'm still here, but have nothing really noteworthy to say.

[XScorpion]

@Xscorpion: We lynch Furc and he flips town (not out of the realm of possibility, Furc has shown that he CAN in fact be just that bad). Where do we go from there?

We go to lose the game because that means we must have had the worst town I've ever seen. I refuse to accept that our town sucks THAT much.

[Sotty7]

Day 3, vote count 7

smargaret - 1 -

Beasts of the Sea

DavidParker - 2 -

EGL, Scott Brosius

Furcolow - 3 -

XScorpion, The Fonz, Sathoris

Scott Brosius - 1 -

DavidParker

Stephoscope - 1 -

smargaret

bvoigt - 1 -

Stephoscope

gonnano - 4 -

bvoigt, Lowell, ThAdmiral, LynchMePls,

The Fonz- 1 -

Furcolow,

Not voting - 2 -

gonnano, Feysal

• With
  16
  players alive, it takes
  9
  to lynch.
  
• Deadline for the end of day three is Monday April 4th @2PM CST

[ThAdmiral]

Feysal for gods sake vote for someone.

[Scott Brosius]

These votes spread out are not helping. We need wagons or else this game is going to continue to stall.

Vote: gonnano

[Stephoscope]

Per ThAdmiral's suggested plan.

Unvote
Vote: gonnano

[Furcolow]

vote: gonnano

i'm town xscorp, you've been tunneling for 3 weeks.

[Furcolow]

I also want to add in I want to go down ThAdmiral's list

[smargaret]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gonnano

L-1. This game is stagnating.

[gonnano]

Out of the people are being voted right now, smarg is the only one who really makes sense to me as scum, with bvoigt a secondary possibility purely because of the connection with smarg. The claim of someone who won the Nobel Peace Prize made me hesitate, but in the end it isn't enough for me.
VOTE: Smarg

I'm still not sure why exactly people are voting me, but since asking for reasons apparently makes me scum, I won't bother.

PR EDIT:

I am Janos Kadar, Hungarian Watcher

[Beasts of the Sea]

I am Janos Kadar, Hungarian Watcher

Results?

[ThAdmiral]

Yeah if you claim and information role you MUST give results and reasons why you chose those people.

[smargaret]

UNVOTE: until gonanno gives his results.

[Sotty7]

PeregrineV

replaces DavidParker. Thanks!

Vote count coming up

[Sotty7]

Day 3, vote count 8

smargaret - 2 -

Beasts of the Sea, gonnano,

PeregrineV - 1 -

EGL

Furcolow - 3 -

XScorpion, The Fonz, Sathoris

Scott Brosius - 1 -

PeregrineV

gonnano - 7 -

bvoigt, Lowell, ThAdmiral, LynchMePls, Scott Brosius, Stephoscope, Furcolow,

Not voting - 2 -

Feysal, smargaret

• With
  16
  players alive, it takes
  9
  to lynch.
  
• Deadline for the end of day three is Monday April 4th @2PM CST

[The Fonz]

Yeah if you claim and information role you MUST give results and reasons why you chose those people.

The problem with claiming watcher results is that, if you see someone visit your target, and the target didn't die, chances are those players are town power roles, and claiming results will out them. Regardless, there's no reason not to at the very least list the players watched and how many visited them each night.

I have to say, I am very skeptical of this claim. For starters, the way he claimed- not only did he not give results, he didn't give flavor justification. Now I know, OGM, and I could certainly see the rolename as town or scum, but I have a real hard time seeing Kadar as a power role. Kadar was the Hungarian dictator put in place by the Soviets after they crushed the Nagy-led Hungarian Revolution in the 50s, and he basically stayed in power by keeping his head down, introducing some mild liberalizing reforms but not rocking the boat too much.

[gonnano]

I know that I didn't claim in perhaps the best way, but I was on my way out as I was posting, saw the L-1, and quickly decided to claim to prevent myself from being mislynched.

Anyway, here's the rest.

I have very little flavor -- I watch over my people, win when threats to the peace are gone.

N1 - I targeted Artem because at the time he seemed like one of the most townie players to me, and I thought he would make a likely mafia NK. No one showed up that night.

N2 - I targeted Furcolow, because I was convinced that he was ripe for vigging. I debated between picking Furc and trying to pick someone who would draw a mafia NK (catching mafia would obviously be better than catching a vig), but no one stood out to me so much that I could justify giving up what I thought of as an almost certain way to get some information. Much to my surprise, Furcolow was not visited that night.

[bvoigt]

Not sure what to think of gonnano's claim. I'm still happy with my vote.

[Scott Brosius]

You targeted Furc to find a town vig?

[Furcolow]

this wagon has had the amount of opposition I would expect from the 3 man team if Fonz is Gonnano's ally and is distancing
I'm going to keep my vote here, and hope that the 3 man team gets knocked down to 2 here and the Fonz is outted associatively through not wanting to place his vote on Gonnano even if he doesn't really believe the claim in his #1792

If I move my vote to Smarg, or try to start a wagon on EGL who I feel are part of the other team, I might move my vote back to Gonnano though depending on how he answers questioning over his N2 watch, because it is better to focus on one scum at a time instead of trying to vainly handpick teams for us as a town.

I did pick up my game near the end of that period, before VPB died, as I was reinvigorated by the people replacing in. If Gonnano reiterates this point in his own words I will probably back off of him. Let's see if he's scum skimming.

It's of note that Fonz is taking over the town and pushing them against me/protecting Gonnano, though so I could argue both sides of the coin.

I would also be happy with a wagon on him, as he has been scumandeering

I'm not SURE of them, so I'd be willing to lynch from what I feel is the other team. What I mean to say is I'll settle for scum-EGL who is associatively scum with smarg who I'm going to vote if a wagon advances.

[ThAdmiral]

I am always suspicious when people claim information roles and then because they have been unlucky aren't able to provide any information to the town. In any case there is also reason why a scum would have chosen those targets - artem to find the doc, furc to find the vig.

I'm going to keep my vote where it is.

[smargaret]

Furc's most recent is badposting. You can't go after someone based on associative tells with a living player. Also, that post doesn't actually contain a single position.

Gonnano's claim is also bad, for the reasons ThAd pointed out. I'm happy with a gonnano lynch at this point.

VOTE: Gonnano

[Beasts of the Sea]

What is the town benefit to you knowing who the vig is? What made you change your philosophy in looking for scum to looking for a vig?

UNVOTE:

I'm having second thoughts about the PI wagon -- it's taken off a little too quickly for my tastes. I still think PI seems scummy, but in the past my scum reads have been pretty terrible, so I'm going to play this one by the numbers.

Furcolow is steadily becoming more and more scummy to me: the "meta" appraisal of PI, the whole RQS deal... and this.

I am going to put my vote on the first alphabetically to have not posted.

What?! It's WAY too early in the game to say who's a lurker and who just had a busy couple of days IRL. You're just trying to substitute a policy vote for actual scumhunting.

Scum post: 1. unvotes (inexplicably); 2. smears Furcolow; and 3. doesn't vote Furcolow?! . If PI is still scummy, but Furculow is rising, why not vote him? I don't like the unvote for obvious reasons, as PI isn't really in danger of being lynched soonish, so why the bail? Possible PI scum buddy here.

gonnano

- what do you think of Artem?

I'll have to go back and look to be sure of the context (I can't remember the details off the top of my head), but I'm pretty sure I was asking gonnano his opinions on Artem because I think he was pushing something on someone where Artem was displaying the same behavior and not pushing on him. Now with Artem's flip, and if my memory serves me well, it is likely that it was distancing.

This is my intent to hammer and will do so tonight once I reread that portion of the game today.